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Has any new fluff on hive fleet leviathan been produced since the BA codex release? Last i knew the BA were massing on Baal and prepairing a massive defence. All successor chapters save the Lamenters answered the call of Dante.

--Brother Xorus--

thats all we have so far,

aaaaand time stops at that point.

If one company of Ultramarines, one company of Mortificators, and a few IG regiments can halt Kraken, I'm certain that representatives from about 11 SM chapters can halt Leviathan. I'd like more info on this, as I don't have the BA codex. How many total Marines will there be? How many Guard Regiments? How big is the fleet? Are they actually defending in Baal or massing there in preparation for travel to another location?

On Topic, last I heard, Leviathan had been re-directed to the Octarius Ork Empire by Kryptman. 5th Edition kinda messed everything up from what I thought was great stuff in 4th Edition. I preferred that There were only 3 major Hive Fleets, 2 of which were defeated, but the biggest one yet has come with new tactics. It was like there was a bigger threat sending fleets just to test the IoM before one huge push. No, there are heaps of fleets, all over the place and I'm not sure where they all are, where they're going or what.

most of those Fleets are very small compared to the main hive fleets you refer to.

and i belive that the Fleet stopped in the Ultramarine book was just a splinter of Kraken, not Kraken itself.

Brother Xorus wrote:Has any new fluff on hive fleet leviathan been produced since the BA codex release? Last i knew the BA were massing on Baal and prepairing a massive defence. All successor chapters save the Lamenters answered the call of Dante.

--Brother Xorus--

It's also cause that big bad Daemon is marching on Baal at da same time!!! (dont have my codeci to hand so can't name him

iproxtaco wrote:I'm certain that representatives from about 11 SM chapters can halt Leviathan.

They're not gathered for Leviathan. They're gathered because Leviathan AND a horde of Daemons lead by the Greater Daemon who broke Sanguinius' legs are lined up for a 1-2 punch to end the Chapter.

I thought it was Sanuinious who broke the Deamons back over his knee and the Deamon wants revenge.

Platuan4th wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:I'm certain that representatives from about 11 SM chapters can halt Leviathan.

They're not gathered for Leviathan. They're gathered because Leviathan AND a horde of Daemons lead by the Greater Daemon who broke Sanguinius' legs are lined up for a 1-2 punch to end the Chapter.

Who then had his back broken by Sanginus, then at a later date had a real beatin' given to him by the Sangiunator, so he is not a happy bunny

IIRC the Daemon broke Sanguinius' legs on Signum, then Sanguinius broke his back and vanquished him at the siege of Terra.

iproxtaco wrote:If one company of Ultramarines, one company of Mortificators, and a few IG regiments can halt Kraken, I'm certain that representatives from about 11 SM chapters can halt Leviathan. I'd like more info on this, as I don't have the BA codex. How many total Marines will there be? How many Guard Regiments? How big is the fleet? Are they actually defending in Baal or massing there in preparation for travel to another location?

On Topic, last I heard, Leviathan had been re-directed to the Octarius Ork Empire by Kryptman. 5th Edition kinda messed everything up from what I thought was great stuff in 4th Edition. I preferred that There were only 3 major Hive Fleets, 2 of which were defeated, but the biggest one yet has come with new tactics. It was like there was a bigger threat sending fleets just to test the IoM before one huge push. No, there are heaps of fleets, all over the place and I'm not sure where they all are, where they're going or what.

In the BA codex they only make reference to the BA successor chapters, that ALL but the Lamenters are en route to BAAL for the defence. (To include the renegade Blood Knights who are notorious for saying F U to Dante) I dont recall any mention of IG presence. Ongoing, i dont think they made reference in size to Hive Fleet Leviathan, other then its a bit of a problem...

Brother Xorus wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:If one company of Ultramarines, one company of Mortificators, and a few IG regiments can halt Kraken, I'm certain that representatives from about 11 SM chapters can halt Leviathan. I'd like more info on this, as I don't have the BA codex. How many total Marines will there be? How many Guard Regiments? How big is the fleet? Are they actually defending in Baal or massing there in preparation for travel to another location?

