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Im sure there has been a post on this before, but why does it seem in this day and age people just let their kids walk all over them...

Example:

On my lunch break I went to a little place a block or so from my office. Sat down, was having a nice meal when suddenly screaming!!! I was like seriously what the hell. Turns out two kids, probably not more then 6-7 years old were playing tag in the restaurant. Whats more is the parents were just sitting there ignoring them completely. I thought about saying something, but didnt.

When their food arrived the kids sat down and ate, then one of them "demanded" ice cream from the mother. I figured this would be funny since if I demanded something from my parents I got smacked. So the mom calmly says no. Suddenly the child starts screaming ICE CREAM ICE CREAM ICE CREAM over and over. Im sure you can guess what the mom did, she ordered the little gak some ice cream. Again I know if I tried that on my parents when I was a kid I would have gotten an escort out of the restaurant to the car, gotten the mother of all spankings, then escorted back inside once I stopped crying...

Are parents just that badly whipped now? This is literally starting to become the norm, parents who dont even try to control their children in public places. Im guessing its just that parents are afraid to discipline their children?

Im only 25 so im no expert, but I was raised WAY different, and when me and the wife have kids they will be raised different also...

ShivanAngel wrote:Im sure there has been a post on this before, but why does it seem in this day and age people just let their kids walk all over them...

Example:

On my lunch break I went to a little place a block or so from my office. Sat down, was having a nice meal when suddenly screaming!!! I was like seriously what the hell. Turns out two kids, probably not more then 6-7 years old were playing tag in the restaurant. Whats more is the parents were just sitting there ignoring them completely. I thought about saying something, but didnt.

When their food arrived the kids sat down and ate, then one of them "demanded" ice cream from the mother. I figured this would be funny since if I demanded something from my parents I got smacked. So the mom calmly says no. Suddenly the child starts screaming ICE CREAM ICE CREAM ICE CREAM over and over. Im sure you can guess what the mom did, she ordered the little gak some ice cream. Again I know if I tried that on my parents when I was a kid I would have gotten an escort out of the restaurant to the car, gotten the mother of all spankings, then escorted back inside once I stopped crying...

Are parents just that badly whipped now? This is literally starting to become the norm, parents who dont even try to control their children in public places. Im guessing its just that parents are afraid to discipline their children?

Im only 25 so im no expert, but I was raised WAY different, and when me and the wife have kids they will be raised different also...

Now visualize being a parent, taking the kid outside and being arrested by police for battery because others called the police on you for spanking them?
Now visualize being the cop having to show up, thinking "that moms needs to beat the out of that kid the little er," and having to arrest them?

yah thats some bs tbh... A swat on the behind is considered battery now?

When the took paddling away it all went down hill.

Plus the mom that bought the ice cream, guess what? She just reinforced the bad behavior with positive reinforcement. If I kid screams for a toy at Wal-Mart and you buy the toy to shut him up, then you pretty much told him it is ok to scream to get what he wants.

Well the world is run by a bunch of lefties who prize political correctness and paperwork against common sense and morality.

A town council over here in England turned down the chance to have an automatic defibrillator machine to be kept in the town hall - which could save a life - in case someone sued them if it was used improperly.

Miraclefish wrote:Well the world is run by a bunch of lefties who prize political correctness and paperwork against common sense and morality.

A town council over here in England turned down the chance to have an automatic defibrillator machine to be kept in the town hall - which could save a life - in case someone sued them if it was used improperly.

We have one here. I don't want anyone touching me with that here and have told them that. better to wait the extra minute for experts versus incompetents.


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in some parts. Its getting so you can't rabbit punch your kid for back talking you.

I know I'm going to sound like a "grumpy old man" saying this,and I know many may also say "things have always been this way and I'm just now aware of it"...but..

I Agree,there does indeed seem to be a lot more disrespectful kids running about ,not simply disrespectful to their parents ( or parent),but to everyone ...

A trip to the Mall/Wall-Mart..etc will often ave me shaking my head as I see young children talking back to their parents,running around knocking into people and merchandise,throwing tantrums when they are told they can't have something they want and so on...

I know if I'd behaved in this manner as a child...I'd have gotten knocked out (same for most kids I knew growing up)...and I really can't recall the same amount of "out of control" children when I was growing up....of course "discipline" wasn't "frowned upon" then.

I'm left to conclude that to many parents simply can't be bothered to parent...or are to worried about being "friends" with their kids...rather than being parents to them...

