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I know that this question has been asked and answered many times before (quite a lot of my questions have) but, what is your favourite Primarch and why. Mine is Vulkan because he is one of the most humanitarian Primarchs, he also defeated one hundred Dark Eldar at the age of four (this is quite an impressive feat as most of us had only just defeated the toilet at four).
*side note* Horus' last name is Lupercal

The Lion. Why? Because his armor is so damn cool and he is a tactical genius!!

It was a difficult choice between Lorgar, Alpharius and co and Guilliman, but in the end I went for Lorgar. Simply puy, it can be argued that Lorgar and his Legion form the basis of every main event from humanity's viewpoint 31st millenium-onward that occurs in the background.

Russ! DRINK, FIGHT, EAT, DRINK, FIGHT, WIN!

winnertakesall wrote:Russ! DRINK, FIGHT, EAT, DRINK, FIGHT, WIN!

This is a surprisingly convincing argument.

Kurze all the way, what Batman would be if he wasn't a puss.

Cool topic, voted for Dorn. (Not biased in the slightest bit)

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:

winnertakesall wrote:Russ! DRINK, FIGHT, EAT, DRINK, FIGHT, WIN!

This is a surprisingly convincing argument.

Try telling my custody officer that

FOR THE BLACK LEGION! LUPERCAL!

Rogal Dorn: he made the IP a boss. The first building in the history of the galaxy to become a boss actually, quite impressive.

I love when Dorn almost started a war with Robot Girlyman when IP's numbers were to be reduced. Instead he had Sigismund form the BTs which are about 5x the size of any other chapter.

For Dorn!!!! Templars and Fists FTW.

Unknown primarch 'B'...because I like the numder 11

To me, Alpha/Omega seem the coolest out of them all.

I wouldn't be a proper unbiased Ultrasmurf player if I didn't vote for Guilliman.

Who became Lord Commander of the Imperium? Who defeated Alpharius? Who wrote the Codex Astartes?

And what did Dorn do? He got himself stuck in a cage, only to be released by the Ultramarines.

I'd like to say logar, but he is a worshiping maniac and turned from the God emporEr because he said stop worshipping me!
So, I have to say Horus

For the fantastic defense of terra, and allowing for humanity to continue the fight into the grim dark future. Dorn all the way

Sanguinius.

Cybronx wrote:I wouldn't be a proper unbiased Ultrasmurf player if I didn't vote for Guilliman.

Who became Lord Commander of the Imperium? Who defeated Alpharius? Who wrote the Codex Astartes?

And what did Dorn do? He got himself stuck in a cage, only to be released by the Ultramarines.

You'er right: Dorn didn't beat the second weakest primarch or spend all his time writing books that made Astartes 5x less cool, all he did was save Terra. Where was Guilliman during the Heresy? Fighting a numerically inferior force of word bearers. Where was Dorn? Saving earth AND mars from chaos. I win.

He was conviently on the other side of the galaxy, duh.

ghargatuloth wrote:He was conviently on the other side of the galaxy, duh.

Is 'conviently' a word? Or is spelling just not your forte?

Yup Dorn helped to save Terra, but I'm pretty sure that the Khan, Sanguinius, and the Emperor himself helped some too. All Guilliman did was defeat the 2nd largest legion after they launched a surprise attack on Ultramar. After that he only used his legion to keep the Imperium from disintigrating in the aftermath of the Heresy while also maintaining overall command of the Imperium's armed forces. But I'm sure that Dorn would have been able to pull that off somehow too right? All of Dorn's work would have counted for nothing if Guilliman hadn't stepped in and held the Imperium together. Papa Smurf also managed to pull Dorn's fat out of the fire at the Iron Cage and drive Peturabo and his legion into the Eye of Terror into the bargain. He could have easily left Dorn to die but he didn't.

Guilliman also wrote that horrific Codex Astartes that, for ten thousand years, has managed to prevent another civil war by fixing the problems inherent in the Astartes Legions. His legion was the largest and most powerful which means that he had, by a wide margin, the most to lose by splitting the legions into chapters. Funny that he did it anyway in spite of this. He could have easily taken over the Imperium without any difficulty and he didn't. In fact, he gave it back to the civilians. Fighting at the Siege of Terra somehow counts for more than all of this? Really? You guys must have a really low view of Corax, Vulkan, and Ferrus Manus then right? Their contribution to the Heresy consisted of being slaughtered at Istvaan. Or what about Johnson and the Dark Angels who managed to fight their own private war and contribute nothing at all? How about Russ? He's a popular guy right? Is defeating the Thousand Sons, and not fighting during the siege, somehow more important than defeating the Word Bearers? Someone help me out here and shed some light on this. Or is this just another case of irrational Ultramarine/Guilliman hate?

