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This was posted on another forum i frequent, and i thought i would share it here

http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1092275-A-gay-teen-describes-her-experience-at-a-Utah-WWASP-brainwashing-facility?p=30080936

Just go and read it, really. It's someone who's shared her experience being forcibly dragged to "Cross Creek", apparently a school to rehabilitate troubled kids.
She was brought there in 2007 because she was a lesbian.

Albeit it's hard to check the validity of all this, apparently the Cross Creek people have rebutted what was said.
There's an account of it here:
http://www.wwaspinfo.net/wwaspsinfo.net/crosscreek/cross-creek.11.20.98.html

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WWASPS -> World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Association_of_Specialty_Programs_and_Schools#Controversy

Ehh, not so sure what to think of this. On one hand I don't doubt that an abusive "school" like that COULD exist, but on the other I don't think the girl is all that trustworthy.

In the end, the sources need to get better. Get some journalists to bite on it and do some investigation on it. Its just too hard to give a lot of credibility to second hand stories.

I'll just leave this here http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2003/jun/29/schools.uk1

Kragura wrote:I'll just leave this here http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2003/jun/29/schools.uk1

Holy hell.

Frag. This is so bad...

...what kind of people willingly work there?! And how incompetent, stupid, cold-hearted fethers must the parents be that send their children there?!?!






...I'm really not the guy to jump to extreme propositions quickly, but I wouldn't mind a squad of SEALs or Green Berets dropping in there and going to town with those..."guards" and their monster of a boss.

I knew there was a reason people made petrol bombs...

People still make petrol bombs when it's about £1.35+ per litre?

EDIT: Woo! My 2000th post was a half funny/half petrol prices complaint comment

Avatar 720 wrote:People still make petrol bombs when it's about £1.35+ per litre?

EDIT: Woo! My 2000th post was a half funny/half petrol prices complaint comment

Bio-fuel?

purplefood wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:People still make petrol bombs when it's about £1.35+ per litre?

EDIT: Woo! My 2000th post was a half funny/half petrol prices complaint comment

Bio-fuel?

"Just going to take a dump."
"Don't get gak on the paintwork."

Avatar 720 wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:People still make petrol bombs when it's about £1.35+ per litre?

EDIT: Woo! My 2000th post was a half funny/half petrol prices complaint comment

Bio-fuel?

"Just going to take a dump."
"Don't get gak on the paintwork."

Classy.
At any rate if I went to that school and got released the first thing I would do is burn it down...
I hate brainwashing... it's unnatural... worse than clocks...

I would imagine that this is the result of people not parenting their children and then being surprised when they turn into right little uncontrollable bastards.

I'm not opposed to sending gak children to these camps, as long as the parents are subjected to the same treatment.

If you need to send your children to a place like that, then you don't deserve to have children in the first place.

Strangely enough, parents are supposed to teach their children how to behave (I know, it's madness!), if they need a parenting camp to do it for them then they're not fit to be a parent.

Obviously if you're doing everything right and your kid is still a little gakfether, then something might be required to help you, but shoving your kid in there at the first sign of disobedience is bullgak.

Also what the hell is that "Teen Escort Service" about?
That seems so messed up it shouldn't have been started in the first place...

Avatar 720 wrote:If you need to send your children to a place like that, then you don't deserve to have children in the first place..

Unfortunately, while this is probably true, it's not too hard to make a baby.

Avatar 720 wrote:Strangely enough, parents are supposed to teach their children how to behave (I know, it's madness!), if they need a parenting camp to do it for them then they're not fit to be a parent..

See above.

Avatar 720 wrote:Obviously if you're doing everything right and your kid is still a little gakfether, then something might be required to help you, but shoving your kid in there at the first sign of disobedience is bullgak.

Let's not jump to conclusions. I would be pretty shocked if the first time someone comes home late they're off to Jamaica for hazing.


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purplefood wrote:Also what the hell is that "Teen Escort Service" about?
That seems so messed up it shouldn't have been started in the first place...

Sounds sexy.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Kragura wrote:I'll just leave this here http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2003/jun/29/schools.uk1

Holy hell.

so, whos up for a trip down there to put Jay Kays head on a stick?

Monster Rain wrote:

purplefood wrote:Also what the hell is that "Teen Escort Service" about?
That seems so messed up it shouldn't have been started in the first place...