On Topic, last I heard, Leviathan had been re-directed to the Octarius Ork Empire by Kryptman. 5th Edition kinda messed everything up from what I thought was great stuff in 4th Edition. I preferred that There were only 3 major Hive Fleets, 2 of which were defeated, but the biggest one yet has come with new tactics. It was like there was a bigger threat sending fleets just to test the IoM before one huge push. No, there are heaps of fleets, all over the place and I'm not sure where they all are, where they're going or what.

In the BA codex they only make reference to the BA successor chapters, that ALL but the Lamenters are en route to BAAL for the defence. (To include the renegade Blood Knights who are notorious for saying F U to Dante) I dont recall any mention of IG presence. Ongoing, i dont think they made reference in size to Hive Fleet Leviathan, other then its a bit of a problem...

Actually the Blood Knights were expelled for over running to much and hitting civilians + allies not that they ignored Dante, as although Dante is more supreme than their chapter master he isn't theirs. Not all Ultramarine successor chapters follow Calgars word to a T, but for the most part they do.

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

Brother Xorus wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:If one company of Ultramarines, one company of Mortificators, and a few IG regiments can halt Kraken, I'm certain that representatives from about 11 SM chapters can halt Leviathan. I'd like more info on this, as I don't have the BA codex. How many total Marines will there be? How many Guard Regiments? How big is the fleet? Are they actually defending in Baal or massing there in preparation for travel to another location?

On Topic, last I heard, Leviathan had been re-directed to the Octarius Ork Empire by Kryptman. 5th Edition kinda messed everything up from what I thought was great stuff in 4th Edition. I preferred that There were only 3 major Hive Fleets, 2 of which were defeated, but the biggest one yet has come with new tactics. It was like there was a bigger threat sending fleets just to test the IoM before one huge push. No, there are heaps of fleets, all over the place and I'm not sure where they all are, where they're going or what.

In the BA codex they only make reference to the BA successor chapters, that ALL but the Lamenters are en route to BAAL for the defence. (To include the renegade Blood Knights who are notorious for saying F U to Dante) I dont recall any mention of IG presence. Ongoing, i dont think they made reference in size to Hive Fleet Leviathan, other then its a bit of a problem...

Actually the Blood Knights were expelled for over running to much and hitting civilians + allies not that they ignored Dante, as although Dante is more supreme than their chapter master he isn't theirs. Not all Ultramarine successor chapters follow Calgars word to a T, but for the most part they do.

Touchet, clearly they are ones for ultra-agression. Which may prove to be valuble in the upcomming battles. They may, perhaps redeem their fall from grace. Probably not but it would be cool fluff if done properly.

Brother Xorus wrote:

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

Brother Xorus wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:If one company of Ultramarines, one company of Mortificators, and a few IG regiments can halt Kraken, I'm certain that representatives from about 11 SM chapters can halt Leviathan. I'd like more info on this, as I don't have the BA codex. How many total Marines will there be? How many Guard Regiments? How big is the fleet? Are they actually defending in Baal or massing there in preparation for travel to another location?

On Topic, last I heard, Leviathan had been re-directed to the Octarius Ork Empire by Kryptman. 5th Edition kinda messed everything up from what I thought was great stuff in 4th Edition. I preferred that There were only 3 major Hive Fleets, 2 of which were defeated, but the biggest one yet has come with new tactics. It was like there was a bigger threat sending fleets just to test the IoM before one huge push. No, there are heaps of fleets, all over the place and I'm not sure where they all are, where they're going or what.

In the BA codex they only make reference to the BA successor chapters, that ALL but the Lamenters are en route to BAAL for the defence. (To include the renegade Blood Knights who are notorious for saying F U to Dante) I dont recall any mention of IG presence. Ongoing, i dont think they made reference in size to Hive Fleet Leviathan, other then its a bit of a problem...

Actually the Blood Knights were expelled for over running to much and hitting civilians + allies not that they ignored Dante, as although Dante is more supreme than their chapter master he isn't theirs. Not all Ultramarine successor chapters follow Calgars word to a T, but for the most part they do.