One more thing:
Ultramar is on the other side of the galaxy from Terra. There is nothing convenient about the Ultramarines not being near Terra when bad things happen. Would it be fair to complain about the Space Wolves conveniently being on the other side of the galaxy when Hive Fleet Behemoth came knocking? Of course it wouldn't because Fenris is on the other side of the galaxy from Ultramar.

I'll get off my soapbox now. Congrats if you made it through that whole rant. I don't mean to sound confrontational but the Ultramarine/Guilliman hate seems to border on the fanatical and I really am curious to know where it comes from.

andain841 wrote:Yup Dorn helped to save Terra, but I'm pretty sure that the Khan, Sanguinius, and the Emperor himself helped some too. All Guilliman did was defeat the 2nd largest legion after they launched a surprise attack on Ultramar. After that he only used his legion to keep the Imperium from disintigrating in the aftermath of the Heresy while also maintaining overall command of the Imperium's armed forces. But I'm sure that Dorn would have been able to pull that off somehow too right? All of Dorn's work would have counted for nothing if Guilliman hadn't stepped in and held the Imperium together. Papa Smurf also managed to pull Dorn's fat out of the fire at the Iron Cage and drive Peturabo and his legion into the Eye of Terror into the bargain. He could have easily left Dorn to die but he didn't.

Guilliman also wrote that horrific Codex Astartes that, for ten thousand years, has managed to prevent another civil war by fixing the problems inherent in the Astartes Legions. His legion was the largest and most powerful which means that he had, by a wide margin, the most to lose by splitting the legions into chapters. Funny that he did it anyway in spite of this. He could have easily taken over the Imperium without any difficulty and he didn't. In fact, he gave it back to the civilians. Fighting at the Siege of Terra somehow counts for more than all of this? Really? You guys must have a really low view of Corax, Vulkan, and Ferrus Manus then right? Their contribution to the Heresy consisted of being slaughtered at Istvaan. Or what about Johnson and the Dark Angels who managed to fight their own private war and contribute nothing at all? How about Russ? He's a popular guy right? Is defeating the Thousand Sons, and not fighting during the siege, somehow more important than defeating the Word Bearers? Someone help me out here and shed some light on this. Or is this just another case of irrational Ultramarine/Guilliman hate?

One more thing:
Ultramar is on the other side of the galaxy from Terra. There is nothing convenient about the Ultramarines not being near Terra when bad things happen. Would it be fair to complain about the Space Wolves conveniently being on the other side of the galaxy when Hive Fleet Behemoth came knocking? Of course it wouldn't because Fenris is on the other side of the galaxy from Ultramar.

I'll get off my soapbox now. Congrats if you made it through that whole rant. I don't mean to sound confrontational but the Ultramarine/Guilliman hate seems to border on the fanatical and I really am curious to know where it comes from.

Someone give this man a medal.

I would like to add, too, that Horus sent three of the most loyal Primarchs on far-off missions during his heresy. They included Sanguinius, Lion El'Jonson, and Roboute Guilliman. But Dorn? No dice.

The Codex Astartes is a waste of time, Russ delivered a back breaker to one of the greatest psykers ever.

The Emperors executioner

Cybronx wrote:

andain841 wrote:Yup Dorn helped to save Terra, but I'm pretty sure that the Khan, Sanguinius, and the Emperor himself helped some too. All Guilliman did was defeat the 2nd largest legion after they launched a surprise attack on Ultramar. After that he only used his legion to keep the Imperium from disintigrating in the aftermath of the Heresy while also maintaining overall command of the Imperium's armed forces. But I'm sure that Dorn would have been able to pull that off somehow too right? All of Dorn's work would have counted for nothing if Guilliman hadn't stepped in and held the Imperium together. Papa Smurf also managed to pull Dorn's fat out of the fire at the Iron Cage and drive Peturabo and his legion into the Eye of Terror into the bargain. He could have easily left Dorn to die but he didn't.

