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I think its high time GW brought out heresy range and tbh I cant really see a dwonside for them or for us. Anyone have any idea as to how we could convince the powers that be that this is not only awesome to us as fans but to them as a company? Me and my friends would be extatic and im sure youll agree it would be a huge money maker.

They could make new rule books and codexes as well as new heroes (Loken, Garro, and Bulveye to name but a few) and of course the holy grail official GW primarch models!!!

So I guess im trying to start some sort of petition/ brainstorming session as to how we can make my/our geeky dream come true.

GW doesn't care about what you want or think.

Maybe not me but im sure they care about what consumers in general think, and im sure thered be alooooot of people who want primarch models and heroes. And WOW you sound like a nice guy.

I understand why it would be appealing to some to have a Heresy range, but such a range would divide the Warhammer players even further than the current Fantasy vs. 40k.

Additionally, such a range would only further the Power Armor vs. Power Armor "problem" that we have right now.

I wouldn't mind a Macharian Crusade campaign setting, but the current FW Badab War is as close as you'll get to Warhammer 30k for the time being.

the rout wrote:Maybe not me but im sure they care about what consumers in general think,

They really, truly don't.

and im sure thered be alooooot of people who want primarch models and heroes.

Yep... There are also a few companies that make models that look suspiciously like the primarchs... but that aside, GW still doesn't care.

And WOW you sound like a nice guy.

Your sarcasm is appreciated.

By the way, Fafnir, I just went to the main Dakka boards and coincidentally found a message meant for you:

Some people just have no sense of humour these days.

Nah, the coincidence was too amusing to pass up.
I admire your painting ability too much to ever truly hate on you.

GW has more or less said they won't do that until they truly, really need to. Think of it as their "get out of jail free card" for if things go really bad with their company.

GW is missing out on some serious revenue here thoug. they could make about £30 from each rule book and around £15 for each codex and around £30 for each primarch from each customer not to mention all the other stuff. Theyd make millions for quite little effort on their part.

Oh and its always nice to be appreciated....

As I've said before in this thread, GW doesn't care what you or anyone else wants.

I'm going to assume that you're new to wargaming, or at least to GW.

So let me give you the GW 101:

Games Workshop is a company who's heads are so far up their own asses that they couldn't tell a good business oppurtunity if it were to bend them over and feth them until they were red and scabby.
They don't care about their veteran fanbase, and they don't care much about advertising themselves to newer consumers either.
Their answer to a loss of money is not to try a new marketing campaign or business model, but to raise prices and continue with a business model that was ancient 10 years ago.

In short, GW is a trainwreck of a company and they don't want to know it.

Agreed, it would make financial sense to make 30K and the cross over between 30k and 40k would make the models cross platform.

They could always do an early version of WHFB? Sigmar's Rise to Power?

Im not new to gw or war gaming but i do get that they are quite dense when it comes to what the fans want. the prices are getting out of hand now though and i think they might die as a company if they dont improve, their pricing themselves out of the market and the new in shop rules arent winning them any fans either.

still an awesome idea though regardless of their willingness to do it

the rout wrote:Im not new to gw or war gaming but i do get that they are quite dense when it comes to what the fans want. the prices are getting out of hand now though and i think they might die as a company if they dont improve, their pricing themselves out of the market and the new in shop rules arent winning them any fans either.

still an awesome idea though regardless of their willingness to do it

dense? no. insanely stupid yes. they'll NEVER improve so they are doomed to die. plain and simple NEVER expect GW to make warhammer 30k, forge world MIGHT do it if GW ever lets them but they won't because they see the great crusade and the horus heresy as a MINOR fan base of which they'll never make money off of.... which proves their idiocy

well forgeworld put out the old pattern power armor. I think pre heresy models would be cool to have it wouldn't need a new game to do it.

Doing a pre heresy range is blowing their one ace in the hole. When the company is in a financial dump, they release a 30k range, and roll with it until they can think of something better.

Man I hope they take a financial dump so I can play Warhammer 30K and campaign scenarios from the Horus Heresy books I was a devout Ork player before those books, now all I can think about is Pre Heresy when it comes to 40K.

