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This poll was inspired by a thread regarding the use of Chaos Grey knights in warhammer 40k.

If you were offerered a game by someone who claimed to be playing as Chaos Grey knights, would you accept it?

Now there are many people out there who agree that as long as a decent bit of plausable fluff is made to explain it, then Chaos themed Grey knights are acceptable and playable on the TT. Others, including a few Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors, think that the very mention of this subject is heresy and that these radicals should be subject to summary excecution.


Please vote ONLY. There is another thread which discusses this topic here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/376588.page

I'd play them, but I would be distinctly unhappy that they had raped the fluff

Your options do not cover this point.

Purplefood cares no from where the plastic blood flows only that it does...
As long as tiny plastic/resin soldiers are dying i am happy.

What annoys me is when people come onto the forums asking us about it and then not liking the idea and accusing us all of being fluff nazis...

The option I would choose is also not there.

Amended. there is now an option to voice grievance over altered fluff, but your willingness to play.

if i missed anything other than that, please speak up

Yeah, you missed the part where you're allowed to choose the option where you would because it doesn't break established fluff. One such example of fluff compliant "Chaos" Grey Knights is the idea the guy in the other thread had.

If the rules are not changed I do not see a problem with playing them. If the fluff is bad then it's bad. If it's good then it's good. I think everyone is allowed to convert and make up their own fluff as they wish as long as it does not affect the rules.

I'd have no problem with it as long as the player clearly put some thought and effort into modeling it so.

The army should be more than some CSM pressed into service unmodified and unconverted. I'd expect CSM "Grey Knights" to be the elite of the elite, the Darkest of the Dark, the Chaos-eist of Chaos.

I would be fine as long as it wasn't being claimed as Chaos GKs.



if it was Thousand Sons or some other counts as force it would be 100% awsome, but Chaos GKs, posessed dead GKs, or posessed GK armor i would say no.

I wouldnt play if they would be realy mant as Chaos GK.

I'd shake my head, facepalm and giggle at the idea, but I'd still play the army.

Sure. It's exactly the same as playing DA as Chaos, I think. I see that all the time.

except for the fact that there are DAs who have "Fallen" to chaos.

I really dont see what problems people would have. Its just a bunch of grey knights with spikes, still a codexed army

Toastedandy wrote:I really dont see what problems people would have. Its just a bunch of grey knights with spikes, still a codexed army

It's the background people dislike...

I would gladly play the army. I honestly don't understand why someone wouldn't want to play someone, because they decided they wanted to be inventive, and customize their army with the looks and fluff that they desired.

This game is all about inspiring creativity, from Conversions, to Unique Paint jobs, and refusing to play someone because they choose to express their creativity in a way that clashes with the established fluff is beyond silly.

I Know in any gaming circle I've been to, People would more likely shun the person who decided they didn't want to play against the army, more so than the person with the unique army. I think it's just a really dickish move not to play against someone, because you don't like the direction they took their army in, especially if they took a lot of effort into converting and painting it.

I think a bunch of nugrlified grey knights would look awesome on the table.

Sasori wrote:I would gladly play the army. I honestly don't understand why someone wouldn't want to play someone, because they decided they wanted to be inventive, and customize their army with the looks and fluff that they desired.

This game is all about inspiring creativity, from Conversions, to Unique Paint jobs, and refusing to play someone because they choose to express their creativity in a way that clashes with the established fluff is beyond silly.

I Know in any gaming circle I've been to, People would more likely shun the person who decided they didn't want to play against the army, more so than the person with the unique army. I think it's just a really dickish move not to play against someone, because you don't like the direction they took their army in, especially if they took a lot of effort into converting and painting it.

It's compicated...
I don't really mind, in most cases, but there are others that object strongly...

purplefood wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:I really dont see what problems people would have. Its just a bunch of grey knights with spikes, still a codexed army

It's the background people dislike...

Background shmakeground. Whatever makes them happy. Its imposible, totally impossible, but its up to the player, doesnt effect you in anyway.

Toastedandy wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:I really dont see what problems people would have. Its just a bunch of grey knights with spikes, still a codexed army

It's the background people dislike...

Background shmakeground. Whatever makes them happy. Its imposible, totally impossible, but its up to the player, doesnt effect you in anyway.

I have no objections personally it is your army you can do what you like.
The only objection i have is when people start asking about it on the forum and whether it is possible and after being told no they say you i'll do it anyway. The fact they asked implies they care about what we or others think so go figure... that's the only problem i have.

purplefood wrote:
The only objection i have is when people start asking about it on the forum and whether it is possible and after being told no they say you i'll do it anyway. The fact they asked implies they care about what we or others think so go figure... that's the only problem i have.

