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If i tryed to do that i woulded be able to sit down for a month (im 15) i have only been smack 1 time in my whole life and 1 was all im gettting. LOL

I was smacked as a child and turned out fine.

*Jumps at his own shadow*

And re: the 'lefty' comments. Some of you guys take things very literally. But then Dakka is full of armchair politicians, haha.

Miraclefish wrote:Well the world is run by a bunch of lefties who prize political correctness and paperwork against common sense and morality.

Funny, here in Texas the country is run by a bunch of douchebag conservatives who prize nothing more than political control and couldn't care less about common sense and morality.

Oh wait, you thought right-wingers who are in power give a damn about morality? HAH, they care even LESS about it than your "lefties" in power.

Melissia wrote:Oh wait, you thought right-wingers who are in power give a damn about morality? HAH, they care even LESS about it than your "lefties" in power.

I'm pretty sure NO politicians have any morals in equal amounts left and right.....


On topic; You know what I hate? Kids who do something they should know their not supposed to, they get caught, and the parent looks at you like its your fault. Case in point: We were at one of the local resturants one day, My dad and I had pizza and my mom had a burger with Tater Tots. We finish eating, my mom leaves and my dad goes up to pay the bill. This six year old is walking past, looks me in the eye, and then takes my moms leftover tater tots, doesn't even ask. When I ask "Hey, what do you think your doing?!" the mom comes over says "Sorry" with a sneer, and then walks off. The kid isn't even told to give us back our damn tater tots......

Yeah, I get that from my sister all the time.

Dumb country hick twit needs to learn how to raise a kid.

My da shut me into the shed with the lights off when I went off on uncontrollable wobblers as a child. I still remember that, and I am not afraid of the dark in the slightest, so I guess it didn't eff me up.

I got the wooden spoon too, if I was bold, or a swift kick up the arse if I was particularly bad.
I dunno that I would hit my own kids, simply because I think there are more effective ways to teach a kid a lesson. The worst thing from the OPs story is that the kid got the ice cream. Reinforcement is for the behaviour you want, not the behaviour you don't, silly parent!

Worse than the "you can't hit a kid" thing is the "parents are immune to criticism" and "you can't comment on other people's parenting" tabboos. Both are bs.

sexiest_hero wrote:Kids are bad because parents are bad. It's not the children's fault.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vXW66o15e0

Not at all true, Kids=/= their parents. Mannerisms may sometimes be similar but generalizing it is untrue

AvatarForm wrote:
No, hitting someone is the definition of assault. battery means repetition. Though, disciplining your children should not be a matter for the Law unless you proceed to go above and beyond basic discipline.

In Australia hitting(or threatening to hit) someone is assualt under the Criminal Code. Battery is a civil matter that applies only to unconsented contact (in Qld). The media often confuses assualt to mean only a physical attack.

Neither of these requires repetition. Though there is a seperate law that allows this for discipline.

I was hit a few times before it became illegal. Honestly... I don't think it did a thing, because I remember (not too vividly) a few things I was smacked for that I would still do now, only i'd now be able to justify it and/or fight back, although I tend to bottle up my rage and then erupt, I don't fight a lot.

My brother is similar, but he's overly violent (and doesn't seem to learn from any mistakes or take anyone's advice) and will get physical, in-your-face and do the breathe-in-and-stand-on-partial-tiptoes-so-I-look-bigger thing to try and intimidate, and will keep doing that until he gets bored (if I hit back, he hits harder, the only way to stop him is to aim for a possibly fatal blow, which would end up with me getting the gakky end of the stick anyway, so simply taking it is the lesser of these two evils).

He was smacked a hell of a lot when he was younger (and not small but frequent, some of them were quite brutal), but it doesn't seem to have deterred him at all, as soon as it was banned in the UK he'd step up everything and gloat about my parents not being to touch him.

Melissia wrote:Yeah, I get that from my sister all the time.

Dumb country hick twit needs to learn how to raise a kid.

You would think they would learn by having their first kid when they are still in High School, but apparently not. (not saying your sister had one in High School).

The lady who it happened with had two kids, was in her early twenties, and yeah.....

The discipline has to start at day one. If you leave it till there four, of five- the child has already built up the behaviour patterns. Discipline needs to be firm, and constant between both parents. Beating is not nessecary, and it can cause many problems in the future.

I have 5 younger siblings, and the rearing and discipline is very different with my Mum's house being more strict, and my Dad's being liberal and inconstant. Guess whos kids are better behaved?

One of the main problems is that there is too many people out there trying to get in other peoples business and trying to tell people how to raise their kids and the people let them do it.

For Example: Why does the MPAA have to label the contents of a R rated movie now? Because irresponsible people take their kids to an R rated movie and then complain "I didn't know that kinda of stuff would be in that movie!" cause a big stink and the goverment steps in and labels everything so the parent doesn't have to do any work in being a parent.

The Government has done all the work for them.