Sounds sexy.

Mindmeld.

Seriously though, having people burst into your room at 4am in the morning and putting you in handcuffs is rarely a good thing.

KingCracker wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Kragura wrote:I'll just leave this here http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2003/jun/29/schools.uk1

Holy hell.

so, whos up for a trip down there to put Jay Kays head on a stick?

I'm just amazed at how much it sounds like something out of a movie. There must have been a couple of breakouts, and that's where we get all our 'Escape from Such-and-Such' movies from.

I second the call for the Green Berets. This cannot be legal.

I wonder how this relates to laws against human trafficking.

I'm also wondering how good of an idea it is to send your children to be "corrected" and then welcome them back into the fold when they return. Sure, most of the kids will probably be fairly well broken when they get back, others may have just gotten really good at lying while consoling themselves with plans of revenge.

This would probably be an ideal place for the really awful kids, like those Chavs that I hear so much about from British Dakkaites, but there should be a rigorous screening program to make sure parents aren't just dumping kids there because they've become too inconvenient. That being said, most of the perps on those world's wildest police chases shows are teenagers who are high on drugs. They are in desperate need of a "Tuneup", and I don't mean the automotive variety.

dogma wrote:I wonder how this relates to laws against human trafficking.

I'm also wondering how good of an idea it is to send your children to be "corrected" and then welcome them back into the fold when they return. Sure, most of the kids will probably be fairly well broken when they get back, others may have just gotten really good at lying while consoling themselves with plans of revenge.

Honestly, I'd get too impatient. Probably just snap and get stabby at camp.

Fafnir wrote:

dogma wrote:I wonder how this relates to laws against human trafficking.

I'm also wondering how good of an idea it is to send your children to be "corrected" and then welcome them back into the fold when they return. Sure, most of the kids will probably be fairly well broken when they get back, others may have just gotten really good at lying while consoling themselves with plans of revenge.

Honestly, I'd get too impatient. Probably just snap and get stabby at camp.

No, no, no you be a nice little boy then when you get out find a nice lawyer and sue, you'll never have to work a day of your life

Given the expense of sending your children to that kind of place it isn't chavs who are getting the treatment it is upper middle class children.

Whilst I agree that discipline is necessary for turning out well behaved children, that sounds a bit too extreme for your average "rich spoiled brat".

Serious underage offenders? Sure. A few months of "OP" and this kind of treatment might do them some good. I can even see the point of having indefinite "sentences" (means that lessons are more likely to be learned rather than simply "towing the line" until your release date).

However, parents actually paying for their kids to be taken there? You are in for a world of resentment when they come back I would imagine...

Also, anyone see the irony that swearing is bad, but the sign that girl had to wear had "crap" written on it? Talk about mixed messages

I would be far happier with these kinds of places if they were monitored, run by professionals and so on, rather than by fringe groups...

The thing to bear in mind is that once a child turns 18 he can simply walk out of the "school".

Kilkrazy wrote:The thing to bear in mind is that once a child turns 18 he can simply walk out of the "school".

Indeed, though that does not help you too much if you arrive at 13...

It is an irony of modern life that wealthy parents will pay well for their children to be given the kind of treatment that would be illegal if forced on chav children in borstals.

Kilkrazy wrote:The thing to bear in mind is that once a child turns 18 he can simply walk out of the "school".

That might be a little hard on a Jamaican Island. With no funds.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:The thing to bear in mind is that once a child turns 18 he can simply walk out of the "school".

That might be a little hard on a Jamaican Island. With no funds.

Apparently you need $50 to get your return air ticket. But if your parents/family/the school are not being cooperative...

I've never understood why parents get upset when their daughter turns out to be gay - doesn't that mean that you're guaranteed not to end up with a pregnant 16-year-old to support? It seems really nonsensical to send a kid to a school to get rid of the gay AND to try to teach them not to mess around with guys at the same time.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:The thing to bear in mind is that once a child turns 18 he can simply walk out of the "school".

That might be a little hard on a Jamaican Island. With no funds.

Jamaica is an English speaking country. They have their troubles but it isn't a lawless hellhole like Somalia.

As a US citizen you would simply call the embassy for help.

Agreed. And I know the Marines there would be willing to help. For some reason they seem to dislike childabuse



But really though this just goes to show the extremes bad parents will go through so they dont HAVE to deal with their children.