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What kind of firepower do this weapons carry?
I mean can you customize it like in CoD4, 6 and 7? Grenade Launcher + assault scope + dual mag, etc... And of course what ammunition do they support?
And who use them now when they are relapsed by Las weapons?

I'm just projecting my perspective here, but I think lasguns are mass-produced on forge/industrial worlds while autoguns are probably produced locally on planets and hives. Hives can have countless gunsmiths and arms dealers who manufacture/import/smuggle and tinker with all kinds of weapons ala Necromunda. Custom "combi-autoguns" don't sound farfetched given the abundance of weaponry throughout the galaxy.

Well autoguns are for the most part used by citizen miltias, enforcers adn PDF units. I'll assume the options are there but are more expensive than if you wanted a lasgun

Some regiments of IG use autoguns, but it's rare to find whole regiments using them. The reasoning behind this is that las round sear the wound on impact, this means no blood loss, as such some people like having the autogun despite problems with getting ammo, jamming firing mechanisms and other problems you'd experience with modern day guns.

They're also used by resistance fighters and IG units on stealth mission (thats if Gaunts Ghosts are anything to go by), due to the fact autoguns can be silenced whereas lasguns can't.

Lasguns and autoguns are customizable to an extent I'd guess; I've read of lasguns with red dot sights, DKoK grenadiers used thermal scopes occasionally during the vraks war, forge world produces the drop troops pattern lasgun with underslung grenade launcher so it is probably a good guess they have attachments available.

wizard12 wrote:
They're also used by resistance fighters and IG units on stealth mission (thats if Gaunts Ghosts are anything to go by), due to the fact autoguns can be silenced whereas lasguns can't.
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That was only on gereon, and thats because they needed to silence their weapons which you can't do with a las.
Remeber on Phantine they theys Mk.IIIb I believe which have a folding stock adn the mags hold more rounds, perfect for insurgency.
But one difference is that I Think needle rifles are more common than LOng-Lases in 40K

wizard12 wrote:forge world produces the drop troops pattern lasgun with underslung grenade launcher so it is probably a good guess they have attachments available.

Forge world produces these kind of lasguns? I didn't know that. Could you post the link? I'm trying to find them, I would like to use some of those for hardened veterans or shock troops. It would make a nice conversion.

Autoguns are very common among PDF's and Arbites forces, also by Chaos Cultist forces/Hive Gangs/Pirates/etc.. They're really no different from modern assault rifles in operation and capability.

Autoguns are roughly equivalent to lasguns, and are caseless rapid fire weapons.

They generally are inferior overall though, aside from special ammunition.

All auto weapons are caseless, whereas stub weapons refer to non-caseless weapons. Just kinda how Games Workshop did it.

I know a lot of renegade guard regiments or units use them. i would assume they are cheaper/easier to get than lasguns.

Harriticus wrote:They're really no different from modern assault rifles in operation and capability.

So the standard ammunition would be 5x56 or 7x62 and they can be customized. Aren't the Autoguns with Granade Launcher better than Lasgun? Or if they use AP ammunition?

Brother Coa wrote:

Harriticus wrote:They're really no different from modern assault rifles in operation and capability.

So the standard ammunition would be 5x56 or 7x62 and they can be customized. Aren't the Autoguns with Granade Launcher better than Lasgun? Or if they use AP ammunition?

In the Imperial Armor Books, a basic Imperial autogun used by Chaos Heretics is 8.25mm, so not that big a difference in capability. The rounds are just basic bullets and the internal mechanics are the same as modern rifles.

The reason Lasguns = Autoguns for models is just for gameplay purposes, fluff wise it makes no sense that they'd be the same as Lasguns. Lasguns can be pretty devastating, especially on their highest settings.

Autogun in the fluff sense covers everything from a revolver snub pistol to a full autocannon. It is anything that fires conventional solid slug rounds. This is inherently why they were replaced. A lasgun has 5 marks of power pack, each of which can be recharged till the cows come home. An autogun round can only be fired once, and each weapon has its own type of bullet, for a body as devoted to the mantra of "one size fits all" as the guard, this is impractical. Some regiments use them (you can use them in games with the same stats as lasguns I think), but they are usually reserved for special ops, inquisitor business, gang warfare, where a las is hard to get hold of, or when fighting certain xeno filth which reflects the power of the holy emperors lasguns.

Laodamia wrote:

wizard12 wrote:forge world produces the drop troops pattern lasgun with underslung grenade launcher so it is probably a good guess they have attachments available.

Forge world produces these kind of lasguns? I didn't know that. Could you post the link? I'm trying to find them, I would like to use some of those for hardened veterans or shock troops. It would make a nice conversion.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Elysian_Drop_Troops/ELYSIAN-WEAPON-PACK.html

Two lasguns on the bottom right, the attachment is small but recognizable.

Harriticus wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Harriticus wrote:They're really no different from modern assault rifles in operation and capability.

So the standard ammunition would be 5x56 or 7x62 and they can be customized. Aren't the Autoguns with Granade Launcher better than Lasgun? Or if they use AP ammunition?

In the Imperial Armor Books, a basic Imperial autogun used by Chaos Heretics is 8.25mm, so not that big a difference in capability. The rounds are just basic bullets and the internal mechanics are the same as modern rifles.

The reason Lasguns = Autoguns for models is just for gameplay purposes, fluff wise it makes no sense that they'd be the same as Lasguns. Lasguns can be pretty devastating, especially on their highest settings.

Yeah, 8.25mm. Oddly enough, similar to 7.92x33, the short version of the 8x57 rifle round, used in this.

Of course, the idiot is ejecting hot cartridges right into the tree, but other than that...