My wife's cousin had the cops called on her in a pizza hut because her child would not sit down in her high chair and could have fell over and got hurt. So she swats her kid on the but to get her to sit down. Some person got up and called the cops.

It's too easy for people to get involved in how someone disciplines their kids.

The sad thing is people are too focused on calling the cops on people who are simply disciplining to protect and teach their children, when there are children that are getting seriously abused and no one says a thing.

It so bad that, children now know that if they don't get their way they can make a phone call and a fake sob story and have their parents get in serious trouble. Once again there are children who seriously need help and these brats are out there making phony claims because they are mad at their parents.

We need to institute the Battle Royale program....hehe

Blarglord wrote:It so bad that, children now know that if they don't get their way they can make a phone call and a fake sob story and have their parents get in serious trouble.

You know, a friend of my brother tried to threaten his dad with that once. The Dad's reply?

"Yes, you could do that, and I couldn't stop you. But I know it takes them a good ten minutes to get here, and in that time, somebodies gonna get hurt....."

Slarg232 wrote:

Melissia wrote:Yeah, I get that from my sister all the time.

Dumb country hick twit needs to learn how to raise a kid.

You would think they would learn by having their first kid when they are still in High School, but apparently not. (not saying your sister had one in High School).

The lady who it happened with had two kids, was in her early twenties, and yeah.....

She basically did. I think she was twenty when she got knocked up and married the jerkass deadbeat she later divorced.

If I messed up my mom would create a sentence and for each syllable I would get spanked, she wouldn't cut corners either. She never said "won't" she said "will not".

One time my brother and I got into a fight outside, "You will not fight each other again." resulted in 9 smacks to the rear.

The worst was when we acted up in the store, similar to the kids playing tag. Sitting in the car, heart in my stomach, knowing what was waiting for us.

We tried that whole thing with the social services, "Good, I need the break." my mom would always say.

halonachos wrote:If I messed up my mom would create a sentence and for each syllable I would get spanked, she wouldn't cut corners either. She never said "won't" she said "will not".

One time my brother and I got into a fight outside, "You will not fight each other again." resulted in 9 smacks to the rear.

The worst was when we acted up in the store, similar to the kids playing tag. Sitting in the car, heart in my stomach, knowing what was waiting for us.

We tried that whole thing with the social services, "Good, I need the break." my mom would always say.

...My Grandmother and to a lesser degree my Mother were masters at the "speech/whippings"...
My Grandmother was "very very long winded"...as in.." Don't (smack) you (smack) ever (smack) ever (smack) ever (smack) let (smack) me (smack) catch (smack) you (smack)ever (smack) ever (smack)ever (smack)..."...well you get the point.
My Father was different...he'd just knock us out...never said much during the whipping...but it stuck with you...


EDIT:...Speaking of social service involvement in child raising...several years ago,my Missus Brother piped my Daughter on her hand for almost grabbing a very hot BBQ grill,his finger nail scratched her hand (barely)...the following day at school her teacher asked what happened to her hand....she replied her Uncle "hit her"...guess who showed up at my house the following day...absolutely silly.
I'm 100% for protecting children from "real" abuse...but please...a scratch..
Funny thing is...my Daughter then got it in her head that she could "tell" anytime she was disiplined...stating to her Mom..." You can't spank me...I'll tell"....the Missus picked up the phone and said she'd make the call for her.

My dad didn't really do much, he was out to sea for the most part and really only hurt us by accident. Those power windows will get you every time you know.

One time we were acting up and my mom had company over, my dad took my brother and I into our room and gave us a talk. He then told us to pretend that he spanked us. We walked out pretending to cry and rubbing our rears until my little brother was dumb enough to say "Daddy pretended to spank us."

halonachos wrote:My dad didn't really do much, he was out to sea for the most part and really only hurt us by accident. Those power windows will get you every time you know.

One time we were acting up and my mom had company over, my dad took my brother and I into our room and gave us a talk. He then told us to pretend that he spanked us. We walked out pretending to cry and rubbing our rears until my little brother was dumb enough to say "Daddy pretended to spank us."

Me and the Missus share in guiding/discipline etc....but I tend to be the one who our kids "pay more attention to"...I usually only have to give them the "look" or raise my voice just a slight bit and they fall in line pretty quickly.
Though the Missus is more of "The Punisher" in the lines of taking away privaleges and such...

Frazzled wrote:

ShivanAngel wrote:Im sure there has been a post on this before, but why does it seem in this day and age people just let their kids walk all over them...

Example:

On my lunch break I went to a little place a block or so from my office. Sat down, was having a nice meal when suddenly screaming!!! I was like seriously what the hell. Turns out two kids, probably not more then 6-7 years old were playing tag in the restaurant. Whats more is the parents were just sitting there ignoring them completely. I thought about saying something, but didnt.