They have enough trouble releasing everything for 40K and Fantasy with any sort of speed. How is adding another line of 40K going to help the situation?

Here you go:

http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/92584/review-of-horus-heresy-ccg

Didn't yakface propose this exact thing a month or two ago?

Fafnir wrote:Some people just have no sense of humour these days.

Yeah, that's what people like you always say when called up on being dicks. "Why so serious?" Well, to hell with you.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Fafnir wrote:Some people just have no sense of humour these days.

Yeah, that's what people like you always say when called up on being dicks. "Why so serious?" Well, to hell with you.

See what I mean? No one appreciates a deadpan delivery anymore.

I'm with Aga on this. "Hay I was joking" is always the defense for unwarranted jerkness. If everyone is consistently "not getting" your "humor", the problem might not be everyone else.

On topic, ugh, I am not fond of the idea of WH30K. It'd be, presumable, like all marines? And the chaos marines wouldn't even be all chao-sy in look and feel yet, right? Why not just call it Warspace Marines 30,000 Space Marines.

There are, what, 13 factions in 40k? Maybe instead of adding even more space marines, they should try fluffing out some of the rest of the rich universe they own, instead of reinforcing the 70% space marines \ 30% tyranids+necrons+chaos+tau+eldar+darkeldar+orks+otherimperium paradigm.

GW can't keep on top of the 4 games they make (never mind the other 8 games that they only pretend to make )

I don't want them to do more games unless and until they can support all the games they have now [/rant]

I don't understand all the pre-heresy hype. The galaxy was a much more safe place, without major chaos incursions and no Hive Fleets running amok.

augustus5 wrote:I don't understand all the pre-heresy hype. The galaxy was a much more safe place, without major chaos incursions and no Hive Fleets running amok.

not really, orks were alot more prevalent. think how bad ghazghkull is and then imagine that as your basic warlord back then

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

augustus5 wrote:I don't understand all the pre-heresy hype. The galaxy was a much more safe place, without major chaos incursions and no Hive Fleets running amok.

not really, orks were alot more prevalent. think how bad ghazghkull is and then imagine that as your basic warlord back then

I disagree. In the heresy books the galaxy is becoming so secure that the space marines began fearing there was no future for them in the imperium. That was one of the ways that the forces of chaos won over some of the primarchs.

It still baffles how in the 80s and 90s they were able to have :
Warhammer
Warhammer 40k
Necromunda
Gorkamorka
Mordheim
Talisman
Warhammer Quest
Space Hulk
Warmaster
Epic 40k

Sell them, sell mostly metal miniatures, support said games relatively well AND make profits. Whereas now where a £20 sprue costs them £2 to make they are failing... it baffles.

Phototoxin wrote:It still baffles how in the 80s and 90s they were able to have :
Warhammer
Warhammer 40k
Necromunda
Gorkamorka
Mordheim
Talisman
Warhammer Quest
Space Hulk
Warmaster
Epic 40k

Sell them, sell mostly metal miniatures, support said games relatively well AND make profits. Whereas now where a £20 sprue costs them £2 to make they are failing... it baffles.

Your not alone in your bafflement...I often wonder what exactly happened at "GW central control", becuase IMO something has indeed gone very wrong.

FITZZ wrote:

Phototoxin wrote:It still baffles how in the 80s and 90s they were able to have :
Warhammer
Warhammer 40k
Necromunda
Gorkamorka
Mordheim
Talisman
Warhammer Quest
Space Hulk
Warmaster
Epic 40k

Sell them, sell mostly metal miniatures, support said games relatively well AND make profits. Whereas now where a £20 sprue costs them £2 to make they are failing... it baffles.

Your not alone in your bafflement...I often wonder what exactly happened at "GW central control", becuase IMO something has indeed gone very wrong.

How common were releases for these games, in a non-nolgastic metric? I myself have only been into 40k for a few years, so I can't say, but were there frequent releases for stuff like Mordheim and Gorkamorka?

It's also worth pointing out at least some of the games still ARE current: Talisman, Space Hulk and they even added Death Angel recently. Obviously they decided it was cheaper\more lucrative to license it out to a dedicated board\cardgame producer, but they own the IP and it's seeing new releases - hardly not kept up with.