Oh right, meh happens all the time. "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."

Chaos Grey Knights are a rather stupid concept, but i would usualy see no reason to deny someone a game just because i don't like the fluff behind his/her army.

It does depend really. I mean if you have made the effort to paint and convert a army of chaos terminators each armed with correct weapons and wargear then yeah because to do this is gonna cost a box of G.K and chaos terminators for each troop choice which is not cheap and deserves some respect. But throw down standard unconverted models and claiming they chaos grey knights is just not on.
I play a khrave & barghesi army which counts orks. No one has ever moaned about my army or choice of codex maybe cause people can what i intended with the army (to create my own force of xenos) and that ive put years of effort into them. If you want your counts as army to be accepted you better try the same, to do a slap dash attempt with little or no effort you will come across as someone who just wants to use the flavor of the month codex.

It's a petty thing to refuse to play someone just because their plastic army men have spikes on them, but by the same token, I LIKE the fluff. I even LIKE a lot of the GK fluff. I like the idea that there are these guys who are pure and uncorruptable but have to lurk in the dark recesses doing god-awful things because there's no one else to do it. It's very much so the Dark Hero, and it's a theme that I don't think GW doesn't actually abuse across the board.

Now, for someone to take that story that I enjoy, and amend it to say "nun-uh! They fall to Chaos because it's the beztist. See how bad I am?" And then drop down a GK army painted in black with some CSM Rhino spikes on them, well, that would definitely get on my nerves. It wouldn't keep me from playing that person though. What it WOULD do is insure that I've attempted to remove every last trace of that army from the table. I would give it the most competitive curb stomp I could muster, and let that be my beautiful catharsis. I would then go on with life, feeling slightly more fulfilled. Probably petty too. I never said I wasn't.

On the other hand, if you wanted to make an elite Thousand Son army so you could have psykers that didn't suck, and just used the GK ruleset, still calling them TS, that would be fine.

If you wanted to have cultists back and used the GK ruleset to turn henchmen into cultists, that would be fine. (here's looking at you Alph)

If you even wanted to make up some super-rad "we're the bestest" Space Marine chapter called the Ultraknights that was a bunch of GK models painted blue with white trim and the GK rules? I'd even be okay with that.

The resistance comes from breaking established cannon. Making your own stuff up is fine, just don't fly in the face of what's already set by GW. Otherwise you might as well be a poorly written homoerotic fanfiction crossover between Star Trek, Star Wars, Halo, and 40k.

And you guys don't want to know what Master Chief just did to Kirk.

Depends on what you mean by "Chaos" Grey Knights.

If you mean that they turned to the chaos, were corrupted, whatever, then I'd be pissed at the raping of the fluff.

If you mean using grey knights to make a "counts as" army it'd be different... Though their rules don't fit well to be used as a chaos army anyway (what with all the anti psyker-daemon weaponry), but I guess I could live with that.

Either case I would play, but if you were to insist on the fact that they converted/were turned/corrupted/whatever to chaos I wouldn't enjoy that too much.

I'd play against them no problem. Grey Knights are far from incorruptible. The new fluff has made that very very clear. between wholesale slaughter of innocent witnesses to the murder and blood rituals of allied sisters, and the casual use of daemon weapons thinking "they" know better, the grey knights are clearly on thier way to a fall to chaos. The extreme hubris required to consider yourself incorruptible is one of many weaknesses that lead the original legions to thier fall.

Boomer wrote:It does depend really. I mean if you have made the effort to paint and convert a army of chaos terminators each armed with correct weapons and wargear then yeah because to do this is gonna cost a box of G.K and chaos terminators for each troop choice which is not cheap and deserves some respect. But throw down standard unconverted models and claiming they chaos grey knights is just not on.
I play a khrave & barghesi army which counts orks. No one has ever moaned about my army or choice of codex maybe cause people can what i intended with the army (to create my own force of xenos) and that ive put years of effort into them. If you want your counts as army to be accepted you better try the same, to do a slap dash attempt with little or no effort you will come across as someone who just wants to use the flavor of the month codex.

Man, I think this is kind of funny, but your avatar was used by another member, scrazza about a year ago, and I thought he was posting

Anyway.... to whoever replied to my post. I know that, that's not what the players use them as. They just use chaos models with the DA codex because it's better than the chaos codex

I don't like having two threads open on this topic at once.

You seem to be missing an option from the poll.
As long as you adhere to the rules, you can call your army whatever you want

Brother-Captain-Rawr! wrote:if i missed anything other than that, please speak up

I am missing the option "Burn the Heretic! Woooosh!"