When their food arrived the kids sat down and ate, then one of them "demanded" ice cream from the mother. I figured this would be funny since if I demanded something from my parents I got smacked. So the mom calmly says no. Suddenly the child starts screaming ICE CREAM ICE CREAM ICE CREAM over and over. Im sure you can guess what the mom did, she ordered the little gak some ice cream. Again I know if I tried that on my parents when I was a kid I would have gotten an escort out of the restaurant to the car, gotten the mother of all spankings, then escorted back inside once I stopped crying...

Are parents just that badly whipped now? This is literally starting to become the norm, parents who dont even try to control their children in public places. Im guessing its just that parents are afraid to discipline their children?

Im only 25 so im no expert, but I was raised WAY different, and when me and the wife have kids they will be raised different also...

Now visualize being a parent, taking the kid outside and being arrested by police for battery because others called the police on you for spanking them?
Now visualize being the cop having to show up, thinking "that moms needs to beat the out of that kid the little er," and having to arrest them?

Now think of that cop going, good for you. Give the little gak a kick in the ass because they deserve it.
Just because someone calls the police doesn't mean you're going to be arrested. Not sure in the USA but up here you can actually apply some form of force to a child to discipline them.


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Some people need not only a swift kick but a good ole fashioned ass kicking.

Dumbest thing I ever said in reaction to a spanking? "That didn't hurt." ...WHAM.

Blarglord wrote:
It so bad that, children now know that if they don't get their way they can make a phone call and a fake sob story and have their parents get in serious trouble. Once again there are children who seriously need help and these brats are out there making phony claims because they are mad at their parents.

"They molestered me!"

Only in the US of A....

Actually, not only in the US of A. Discipline these days is definitely slipping. If my sister was hit every time she whined, she'd have many bruises. As it is, she has none. When I was her age (6 years ago) if I misbehaved, I would get smacked on the bottom. It reinforces the point without being overly painful.

Now? Nothing. It's ridiculous.

I didn't get it half as bad as my own dad did from his alcoholic father - at least that's what he kept telling me.

I only got the soap once and it was pretty shocking - at around the age of six or seven my little sister and I recorded 'bad words' on a cassette recorder and replayed them, drawing attention from my mother with our giggling. I sure learned not to say "poo", "bum" and "wee".

I was actually a pretty good kid, but my dad was also pretty reactive. Sometimes the way your parent was raised will affect the situation - at least that's the impression I got. My olds knew I was pretty game on them, though - I knew they weren't seriously going to hurt me.

I still decided to break and throw away all the wooden spoons in the house once (they'll never look in the GARBAGE BIN!) - that was the first time I got the belt!

I really just find it hilarious now.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Dumbest thing I ever said in reaction to a spanking? "That didn't hurt." ...WHAM.

HA!

I did that too. I wasn't prepared for what happened afterwards, though

When my dad was out of town working my mom made us write lines.....

These werent "I will not talk in class" lines either...

These were " I will not talk in class because I go to school to get an education, and talking in class will hinder that" or something like that... 500 times... No TV, Games, or playing outside till we finished....

After about the first 100 you were begging to be spanked...

On the social services note... Yeah its getting stupid. My little brothers day care called CPS on my mom because he had bruises... He was like 4, me and my other brother were 14 and 16... Of course he had bruises, he had two older brothers who he wrestled with all the time...

Kind of like when my wife slipped and sprained her wrist. In the ER I had to leave the room while they got her side of the story, just to make sure I wasnt forcing her to give a false statement in case I did it... Im a nurse so I knew it was coming, but its still kind of a seriously? moment.

Everyone comments on how polite I am to adults. Its not that I am more polite, its just that everyone else is less. Seriously, what happened to manners?

My Mom used to hit me with a wooden spoon, until one day i through it out the apartment window and ran away for 4 hours. Then is was a rubber spatula, i missed the spoon.
She also loved to say: "you just wait til your Dad gets home"
And if he ever does i'm sure i got about 32 years worth of whoopins.

Welp, time to speak against the majority


I got the gak kicked out of me when I was little; I was pretty well behaved as a result, but our relationship is still less than healthy. I'm still getting over the metric ton of fear they ut into me and my little bro.

I just don't think you should hit kids, but I sure as hell don't think you should let them get away with being an arse either. you can scold a kid (and make em listen!) without hitting them.

that's just where I stand.

We used to have a wooden paddle, worked well until one day it just gave up and cracked. Then it was a plastic spatula with aerodynamic slits in it.

When we grew up my mom got more creative and made me and my brother hug each other for about 10 or 15 minutes, now that was terrible.

I also get compliments about how polite I tend to be, I know, shock over the fact that halonachos is sometimes a jerk on the internet but polite in real life! Its more to do with the fact that I was also taught and made to work as well as punished when needed.

I guess I was one of those weird kids. My parents gave me the occasional spanking, but overall I was a good kid. But whenever I did something and wasn't punished for it, I would end up excercising physical violence upon myself.

...I guess my parents just weren't doing a good enough job at it...