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Ok so we all know that the most common army you see a beginner 40K player playing is the SMs, but can you blame them the only army that ever comes in the starter sets are the SMs. So here's my question do you just honestly think the SMs are over rated and OP, or do you actually like them and play them for reasons other than the fact that GW decided they would stick you with them because you're a new player. I am quite interested to see what you guys think, and for myself I have to say i actually like them and I thought that before I knew that's what came in the starter set I like their looks, their vehicles, their fluff, and their tactical sort of eliteness.

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Also tell why you think what you think.

Who the feth thinks Marines are OP?

I chose Marines because I thought they looked cool. A lot of people choose Marines because they look cool. GW markets them well.

I like them for the fluff...
The good parts not the crap parts.

Although I really think there's waaaay to many codecies for the many variants and the last few of them, well, I dislike for multiple reasons, the models have always been pretty cool and I can't help but like them. Hell, my next planned army is a marine army.

However they are everywhere so it's hardly suprising people get sick of them sometimes.

You could probably boil the SM codici into 4 seperate ones and still keep the fluff etc.

I agree with Wib, way way too many codecies. Dark Angels, Black Templars, Blood Angels, Codex Marines, Grey Knights.

I started my marine army because I am a marine and they have great fluff, the down side being that when you show up for a tourney 80% of the armies are marines , hence my orks waaaaaaagh!!!!

Tabletop-wise they play fine and are balanced, though the amount of attention GW gives them is very annoying.

Fluffwise, the more I read about them the less and less I like them, I'm actually starting to really get annoyed by SM. On the other hand I'm quite a fan of CSM.

They are nice but way to many.

Mobile Infantry Cap Troopers are cool.

Morsemorta wrote:but can you blame them the only army that ever comes in the starter sets are the SMs.

Really? So in 2nd edition, there were lightly armoured green marines opposing the other Space Marines? In 3rd edition skinny, pointy Marines? 4th edition, organo-Marines? 5th edition, more lightly armoured green Marines?

There's been other armies in starter sets. GW's marketing is always behind Space Marines, because they sell. But they sell because there's so much marketing behind them. If they put some more effort into designing and marketing other armies, they well well too. Just look at the re-release of Dark Eldar.

As far as tabletop goes, I play them because they fit my personality, I love to go head on at my enemy, but maintain a semblence of strategy. Fluff wise, I love the concept, but I do have to agree that they do get a lot of attention from gamesworkshop, and mostly the ultramarines, whom I avoid. I love the space wolves fluff, and I also have grown to love the Salamanders fluff, and am currently painting my army around them. I do think that as far as codex chapters go, they could do what they did in 4th edition and use the table of divergences to help give flavor to an army.
However an something I take as a personal insult is when someone says that space marines are only for begginers, yeah alot of new players start as space marines, yeah they are easy to start with, because they are balanced and will forgive mistakes, but they also take some time to master, and I may be mistaken, but it seems now that newer codexs are starting to get more anti marine weapons.

Overrated: Ultramarines, Space Wolves, Salamanders, Dark Angels, Iron Hands

Cool: Imperial Fists, Blood Angels, White Scars, Raven Guard, Black Templars

Undecided on GK.

I like marines.

I played Scythes of the Emperor back when i started in 40K, just before they announced that they all got et

I get really really sick OTOH of them being upwards of half of all releases in the 40K range, updated every time the edition changes, and always with more and more wild and wacky stuff to buy.

If they could only give the xeno armies the same degree of love and coverage the game would sell even better, and xeno players wouldn't be leaving in droves. My friend's league lost 6 of 7 dark eldar players during the long wait for a new codex/range and only one has rejoined the fold.

We have 3 diehard Necron players left, from about 9.

Same story with Tau and Craftworld Eldar

Warmahordes has bled them away.


GW: We get it. Marines are the Bestest Now how about the Restest?

Obviously GW would choose space marines as the poster army when they are both awesome and the only thing that's really unique to their setting. You think they should have gone with orks?