My own children (who are by no means saints) will often stare in amazement at children from their peer groups who are behaving badly and ask me "what's wrong with them?" or "Why their Mother won't saying anything to them?"...I wish I had an answer for my kids...but...I don't.

Frazzled wrote:We have one here. I don't want anyone touching me with that here and have told them that. better to wait the extra minute for experts versus incompetents.

They're automatic. The machine won't shock unless it's absolutely right to do so, they're idiot proof.

Miraclefish wrote:

Frazzled wrote:We have one here. I don't want anyone touching me with that here and have told them that. better to wait the extra minute for experts versus incompetents.

They're automatic. The machine won't shock unless it's absolutely right to do so, they're idiot proof.

I know, I've been trained on it. The people I work with can test that theory.

Frazzled wrote:

Miraclefish wrote:Well the world is run by a bunch of lefties who prize political correctness and paperwork against common sense and morality.

A town council over here in England turned down the chance to have an automatic defibrillator machine to be kept in the town hall - which could save a life - in case someone sued them if it was used improperly.

We have one here. I don't want anyone touching me with that here and have told them that. better to wait the extra minute for experts versus incompetents.

Yeah. You can do a lot of damage with a defibrillator. People should carry their own if they are so keen on being defibrillated. No more namby-pamby socialist health care.

Yeah kids are bad. But that's nothing new. I watch a lot of rifftrax and MST3k and they have these old PSA about bad kids. gangster beatnics hoods. It's all the same. The answer is not hitting children but teaching them how to behave. But is'a just easy to say "They took prayer out of school" and "I can't hit my kid." Rather than "I'm a bad parent who relies on the school system and grandparents to raise my kid while I play Farmville." It's not that people don't hit their children (God knows they do) it's that they don't bother to teach them, or even explain why they are being beaten.

"You just wait till your father gets home."

The most dreaded sentence my mother could utter, seriously we would beg for forgiveness if she ever said that line.

As MiracleFish noted,most DeFib units are idiot proof these days.
We had two at the Psych Center I worked at and every employee there had a min.8 hour training seminar on their use/application...I personally never had to use one on any one,but fely that if the situation arose I would be able to do so.

....Speaking of positive applications of electricity ...Cattle prods for out of control kids...?..?...just an idea..

Ma55ter_fett wrote:"You just wait till your father gets home."

The most dreaded sentence my mother could utter, seriously we would beg for forgiveness if she ever said that line.

Yeah that sentence was DEATH.

There were three things that were completely terrifying for me..

1. I knew I had misbehaved at school and my dads care was in the driveway when I got off the bus.

2. the "wait till your father gets home"

3. "your father had to leave work early because you couldnt behave"

Number three meant I might as well start writing my will...

My mother was no slouch about hitting me over the head if I misbehaved. The one time I threw a tantrum over a toy I wanted, she grabbed me and dragged me kicking and screaming out of the store. I wish more parents did that nowadays....one of my uncles is that kind of 'let the kids do whatever' parents, and...yeah...I hate visting their house. Let's just leave it at that.

ChrisWWII wrote:My mother was no slouch about hitting me over the head if I misbehaved. The one time I threw a tantrum over a toy I wanted, she grabbed me and dragged me kicking and screaming out of the store. I wish more parents did that nowadays....one of my uncles is that kind of 'let the kids do whatever' parents, and...yeah...I hate visting their house. Let's just leave it at that.

I didnt get drug out of the store kicking and screaming.... My dad smacked me across the behind right in the toy department.

Ma55ter_fett wrote:"You just wait till your father gets home."

The most dreaded sentence my mother could utter, seriously we would beg for forgiveness if she ever said that line.

Well as Dad managed to get home once ot twice a month it never really phased me.

If beating children did any good people wouldn't have to do it.

Really, I never acted like that in public. At least, not that I remember. I think there was something wrong with those kids, to be running around everywhere.

Yeah that sentence was DEATH.

There were three things that were completely terrifying for me..

1. I knew I had misbehaved at school and my dads care was in the driveway when I got off the bus.
***Translation: The executioner hath come!

2. the "wait till your father gets home"
***Don’t make me outsource your beat down to an expert consultant!

3. "your father had to leave work early because you couldn’t behave"
***Your father had to come home early for your beating. Leaving early would normally make him happy but instead he’s mad, really mad. If you can convince him leaving early was good and he should go enjoy it playing golf or whatever WIN, if however this just annoys him even more FAIL*2.

Number three meant I might as well start writing my will...

Children are a blank slate when born. They have drives but no social skills.

