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Don't you think it would have saved rather a lot of messing about if he'd sat down with the primarchs and just had a good old 'Dad discussion' about stuff?

"Ok, so you know how you guys are so frikkin powerful? Well It's a long story but basically I had to make a deal with these infinitely powerful immaterial entities to help create you....

Look guys, you know that purple crap we sail our ships through? Well it really wants to eat us......

You gotta watch out for these rogue psyker dudes, if you see anyone with crazy eyes and a headache, shoot them in the face.......

Eight pointed stars are bad. Shoot people who have them in the face as well.........

Oh, by the way, these immaterial beings are very pissed off and will try to make you betray me. This would probably result in a major kerfuffle. Now you're aware you can resist.....

Ok, you know how there are birds and bees? Well bees carry pollen into flowers and.... um... actually it doesn't matter lads......

The reason I'm going to earth? Well you're going to go kill stuff for me while I'm going to juice up this sweet WarpThrone 5000 I found buried in the desert. It controls this stargate I found, and we need to get it started to keep these immaterial beings and Macgyver out of our own particular phsyical universe. Thanks for asking though, I don't want you to think I've abandoned you all and I don't care, that would be embarrassing and could cause you all sorts of psychological damage......"

So you see, the Emperor may have been all-powerful, but he needed a parenting support class or two.

Yes, this is rather the point of the setting. Thank you for joining the fandom of 40k.

Letting your son worship you for a millenia and then blowing up his temple and humiliating him is definitley not good parenting.

Horus needed a hug.... and a cookie.

Bet the emperor never gave any of his sons a christmas gift. I'd rebel too.

Bah, everyone knows marines rebelled against the emporer for vacation days. I mean for gods sake they don't even get weekends off.

Wait, are we counting only earth Christmas, or every Christmas on every planet?

Perhaps he was trying to be too good a Father? Keeping 18 Sons happy cannot be an easy thing to do.

He kept Lorgar happy by letting him worship him on the sly until Guilliman said "His army is nearly as big as mine but he doesn't use it".

He kept Magnus happy by letting him have his dabblings with Magic until Mortarion, Corax and Russ said "He's a witch, burn it!"

You can't ignore four of your sons to keep two happy, despite of how much you might love the others.

And Horus, well Horus, the Emperor trusts him above all others, he puts the reunification of the Imperium in his hands as his most beloved son and what does he do, throw a hissy fit. Sure the Emperor could've told him what he was doing on Terra. But the Emperor needed Horus to do what he did best, wage war.

A sit down chat with them about the venomous powers of Chaos probably wouldn't have been a terrible idea... especially considering Lorgar decided to start worshiping them.

daedalus-templarius wrote:A sit down chat with them about the venomous powers of Chaos probably wouldn't have been a terrible idea... especially considering Lorgar decided to start worshiping them.

Well he kinda did, he wasn't lying when he warned them off the dangers of the warp or the entities that reside within it. He didn't lie when he said there are no Gods. Lorgar needed to have something to worship so the Chaos Powers go to him and he sets them up on the altar.

I think that the emporer should have killed Lorgar, he was emo and pissed off all the time, and I dont think he would have been missed, and then just told all of the other primarchs that lorgar sucked and they didnt need him or the Word Bearers

dajobe wrote:I think that the emporer should have killed Lorgar, he was emo and pissed off all the time, and I dont think he would have been missed, and then just told all of the other primarchs that lorgar sucked and they didnt need him or the Word Bearers

Letting Lorgar live after Monarchia is actually one we can't pin on the Emperor. The rest of the Primarchs voted that they did not want to lose another brother. Implied there is that the Emperor's idea was to kill him.

The Emperor was mighty figure, and a great leader, but he was a dick. He wanted to kill Lorgar? Now I dislike the character.

dang, my opinion is opposite of inproxtaco, now i like emporer more and think primarchs=wusses, of course, even if my bro was evil, probably wouldn't kill him, lol

Opposite opinion to me? Woot!? I can't let this pass!

terranarc wrote:Bet the emperor never gave any of his sons a christmas gift. I'd rebel too.

Unionise!

purplefood wrote:

terranarc wrote:Bet the emperor never gave any of his sons a christmas gift. I'd rebel too.

Unionise!

Exactly!

And then go on strike demanding a better health care coverage for your SM!

What more could you give them? They barely feel pain, are extremely resilient, and are functionally immortal. I for one would like better dental care for them, and better working conditions.

Yes, I think disclosure would have been best. Yes, knowing of Chaos can lead to corruption, but it is extremely naive to think that in the process of conquering the galaxy they wouldn't come across some hint of Chaos.

If he had warned them of the dangers, when encountering Chaos for the first time their thoughts would be, "Oh yeah, these are those deceptive and manipulative forces dear old dad warned me about."

Instead, when they finally encounter the Ruinous Powers (or their agents, as the case may be), their thoughts are, "Holy crap! Dad lied to us about this incredibly important thing! What else has he been lying to us about? What has he been plotting behind our backs as we're kept in the dark as to his clandestine activities on Terra?"

Their ignorance opened the door for the half-truths and mis-directions of the Ruinous Powers to gain purchase and fester in to outright betrayal.


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dajobe wrote:dang, my opinion is opposite of inproxtaco, now i like emporer more and think primarchs=wusses, of course, even if my bro was evil, probably wouldn't kill him, lol

It's EmpErOr, not EmpOrEr.

Well he did tell them enough about Chaos for them to know it was bad.

Nope, that's wrong. He told them literally nothing about Chaos.

you are correct omegus, i will spell emperor correct from now on, and even if he had told em, there are always going to be some bad apples(lorgar and Angron, im talking to you!)

There should have been no bad-apples. They became that way because The Emperor didn't nourish them right.

Durza wrote:Well he did tell them enough about Chaos for them to know it was bad.

No, he told them there is absolutely nothing in the warp, and any crazy monsters that you do see are just xenos trickery to be ignored.

The simple fact of the matter is that, with the exception of the Khan, the Emperor did not buy any of the Primarchs a Pony, and so the galaxy burned.

He bought him a bike.

that is favoritism...many act out violently as a result, as we have all seen here...darn kids

Maybe the Emperor should not have had a son who wanted to deify him. Isn't that what started the whole mess?

Nope. It started when he f**ed over Lorgar.

Shadelkan wrote:Wait, are we counting only earth Christmas, or every Christmas on every planet?

I presume its Space Christmas, happens once a year, in space.


I never read the horus heresy, but I thought that because they were running out of Xenos too krump, they decided too krump each other.

I an extremely simplistic way, that would be correct. It started because Lorgar decided to find a new God, but there were many other contributing factors, such a discontent with how The Imperium was to be governed, by pencil pushers rather than those who did all the hard work.