Funny enough, at the local store... marines are in the minority, friggin xenos everywhere(and chaos).

Who thinks Codex: Space Marines are overpowered? That person is insane. Some of the newer stuff maybe, but as someone who still plays codex with combat tactics.. I am having to adapt and find new and interesting tactics to deal with all this new crap coming out.

Space Marines may be marketted a lot and have a ton of kits, but so do most armies. There are a few with horrible representation currently, but those are also the ones that are funny enough, coming up in the new releases. Look at the past few codex; now imagine how good necron and sisters of battle will be....

Almarine wrote:Obviously GW would choose space marines as the poster army when they are both awesome and the only thing that's really unique to their setting. You think they should have gone with orks?

You think the Marines are unique to their setting? Really?

*snerk*

You keep believing that then

I like them, Im getting into salamanders lately just because i like fire im well tanned and my favorite colour is green :p

Seriously, i like the fluff of SM they look very well and they are fun and easy to paint they are a bit over rated and over used, but so are chaos to chaos lovers, eldar to eldar lovers, and the orcs and goblins in fantasy, they all just get more attention.

Marines are pretty cool but i don't really like them. I think that they were the first models gw made, so they get annoyingly huge amounts of attention.

Movac wrote:Overrated: Ultramarines, Space Wolves, Salamanders, Dark Angels, Iron Hands

Cool: Imperial Fists, Blood Angels, White Scars, Raven Guard, Black Templars

Undecided on GK.

ultramarines are in xxxxxxxxxxxxhot not Overrated! (jokes)
Ture they can be over raited apart from Iron Hands that aren't that poplauar...Blood angels are Overrated too.....Im my opinon ultramarines,black tempers,slamaders,dark angels,blood angels,crizon fists are the most poplaur...

HAZZER wrote:

Movac wrote:Overrated: Ultramarines, Space Wolves, Salamanders, Dark Angels, Iron Hands

Cool: Imperial Fists, Blood Angels, White Scars, Raven Guard, Black Templars

Undecided on GK.

ultramarines are in xxxxxxxxxxxxhot not Overrated! (jokes)
Ture they can be over raited apart from Iron Hands that aren't that poplauar...Blood angels are Overrated too.....Im my opinon ultramarines,black tempers,slamaders,dark angels,blood angels,crizon fists are the most poplaur...

The only Ultramarine I like is Sicarius (He's a badass) and well Calgar has badass rules, but so does Sicarius. Who else can ID monstrous creatures in normal games.

UM are too shiny. I think they will be taken down a peg in the next edition.

Salamanders, Ravenguard are cool. SW are overrated and OP (I've yet to meet anyone who likes their fluff as opposed to game power!) BA despite being a bit emo are cool. Iron Hands we don't know enough about.

IdentifyZero wrote:

HAZZER wrote:

Movac wrote:Overrated: Ultramarines, Space Wolves, Salamanders, Dark Angels, Iron Hands

Cool: Imperial Fists, Blood Angels, White Scars, Raven Guard, Black Templars

Undecided on GK.

ultramarines are in xxxxxxxxxxxxhot not Overrated! (jokes)
Ture they can be over raited apart from Iron Hands that aren't that poplauar...Blood angels are Overrated too.....Im my opinon ultramarines,black tempers,slamaders,dark angels,blood angels,crizon fists are the most poplaur...

The only Ultramarine I like is Sicarius (He's a badass) and well Calgar has badass rules, but so does Sicarius. Who else can ID monstrous creatures in normal games.

Same here all of those people are pretty bad ass!And I have calgar and tellion, I'm still hopping to get Sicarius too.

I do like the Space Marine fluff and the models, but I think GW has gone too far with so many codices. I've fleshed them out to around 2000 points because they were my first army, but now that I am more experienced I am branching out into things like Tyranids and Demons.

