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Please tell me this is wrong.....

Slarg232 wrote:

Found here:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1140004&prodId=prod1140066a




Please tell me this is wrong.....

Nope then again mankind as been using these things forever and a day for digital weapons.

Nope, its real, and glorious. All hail goofyhammer, I for one am very glad grimderp is dead.

Wow, Warhammer is quickly falling from Halo Over the Top to Devil May Cry Over the Top......


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trewbarton wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

Found here:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1140004&prodId=prod1140066a




Please tell me this is wrong.....

Nope then again mankind as been using these things forever and a day for digital weapons.

Could you link me to a source? Because honestly, I do not beleive that all this time "WE DO NOT CONSORT WITH XENOS!" Has been in effect while they have things making weapons for them....

The Emperor has been consorting with the C'Tan for what like the last 20,000 years or so.

NecronLord3 wrote:The Emperor has been consorting with the C'Tan for what like the last 20,000 years or so.

Thats different; the Emperor whooped up on the Void Dragon first, and the Emperor also has a totally different understanding of the 'Verse than the rest of Humanity does.

Slarg232 wrote:Wow, Warhammer is quickly falling from Halo Over the Top to Devil May Cry Over the Top......


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trewbarton wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

Found here:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1140004&prodId=prod1140066a




Please tell me this is wrong.....

Nope then again mankind as been using these things forever and a day for digital weapons.

Could you link me to a source? Because honestly, I do not beleive that all this time "WE DO NOT CONSORT WITH XENOS!" Has been in effect while they have things making weapons for them....

Its mentioned in Rouge Trader and the necron codex.

NecronLord3 wrote:The Emperor has been consorting with the C'Tan for what like the last 20,000 years or so.

Partly true.

He kicked the Void Dragon's arse, entombed it on Mars, and now the AdMech worship it as the Omnissia.

The Emperor may or may not have spared the Void Dragon's life so that it would end up founding the Mechanicus, which the Emperor needed for his Great Crusade.

The senior leadership of the Mechanicus, or certain elements within the Mechanicus, may know of the Void Dragon, and possibly be fully aware of its nature.

Well there are demon hosts in the GK book. I remember someone telling me in the old book there was some hard restriction on using them, now, none.

juraigamer wrote:Well there are demon hosts in the GK book. I remember someone telling me in the old book there was some hard restriction on using them, now, none.

In Deamonhunters if you take a Deamonhost, you can't take any GK what so every.

trewbarton wrote:
Nope then again mankind as been using these things forever and a day for digital weapons.

No, they haven't. There's never been any real way to keep Jokaero in captivity.

The digital weapons that were of Jokaero manufacture were recovered from bodies by the Deathwatch or Ordo Xenos Inquisitorial teams.

Yes but that Codex no longer exists.

To me the Imperium has and anti-mutant, demon, xenos attitude almost to a fault. But if any of those can be taken advantage of, or used as a weapon, then all the better. But Xenos, Mutants, and Demons(of course) will never be treated as equals.

Just a quick side note, the Jokaero Weaponsmith was mentioned in Rogue Trader. Why is everybody raging about it now all of a sudden?

Kanluwen wrote:

trewbarton wrote:
Nope then again mankind as been using these things forever and a day for digital weapons.

No, they haven't. There's never been any real way to keep Jokaero in captivity.

The digital weapons that were of Jokaero manufacture were recovered from bodies by the Deathwatch or Ordo Xenos Inquisitorial teams.

No argument there the build a way out of any predicament I merely meant that mankind has been trying to use their technology for a very long time.

Justus wrote:Just a quick side note, the Jokaero Weaponsmith was mentioned in Rogue Trader. Why is everybody raging about it now all of a sudden?

Because the Jokaero have been shoehorned into the Grey Knights codex, instead of the Tau or an Ordo Xenos themed book.

Kanluwen wrote:

Justus wrote:Just a quick side note, the Jokaero Weaponsmith was mentioned in Rogue Trader. Why is everybody raging about it now all of a sudden?

Because the Jokaero have been shoehorned into the Grey Knights codex, instead of the Tau or an Ordo Xenos themed book.

GW has made it pretty clear they are not planning on one and Tau use their own tech.....

trewbarton wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Justus wrote:Just a quick side note, the Jokaero Weaponsmith was mentioned in Rogue Trader. Why is everybody raging about it now all of a sudden?