Just watch them ram every ship they own into the heart of the hive fleet destroy it and themsleves with melta charges adn torpedoes

Touchet, clearly they are ones for ultra-agression. Which may prove to be valuble in the upcomming battles. They may, perhaps redeem their fall from grace. Probably not but it would be cool fluff if done properly.

In any event this is priming up to be one hell of a Demon bashing, Nid squishing, Ork smacking good time for the sons of Sanguinous!

Platuan4th wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:I'm certain that representatives from about 11 SM chapters can halt Leviathan.

They're not gathered for Leviathan. They're gathered because Leviathan AND a horde of Daemons lead by the Greater Daemon who broke Sanguinius' legs are lined up for a 1-2 punch to end the Chapter.

Well I'm not the person who originally stated this gathering was happening as I don't have Codex: Blood Angels, hence why I asked for more details. If there is another threat then such a gathering makes a bit more sense. I'm fairly certain that Ka'bandha is the Greater Daemon of Khorne that poses such other threat. It crushed Sanguinus's legs on Signus, but let him live. During the Siege of the Emperor's Palace, Ka'bandha and Sanguinus met once more. This time he broke the Daemons back and banished him. I guess Bloodthirsters never forget.

They need not forget, the Blood Angels will always be around to slap him up.

What is different about Leviathan however is that the 'nids in this specific fleet are bigger than all the other fleets due to combat with ork's...... maybe even tyranids born by spore after a while longer??? (that would be frightening) though that is purely a theory.

xXSir MontyXx wrote:What is different about Leviathan however is that the 'nids in this specific fleet are bigger than all the other fleets due to combat with ork's...... maybe even tyranids born by spore after a while longer??? (that would be frightening) though that is purely a theory.

Actually, I don't see why it would be impossible.

But you're definitely true, if something like that ever happens... everyone in the galaxy is just screwed. Even the necrons.

Laodamia wrote:

xXSir MontyXx wrote:What is different about Leviathan however is that the 'nids in this specific fleet are bigger than all the other fleets due to combat with ork's...... maybe even tyranids born by spore after a while longer??? (that would be frightening) though that is purely a theory.

Actually, I don't see why it would be impossible.

But you're definitely true, if something like that ever happens... everyone in the galaxy is just screwed. Even the necrons.

I imagine those hatchery eggs from starcraft that the zerg used to make troops.

But wait a second, then GW would have to call the game: Warhammer: 41k, not the same ring to it eh?

well it could still be called 40k just like the 50's or the 80's. But Leviathan is larger than kracken and doesn't have half of its army attacking an eldar craftworld.

iproxtaco wrote:If one company of Ultramarines, one company of Mortificators, and a few IG regiments can halt Kraken, I'm certain that representatives from about 11 SM chapters can halt Leviathan. I'd like more info on this, as I don't have the BA codex. How many total Marines will there be? How many Guard Regiments? How big is the fleet? Are they actually defending in Baal or massing there in preparation for travel to another location?

That was the defense of Ichar IV. Kraken also hit Iyanden at the same time, which nearly destroyed the Craftworld and did kill the majority of the population. The previous hive fleet decimated the Ultima Segmentums fleet, Guard regiments, the Ultramarines first company in its entirety and a lot of two other companies (4th and 7th, IIRC). Leviathan is also bigger than both.

iproxtaco wrote:On Topic, last I heard, Leviathan had been re-directed to the Octarius Ork Empire by Kryptman. 5th Edition kinda messed everything up from what I thought was great stuff in 4th Edition. I preferred that There were only 3 major Hive Fleets, 2 of which were defeated, but the biggest one yet has come with new tactics. It was like there was a bigger threat sending fleets just to test the IoM before one huge push. No, there are heaps of fleets, all over the place and I'm not sure where they all are, where they're going or what.

Part of Leviathan has been redirected to the Octarius system. It's got two major fronts, plus a bunch of minor fronts. There's also still only 3 major hive fleets, though a few of the minor hive fleets got some pretty big mentions in the 5th edition book. However, it never tries to make those fleets sound like major fleets, like Gorgon and Naga.