I think they are fine, if a bit over publicized with far to many books. Its a good move on GWs part though, a large population of the player base all playing "different" armies yet many of the models are used between the different books so they get a larger customer base, buying models, with less investment in molds on GWs part.

Phototoxin wrote:(I've yet to meet anyone who likes their fluff as opposed to game power!)

Right here! Out of all the SM chapters (and really anything IoM) the wolves are my favorite fluff wise. I may start an army of them after my current dark eldar project is done if I decide to start a marine army at all.

~Zero~

I think they are both cool (I am pro Dark Angel) but also overrated to a certain degree (GW attention given to them).

Swoped my orks for marines. just for fun. but i like playing my tau and ig more

I have never played an 'Imperial' Codex, and I vow I never will.

The sheer amount of attention they get, and the fact that the upper tier of 40k is dominated by MEQ's (and guard!) leaves me unwilling to go with them.

As just a general thing, I find them really boring, with rules that poorly match the fluff. I mean seriously, if marines are so awesome, make them 100pts each but with epic stats. I'd have no problem with marines becoming comparable in epicness to 'The Fellowship' in LOTR, as long as it matches their fluff.

Personally, I'd love a re-write of the astartes codex into some kind of 'megadex' that incorporates all the marine chapters.

If they did this, I would then expect them to go through each race and make rules for all the subsets of each race i.e. Klanz for Orks, Craftworlds for Eldar, and Kabals for Dark Eldar. But none of this will ever happen...

Warboss Gutrip wrote:I have never played an 'Imperial' Codex, and I vow I never will.

The sheer amount of attention they get, and the fact that the upper tier of 40k is dominated by MEQ's (and guard!) leaves me unwilling to go with them.

As just a general thing, I find them really boring, with rules that poorly match the fluff. I mean seriously, if marines are so awesome, make them 100pts each but with epic stats. I'd have no problem with marines becoming comparable in epicness to 'The Fellowship' in LOTR, as long as it matches their fluff.

Fluff does not equal game rules. It influences the rules, but it's not word for word on the tabletop. There were rules in WD for "Movie Marines" a few years ago that were just what you described. The thing is, it doesn't make financial sense to make a Marine army where people will only need a dozen models. 40k is all about the spectacle of huge battles. If you want Marines who behave exactly like they do in the fluff, play one of the RPGs.

My current largest army is a Codex marine one. (my orks are bigger, but shelved since I can't bring my self to play them too often). I painted them blazing orange, and trimmed with dark gold (vallejo brass). Why orange? I never saw another orange marine army in my area, and orange is the negative of blue... but are also considered to be complementary colors. While my guys are the furthest color away from being Ultra marines (or crimson fists, whom I don't like, Imperial fists are cooler) they also fit into the same design, and complement the fact that I play my marines in the codex fashion (in fact its usually what could all be contained in a single battle company, with minimal support from 1st and 10th company)

Marine chapters I like: Imperial Fists, Space Sharks, Silver Skulls, Rampagers (white scars second founding), white scars, Grey Knights (they were my 3rd army, started in 2008ish), and finally the Minotaurs chapter http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Minotaurs. What is cooler than a chapter that is basically meant to hunt down rogue marine chapters, and publicly insults Calgar? They also fought in the Badab war, and took out a chapter of marines (Lamenters). Alpha Legion SCM legion (why not? Only chaos legion you can play with any codex!)

Chapters I don't like: BA (space vampires? really? well they have cool spin offs like flesh tearers) Ultra marines (they are colored like cub scouts, use similar symbol as the Indianapolis Colts, and GW made them the poster child, thus a target), and any marine chapter with a quartered or halfed paint scheme (looks dumb). Any chaos legion other than thousand sons and alpha legion.

Chapters I don't mind, but don't like either: Space wolves (their fluff is funny, but also to many wolf names, gets annoying) Black templars (don't care much about their fluff, but they were my first opponent ever, so have a soft spot for them), And pretty much any renegade chapter that isn't fully fallen into chaos. Thousand suns CSM legion.