Because the Jokaero have been shoehorned into the Grey Knights codex, instead of the Tau or an Ordo Xenos themed book.

GW has made it pretty clear they are not planning on one and Tau use their own tech.....

For now. GW has shown a willingness lately to cross models from army to army. Harlequinns for example. I could easily see the Jokero being a new xenos unit for the Tau.

trewbarton wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Justus wrote:Just a quick side note, the Jokaero Weaponsmith was mentioned in Rogue Trader. Why is everybody raging about it now all of a sudden?

Because the Jokaero have been shoehorned into the Grey Knights codex, instead of the Tau or an Ordo Xenos themed book.

GW has made it pretty clear they are not planning on one and Tau use their own tech.....

GW has made nothing clear about the Ordo Xenos. The driving force behind the "<insert noun here>Hunter" armies left GW not long after the completion of the Witchhunters book.

Now, however, we have the Deathwatch RPG--which has given the Ordo Xenos a huge shot in the arm in terms of background rejuvenation and interest. To say they're "pretty clear they are not planning on one" is absurd.

By the by? Tau don't "use their own tech". The ion weaponry they use was gifted to them from the Demiurg, the fully revamped race that is loosely based upon the Dwarven archetype.

Justus wrote:Just a quick side note, the Jokaero Weaponsmith was mentioned in Rogue Trader. Why is everybody raging about it now all of a sudden?

As said earlier: All the old fluff on the jokero is that they never communicate with humans and any that are captured and "forced" to make weapons, etc for anyone(Mostly ordo Xenos/any inquisitors) have taken the materials given to them(to make tech for the captors) and used those materials to escape instead.

Now they seem to suddenly, and without explanation, stick around and help the Imperium fight.

Harlequins back in the day were known to have worked with the Inquisition! Unless I am just realllly old, or the new GK fans younger than I thought, is the fictional fact that an Inquisitor was even allowed to study at the Black Library unknown? Maybe erased from canon by the real GW Inquisition and GW Black Library - but I thought that was commonly known.

Kanluwen wrote:

trewbarton wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Justus wrote:Just a quick side note, the Jokaero Weaponsmith was mentioned in Rogue Trader. Why is everybody raging about it now all of a sudden?

Because the Jokaero have been shoehorned into the Grey Knights codex, instead of the Tau or an Ordo Xenos themed book.

GW has made it pretty clear they are not planning on one and Tau use their own tech.....

GW has made nothing clear about the Ordo Xenos. The driving force behind the "<insert noun here>Hunter" armies left GW not long after the completion of the Witchhunters book.

Now, however, we have the Deathwatch RPG--which has given the Ordo Xenos a huge shot in the arm in terms of background rejuvenation and interest. To say they're "pretty clear they are not planning on one" is absurd.

By the by? Tau don't "use their own tech". The ion weaponry they use was gifted to them from the Demiurg, the fully revamped race that is loosely based upon the Dwarven archetype.

Points granted however
1. I'm not remotely acquainted with the finer details of the tau.
2. it may reignight interest however both DH and WH are old codexs and the new GK codex replaces DH. So logically SOB will replace WH and perhaps *cross fingers* deathwatch will complete the set .
3. I never said they were forced I simply stated precedent

however Jokaero are mentioned repeatedly as being a huge source of digital weaponry for the imperium.

So much for the oh-so-puritan GKs of yore.

Doctor Optimal wrote:So much for the oh-so-puritan GKs of yore.

Spoiler:

Symbolic of the fall of GW from gaming company to publicly held company, really.

I know I miss holocaust not because it was useful.... but it went boom for the boom god

Guitardian wrote:Harlequins back in the day were known to have worked with the Inquisition! Unless I am just realllly old, or the new GK fans younger than I thought, is the fictional fact that an Inquisitor was even allowed to study at the Black Library unknown? Maybe erased from canon by the real GW Inquisition and GW Black Library - but I thought that was commonly known.

It's not been retconned, at all. It played a big part in the 13th Black Crusade(The Thousand Sons were trying to capture Czevak to plunder the Black Library, for example).

Hell there's even a new novel about Inquisitor Czevak coming out soon by Rob Sanders. There's also another story in the BL Live! Chapbook called 'Atlas Infernal' prequeling it.