Also, you'll get no disagreement from any Tyranid player about the fluff in the 5th edition codex. It's awful.

Also, you'll get no disagreement from any Tyranid player about the fluff in the 5th edition codex. It's awful.

Damn right. The hyper-metabolic stuff is bull. The Tyranid were just fine how they were in the 4th ed. Rules wise to i thought. Instead of downgrading them they should have remained the army you NEVER want to get into close combat with.

Ageed, they definetly lost some of their psychological impact in 5th.
What happened to Stealers being the most fearsome hand to hand troop unit in the Galaxy et al? *cries*

Guys, well specifically the "ultramarine did it with only 1 company and a lil help" people, dont forget the ultramarines 1st company was backed by the one unit you all forgot, but arguably made the difference. An entire legio titanicus. Even tho the titans were felled, the codex states even in death the great machines vaporized thousands upon thousands of nids each.

xXSir MontyXx wrote:

Also, you'll get no disagreement from any Tyranid player about the fluff in the 5th edition codex. It's awful.

Damn right. The hyper-metabolic stuff is bull. The Tyranid were just fine how they were in the 4th ed. Rules wise to i thought. Instead of downgrading them they should have remained the army you NEVER want to get into close combat with.

Ya now we have tyrannofexes with range 48 str 10 heavy 2. I was like wtf? I want my cc shredders back I want the old broodlord, and carnifex back.

Brother Xorus wrote:They need not forget, the Blood Angels will always be around to slap him up.

My thoughts exactly. If he happens to forget, we'll be happy to remind him

FlammingGaunt wrote:

xXSir MontyXx wrote:

Also, you'll get no disagreement from any Tyranid player about the fluff in the 5th edition codex. It's awful.

Damn right. The hyper-metabolic stuff is bull. The Tyranid were just fine how they were in the 4th ed. Rules wise to i thought. Instead of downgrading them they should have remained the army you NEVER want to get into close combat with.

Ya now we have tyrannofexes with range 48 str 10 heavy 2. I was like wtf? I want my cc shredders back I want the old broodlord, and carnifex back.

If they wished to add these stats without the weakening of other that would be fine.

But seriously, the 4th ed. codex leaves the Tyranid fighting Ork's. Now everyone knows 'Nids gain attributes from their foes as they fight and consume them. So GW expects me to believe as Tyranid fight Orks they get LESS talented at CC??????

The main problem with the new units is they take away from the idea of Tyranids, the mutability of the different genii. All of the new units could have either been consolidated into standardised units (Thropes, Vores, Trygon genus for Trygons, Mawlocs and Harpies, Tyrannofex and Tervigon made Carnifex upgrades).

Instead they sepearated everything and ripped the most characterful part of the army out. Then went to work on the fluff, even doing so much as taking out the 'always evolving' aspect where different genii were tied to some races in the Milky Way, and just said 'Hey, look, they had everything anyway. Zoanthropes aren't from Eldar DNA, Biovores aren't from Ork DNA, they always had them. Oh, and the Swarmlord nearly killed Calgar, even though when it says Calgar was injured at the Battle for Macragge in the SM codex, it never mentions it'.

thakabalpuphorsefishguy wrote:Guys, well specifically the "ultramarine did it with only 1 company and a lil help" people, dont forget the ultramarines 1st company was backed by the one unit you all forgot, but arguably made the difference. An entire legio titanicus. Even tho the titans were felled, the codex states even in death the great machines vaporized thousands upon thousands of nids each.

No one said that...
And at any rate they didn't do it with 1 company...
The 1st company, the entire Legio supporting them and any PDF troops at the fortresses were wiped out and the Tyranids took the fortresses which were later reclaimed by the 3rd and 7th companies...
OT: The Blood Angels sent out a big distress call to it's successor chapters everyone barring the Lamentors arrived to help fight off the Tyranids and the Daemons. There was some debate (From what i heard) on whether it was sensible to spend all these troops fighting for only 1 chapter. Interestingly enough the BA could decline Imperial support but they would be fools to do so.