Lasguns can have more shots per clip, are easy to maintain, can take one hell of a beating and still work, easy to store ammo for and the power packs can be recharged from a variety of sources.

i've been reading the warhammer book 'Redemption Corps' in which it mentions thet LasWeapons are alot cheaper than autoguns. the fact that you mention CoD i instantly thought of the M16, which is quite expensive in real-life

Mlitary-grade lasweapons are cheaper than military-grade autoguns, yes, and generally better to boot. But the special ammunition and the possibility of suppressing their noise still makes them valuable.

Inquisitor Bond wrote:Autogun in the fluff sense covers everything from a revolver snub pistol to a full autocannon.

False.

A revolver snub pistol is almost inevitably a stub weapon, not an auto weapon. The difference is basically that auto = always has full auto and is always caseless, while stub has ejected bullet casings.

No no no no no. The reason that the Imperium uses lasguns is because of logistics.

Consider it. Transporting boxes of ammunition is cumbersome. But, transporting the same fuel that runs Chimerae, AND Leman Russ tanks AND whatever generator that recharges lasgun clips?

Hell, I seem to recall reading something about being able to recharge lasgun clips inside a Chimera.

Any standard electrical outlet will do.

Melissia wrote:Any standard electrical outlet will do.

That's why my guard units have an X-box and Flat screen TV hooked up in their Chimera: it has plenty of standard electrical outlets!

I always thought auto-guns were quite common (maybe not as common as lasguns but still seen a lot) due to their more primitive design in comparison to Lasguns.

wizard12 wrote:They're also used by resistance fighters and IG units on stealth mission (thats if Gaunts Ghosts are anything to go by), due to the fact autoguns can be silenced whereas lasguns can't.

A lasgun would still be quieter than a "silenced" autogun. Part of the sound of a gunshot is the sonic boom from the bullet surpassing the speed of sound, which alone would likely be louder than the crack of a lasgun, and the rest is the explosion that launches the bullet in the first place, which is only slightly muffled by a silencer. Needle weapons are probably more on the level of what silencers are portrayed as in popular culture, though I don't know if how their projectiles are launched's ever been explained.

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:

wizard12 wrote:They're also used by resistance fighters and IG units on stealth mission (thats if Gaunts Ghosts are anything to go by), due to the fact autoguns can be silenced whereas lasguns can't.

A lasgun would still be quieter than a "silenced" autogun. Part of the sound of a gunshot is the sonic boom from the bullet surpassing the speed of sound, which alone would likely be louder than the crack of a lasgun, and the rest is the explosion that launches the bullet in the first place, which is only slightly muffled by a silencer.

A lasgun's distinctive 'snap-crack' is from it superheating the air around the bolt.
Autoguns, however, can use subsonic rounds--interestingly enough just like there's subsonic rounds for silenced weaponry today.

Gaunt's Ghosts on Gereon carried autopistols with silencers for 'wetwork' and had their lasguns packed away in their kitbags for the most part.
The Resistance on Gereon, however, used autoguns with crude suppressors on their autorifles.

Needle weapons are probably more on the level of what silencers are portrayed as in popular culture, though I don't know if how their projectiles are launched's ever been explained.

Needle weapons are exceedingly rare and to outfit an entire infiltration team with them would require Inquisitorial levels of influence.

That's why my guard units have an X-box and Flat screen TV hooked up in their Chimera: it has plenty of standard electrical outlets!

My Guardsman have PS3 and Gaming PC to both practice and resupply

Melissia wrote:Any standard electrical outlet will do.

I remember reading somewhere that a lasgun's clip can be recharged in times of dire necessity by putting it in a fire. Wasn't good for it, though. Where did I read that? It was in one of the Codices.

It's been pretty much everywhere

'Standard' procedure when there's no electrical outlets is just to leave them sitting in direct sunlight and it can recharge them without damaging them.

Throwing them into the fire damages the internals and means that after the clips are used, they can't be recharged again.

Thanks Kanluwen, that's filled in the gaps in my memory.

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:

wizard12 wrote:They're also used by resistance fighters and IG units on stealth mission (thats if Gaunts Ghosts are anything to go by), due to the fact autoguns can be silenced whereas lasguns can't.

A lasgun would still be quieter than a "silenced" autogun.

False.

Air suddenly raised to superheated levels is quite loud. That's what causes the thunder associated with lightning.

Las weapons quite literally CANNOT be silenced because of this. They will always be loud, they will always give away the firer's position, and so on.

Lasgun clips can be recharged on a standard Guard-issue charging port, by exposure to a trickle charging solar panel or, in extreme situations, by putting the thermal regulator part into a fire.

However, doing so drastically reduces the service life and capacity and, according to the Departmento Munitorum's Uplifting Primer, should only be done in times of dire emergency.

Based on what I remember from the Dark Heresy rulebook (don't have it with me), a shot from an autogun is about as powerful as a shot from a lasgun. In that particular game I prefer the autogun, as it can fire in 10 round bursts while the lasgun can only fire 3 round bursts at most. However, I recall instances in the Gaunt's Ghosts novels of lasguns being fired on full auto, so that rule is probably there for balance reasons more than anything else. There would literally be no reason to take an autogun over a lasgun if the lasgun could do everything the autogun can. Except for Manstopper (AP) rounds.

As for attachments, I believe you can place the same ones on both weapons as their dimensions are similar. You can add, among other things, bayonets (standard or monoblade!), Executioners (single-use underbarrel flamethrowers), telescopic sights, and laser sights. A recurring joke in my DH group is that a lasgun with a laser sight counts as twin-linked.