Kanluwen wrote:Now, however, we have the Deathwatch RPG--which has given the Ordo Xenos a huge shot in the arm in terms of background rejuvenation and interest. To say they're "pretty clear they are not planning on one" is absurd.

It's been said by studio members in the past that the Deathwatch weren't as suitable for full army treatment. And now with the Grey Knights codex covering the Inquisition as a whole rather than just the Ordo Malleus, it's really not that absurd an assumption.

I stand by my earlier prediction that the next Sisters codex will put them firmly back in Ecclesiarchy territory, rather than being another Inquisition book. And Deathwatch, if they make it back into the game, will (I would guess) appear simply as an Elite unit in a future Marine or Guard codex.


As for the Jokaero, as has been mentioned, the Imperium has never been against using aliens for their own ends where appropriate. Personally, I'm rather chuffed to see a cool part of the game's history make it back onto the table.

Yes, it's a little bit silly. But no more so than most of the 40K fluff. It's supposed to be over the top and silly.

Doctor Optimal wrote:So much for the oh-so-puritan GKs of yore.

Spoiler:

Symbolic of the fall of GW from gaming company to publicly held company, really.

I'm pretty sure that the Inquisition can bring whatever they want and do what ever they want and they only answer to the higher orders of the Inquisition. I guess you could say they bring it... like a BOSS.

NecronLord3 wrote:

Doctor Optimal wrote:So much for the oh-so-puritan GKs of yore.

Spoiler:

Symbolic of the fall of GW from gaming company to publicly held company, really.

I'm pretty sure that the Inquisition can bring whatever they want and do what ever they want and they only answer to the higher orders of the Inquisition. I guess you could say they bring it... like a BOSS.

Just like Radical =I='s used to have daemonhosts... And a huge target on their backs from puritan =I=s (and Grey Knights) if they were caught at it.

The old Daemonhunters Codex imposed choices on the player (however mild those choices were), this new one is just Codex: Magic Marines.

In my mind the old Inquisition codexes were very much a product of the expected success of the Inquisitor 54mm RPG. When that didn't happen they no longer had to have anything like a narrative in the next codex, just "OOOOH SHINY!".

Of *course* the GKs take to the field with monkeys (which previously *never* hung around any longer than they could), of *course* they have a daemonweapon!

insaniak wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Now, however, we have the Deathwatch RPG--which has given the Ordo Xenos a huge shot in the arm in terms of background rejuvenation and interest. To say they're "pretty clear they are not planning on one" is absurd.

It's been said by studio members in the past that the Deathwatch weren't as suitable for full army treatment. And now with the Grey Knights codex covering the Inquisition as a whole rather than just the Ordo Malleus, it's really not that absurd an assumption.

It was said by studio members when the Deathwatch hadn't really been fleshed out. They're getting that fleshing out right now.

I stand by my earlier prediction that the next Sisters codex will put them firmly back in Ecclesiarchy territory, rather than being another Inquisition book. And Deathwatch, if they make it back into the game, will (I would guess) appear simply as an Elite unit in a future Marine or Guard codex.

I've said that before they should be doing that treatment for Deathwatch, Grey Knights, and Inquisitors.

As for the Jokaero, as has been mentioned, the Imperium has never been against using aliens for their own ends where appropriate. Personally, I'm rather chuffed to see a cool part of the game's history make it back onto the table.
Yes, it's a little bit silly. But no more so than most of the 40K fluff. It's supposed to be over the top and silly.

There's no real problem with the Jokaero being brought in. It's the way they're being introduced. They just don't really "fit" in the Grey Knights book, even with this halfcocked "Inquisitor of Every Stripe" bit in there.

Justus wrote:Just a quick side note, the Jokaero Weaponsmith was mentioned in Rogue Trader. Why is everybody raging about it now all of a sudden?

Because it's the first mention of it at all since I have started playing.


All I know is, there is some serious bull going on with all the latest fluff, and it's killing the game for me because all of the SPEHSS MAHREENS! are becoming less like Master Cheif and more like Dante.

Slarg232 wrote:Because it's the first mention of it at all since I have started playing.

For what it's worth, the Daemon Hunter and Witch Hunter codexes both refer to the Jokaero in their digital weapons entries. Not specifically by name, but the 'hint' is there.