Guilliman also wrote that horrific Codex Astartes that, for ten thousand years, has managed to prevent another civil war by fixing the problems inherent in the Astartes Legions. His legion was the largest and most powerful which means that he had, by a wide margin, the most to lose by splitting the legions into chapters. Funny that he did it anyway in spite of this. He could have easily taken over the Imperium without any difficulty and he didn't. In fact, he gave it back to the civilians. Fighting at the Siege of Terra somehow counts for more than all of this? Really? You guys must have a really low view of Corax, Vulkan, and Ferrus Manus then right? Their contribution to the Heresy consisted of being slaughtered at Istvaan. Or what about Johnson and the Dark Angels who managed to fight their own private war and contribute nothing at all? How about Russ? He's a popular guy right? Is defeating the Thousand Sons, and not fighting during the siege, somehow more important than defeating the Word Bearers? Someone help me out here and shed some light on this. Or is this just another case of irrational Ultramarine/Guilliman hate?

One more thing:
Ultramar is on the other side of the galaxy from Terra. There is nothing convenient about the Ultramarines not being near Terra when bad things happen. Would it be fair to complain about the Space Wolves conveniently being on the other side of the galaxy when Hive Fleet Behemoth came knocking? Of course it wouldn't because Fenris is on the other side of the galaxy from Ultramar.

I'll get off my soapbox now. Congrats if you made it through that whole rant. I don't mean to sound confrontational but the Ultramarine/Guilliman hate seems to border on the fanatical and I really am curious to know where it comes from.

Someone give this man a medal.

I would like to add, too, that Horus sent three of the most loyal Primarchs on far-off missions during his heresy. They included Sanguinius, Lion El'Jonson, and Roboute Guilliman. But Dorn? No dice.

Large quotes! Yay!

Anyway, I agree with the medal thing. But I think the hate for Ultramarines is inexorably tied in with GW's over-marketing of them, to the point that people just get annoyed at them whenever they see them; be it fluff, table-top or video game. Simply; it's just a case of personal preferance being vented out in nerd rages with the weak point of "he did these stupid, unhelpful things hurr" without delving into the full truth of the matter.

Besides, we all know that Sanguinius is far cooler anyway so this point is mute..

*ducks*

Before the Horus Heresy series and the book dedicated to him came out, Fulgrim was my favourite Primarch. But parts of it ruined it for me, it made his fall seem cheap in away.

Now, it's Rogal Dorn, he's awesome. He is a no nonsense character who is able to have a mess about. He is strong and implacable but is all to human.

Pilau Rice wrote:Now, it's Rogal Dorn, he's awesome. He is a no nonsense character who is able to have a mess about. He is strong and implacable but is all to human.

He is very awesome. What's more, the Imperial Fists and also possibly their successors are some of the most 'human' Space Marines.

1#: Sanguinius. Even though he wasn't anywhere near full strength and already knew he would die if he went into battle with Horus he did it anyway. Many props.

2#: Konrad Curze. I loved this guys background. It was like reading a Batman graphic novel where Batman had no moral code. The only primarch, that I know of, who kind-of sort-of regretted what he had become in the end and accepted death with open arms.

3#: Mortarion. Because, anyone who wields a scythe is automatically a bad-ass.

Cybronx wrote:Someone give this man a medal.

I would like to add, too, that Horus sent three of the most loyal Primarchs on far-off missions during his heresy. They included Sanguinius, Lion El'Jonson, and Roboute Guilliman. But Dorn? No dice.

Now if I recall correctly, wasn't Lion El'Jonson the one who sat back and waited to see who won the war so he could pick the winning side?

Besides, we all know that Sanguinius is far cooler anyway so this point is mute..

*ducks*

Sanguinius is awesome. Who doesn't like a noble sacrifice in the face of a really evil bad guy? Sanguinius certainly gets my vote for most heroic primarch. You certainly wouldn't have seen any such heroics from Guilliman, Jonson, or Dorn. Russ may give Sanguinius a run for his money in the heroics department though.

andain841 wrote:

Besides, we all know that Sanguinius is far cooler anyway so this point is mute..

*ducks*

Sanguinius is awesome. Who doesn't like a noble sacrifice in the face of a really evil bad guy? Sanguinius certainly gets my vote for most heroic primarch. You certainly wouldn't have seen any such heroics from Guilliman, Jonson, or Dorn. Russ may give Sanguinius a run for his money in the heroics department though.

While he is heroic, if anyone else had foresawn their own deaths, they wouldn't have gone - think of all the good Sanguinius could've done had he survived! His death didn't even matter to the Emperor, who apparently valued one Guardsman.. or Terminator.. or whatever it was far more than one of twenty beings whom are all second only to him, the likes of which will never exist again.