They learn clues about correct social behaviour from their parents and other close relatives.

who spanks their kids in public?

you do that type of thing at home

spanking was the LEAST of my worries

I had to worry about kneeling in seasalt for an hour with books balanced on my head and hand

no joke

ChrisWWII wrote:My mother was no slouch about hitting me over the head if I misbehaved. The one time I threw a tantrum over a toy I wanted, she grabbed me and dragged me kicking and screaming out of the store. I wish more parents did that nowadays....one of my uncles is that kind of 'let the kids do whatever' parents, and...yeah...I hate visting their house. Let's just leave it at that.

We had to do that with GC on multiple occasions (hence the name Genghis Con). She would have snot slingers and writhe like a snake in your hands so I would end up holding her above my head as we walked out. After a certain point it was actually really really funny as she so got into it. It was an Oscar winning perofrmance and she even had people clapping once.

sexiest_hero wrote:Yeah kids are bad. But that's nothing new. I watch a lot of rifftrax and MST3k and they have these old PSA about bad kids. gangster beatnics hoods. It's all the same. The answer is not hitting children but teaching them how to behave. But is'a just easy to say "They took prayer out of school" and "I can't hit my kid." Rather than "I'm a bad parent who relies on the school system and grandparents to raise my kid while I play Farmville." It's not that people don't hit their children (God knows they do) it's that they don't bother to teach them, or even explain why they are being beaten.

I partly agree with you here Hero....yes,there have always been "bad" kids...hell I was a "bad" kid myself,but the amount and the nature of the disrespect (particularly among young children 4-12) has definatley seemed to increase,very rarely as a child myself did I see another kid tell their Mother to @%*! off!!...and if I did that kid got slapped...I see it all the time now.

I do agree that many parents aren't taking resposibility for raising their kids and really taking the time to sit them down and teach them right from wrong,but disagree that a good swat on their backside doesn't help bring them back in line if they "forget" what you've taken the time to teach them.

As for prayer in school...meh...I went to public school in the 70's and 80's...we didn't have it...and we still knew better than to act like a bunch of little savages.

....Speaking of positive applications of electricity ...Cattle prods for out of control kids...?..?...just an idea..

SHOCK COLLAR!

If beating children did any good people wouldn't have to do it.

They don't, not after the first time, and maybe a reminder here and there!

"Hey how come don't you ever have dandruff?"
"I don't know" Slyly hides bottle of head and shoulders.

These are all reasons why I handcuff and lock my 7yo son in the basement without light. (you know, so he can sleep)

....makes you realise why some creatures in the animal kindom EAT their young.

ShivanAngel wrote:yah thats some bs tbh... A swat on the behind is considered battery now?

Hitting someone is in fact the very definition of battery.

Honestly if the best way you can think of to deal with any situation is to restrain and hit a child... you need better ways to deal with that situation.

Miraclefish wrote:Well the world is run by a bunch of lefties who prize political correctness and paperwork against common sense and morality.

Here we go again...

I'm politically left wing and I believe a child should be smacked if it misbehaves enough to warrant it (ie if it annoys me).

Also, I would imagine many of those drooling cretins who spoil and indulge their children without boundaries are well off enough and stupid enough to belong to the tea party.

Do not equate left wing politics with weakness.

My dad beat the crap out of me when I was a kid...and when he did I deserved it and learned from it.

Thanks Dad. Srsly.

FITZZ wrote:

sexiest_hero wrote:Yeah kids are bad. But that's nothing new. I watch a lot of rifftrax and MST3k and they have these old PSA about bad kids. gangster beatnics hoods. It's all the same. The answer is not hitting children but teaching them how to behave. But is'a just easy to say "They took prayer out of school" and "I can't hit my kid." Rather than "I'm a bad parent who relies on the school system and grandparents to raise my kid while I play Farmville." It's not that people don't hit their children (God knows they do) it's that they don't bother to teach them, or even explain why they are being beaten.

I partly agree with you here Hero....yes,there have always been "bad" kids...hell I was a "bad" kid myself,but the amount and the nature of the disrespect (particularly among young children 4-12) has definatley seemed to increase,very rarely as a child myself did I see another kid tell their Mother to @%*! off!!...and if I did that kid got slapped...I see it all the time now.

I do agree that many parents aren't taking resposibility for raising their kids and really taking the time to sit them down and teach them right from wrong,but disagree that a good swat on their backside doesn't help bring them back in line if they "forget" what you've taken the time to teach them.

As for prayer in school...meh...I went to public school in the 70's and 80's...we didn't have it...and we still knew better than to act like a bunch of little savages.

Now you are sounding like Socrates.

"Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers."