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Right, rather sick of the whole slagging off etc, I felt it was about time those who have actually procured Finecast, to list their experience, so that we can see what the actual experience is, rather than the complaints of those who you know, haven't actually bought any and just want something to whinge about.

I shall start. So far, I have 1 Hive Tyrant, 3 Hive Guard, 2 Pyrovore, 2 Zoanthropes, Nurgle Daemon Prince, 3 Tyrant Guard, 6 Haemonculus, 2 Liche Priests, 1 Tomb King, 2 Necrotects, 30 Wracks, 3 Grotesques, and 10 Incubi in Finecast (inheritance rules!)

In all honesty, the only problems I've had thus far, are 2 Tyrant Guard (one was a messy cast, and the replacement is a mispack) and one of the Liche Priests has a messed up staff. Now as I live literally 5 minutes from my local GW, I'll let you decide whether this is acceptable or not. I'm not that fussed as it's easily swapsied in store.

Now some stuff is yet to be investigated (3 boxes of Wracks, and the Incubi in particular are still shrink wrapped) but overall, I'm pretty happy with it.

So, if you have bought Finecast, list any problems you've had.

So far I've only bought 2 Finecast products, a Warhammer Khorne Lord on foot and a box of Wracks - both have had problems.

The Khorne Lord had numerous holes and miscasts although I was able to fix them. Fortunately the worst bubbles were underneath the model so you can't see them once he's based. The finite details, such as the metal spikes on the axe and shield often had small bubbles on the top and both hands had problems, which I was able to fix to an acceptable standard Also a lot of small details were missing, like teeth on the skulls etc - a lot of people would have sent this back but I'm stubborn

The Wracks were 50/50 - 2 were perfectly fine, the rest had small to moderate issues. The frequent ones being holes in hands and on their 'spine racks' and Finecast material where there shouldn't be any - in their visor holes or arm sockets. I had to scrape these out and one's head I had to scrape back and re-drill holes into it as it looked like a blob. Also the material is fragile and the liquifier gun's tube was snapped in half, a Wrack was free from the sprue and 2 weapons were very loose and actually came off when I clipped them from the sprue. Fortunately the material bonds really well with glue, but I felt I had to glue a lot of areas to strengthen them up (especially on chains). Aside from this I'm enjoying painting the Wracks, the material is great to paint on but for me it has questionable fragility issues.

If you work on Wracks take great care removing mould lines, especially on their spinal backs, make sure you have good purchase on the botton of the area you are trimming, otherwise it'll snap. It's also very easy to carve through areas like the syringe tops etc if you are not careful.

So two purchases, multiple errors - typically around hands and finite details. I found they took just as long, if not longer, than metal to put together, weren't as forgiving and felt really fragile and cheap - I think the more detail, particularly fine details, a model has the more of a problem this material may be to work with.

I haven't tried the Finecast stuff yet, just too much stuff in my to paint box to justify more minis this minute.

I've read a fair bit on the flaws and stuff in Finecast too. They seem to fall into two categories - really easy to fix and return it to GW. With GW being their usual handy selves on returns, I don't really see the need for a metric tonne of complaints.

Only bought one, the Eldar Avatar of Khaine.

Only a flaws are:

*The sword is bent
*Air bubbles on the rune plate on the chest which are hard to fix
*Part of the mould stuck in the shoulder pad spike of the sword arm, came out but had to reshape the tip of the spike.

That was basically it. Took about an hour to prep through due to the huge amount of mould lines, but on the plus side it looks fantastic.

Mr Mystery.
As Finecast is promoted and marketed as 'Highest quality possible, premium product.'
I would suggest ANY flaws are not aceptable.

Simple use of sampling plans to BS 6000 would allow GW plc to determine the level of errors at source.
And as they has relativley few errors in the metal minatures , I assume they used this sort of quality procedure before.
(I have bought over 500 metal minatures from GW and only ever had ONE mis-pack.Not even ONE mis cast.)

So its not that fact that a quantity of Finecast minatures has flaws.

But the fact that the product was released to distributors /retailers KNOWING it was flawed.(This is the only reason I can see for the incresed return rate.)

Because returns do NOT show up in detail on financial reports .
However a delay in shipments , or reduced out put due to rejections for inferior quality generaly do!

Dude, did I say owt about whether or not it's acceptable?

Nope! This thread is about actually listing problem models, and seeing what is actually going on, rather than friend of a friend anecdotes.

I think it is interesting to collect the data. Let's stick with the topic.

I've purchased two finecast items... a Tau Sniper Drone Team and a Chaplain. Both were fine. Most of the blisters I looked at in the store appeared fine.

And for the person who said they purchased 500 metal models that were perfect casts... yeah. I don't believe you. Surely there were mold lines and vent lines. I've never seen a metal GW model that didn't require some sort of prep work. I call that as a hyperbolic statement.

I have not personally bought any yet, but I helped my friend assemble his Finecast hive tyrant and I inspected it closely. I noticed a number of small bubbles on the torso, including some at the end of spikes that would be hard to repair. The only other problem was the amount of mold lines, but they did not obscure the details and came off easily.

Bought a DE Succubus with three glaive parts (two of them were broken and packed anyway?) the model was slightly misaligned (one half of the model was about 1/8" off the other half). Plenty of air bubbles and bits of mold in the hair of the model.

Also bought Lelith, not as bad, but had many air bubbles and bits of mould in the hair. Also a solid chunk of resin was at the side of the face where the ear is supposed to be.

I don't think anyone mentioned the 500 metal models?

Please keep this on track. It's an exercise in proper information gathering. Conclusion can be made in a seperate thread.

I have a Succubus and a Chaplain with jump pack, they are great.
The Succubus had a bubble under her chin, but that disappeared when assembled.
The Chaplain had a few bubbles in his Crozius. Not very big, so it doesn't matter.
Otherwise perfect. I love 'em.

i was going to buy a DE haemonculus, but of the three that were on the shelf, they were all bad quality, so i had a quick skim through some other blisters and found about 40% with noticable defects. I decided to keep my money.

I have brought the Emporers Champion,one tiny bubble under where the back pack sticks on, but no major miscasts. The sword was slightly bent, but that is easily fixed.

I have just finished assembling a unit of Wracks, my first Finecast purchase.

I was very impressed by the quality of all the models appearance and on first glance they all looked just fine.

4 out of the 5 models were absolutely perfect from start to finish and sit primed waiting for the attention of my (rather busy) brush.

On one of them (the two-headed one) had an arm socket filled with resin that required cutting out. There were also a few tiny air holes in his right hand.

His blade also broke off whilst trimming his body. I will make a mental note that, in places, resin is not as strong or supple as the metal and plastic kits respectively. This is more user error than faulty product.

I filled the holes with tiny blobs of pva. His blade was a clean break and was an easy fix. Superglue really holds the resin very well.

All in all the 'maintenance' took about 5 minutes to fix and I'm far happier that my new models are resin rather than metal so my first experience of Finecast is a resounding thumbs-up.

As mentioned by the OP I also live quite close to a GW store so if there ever were any issues in the future it wouldn't really be a biggy for me to get it sorted. I do understand for those that live further away that it could be quite annoying if that were the case. I've heard nothing but good stories so far from GW's customer relations team though with regards to swapping miscasts etc.

Boar

I got to hand it to you Grotsnik, you're White Knighting has reached an all new level of crazy with this thread. You make The Kan look like... me!

Mr Mystery wrote:So, if you have bought Finecast, list any problems you've had.

Yeah I got a problem:

The Failcost Shokk Attack Gun my friend bought didn't have any more detail than the metal version despite GW telling me that Failcost was the greatest human invention since electricity, is made out of a far cheaper material to the metal one, didn't come with two in the box like Mantic's new models, and yet it cost a lot more than the metal one. Why is that?

Mr Mystery wrote:I don't think anyone mentioned the 500 metal models?

Please keep this on track. It's an exercise in proper information gathering. Conclusion can be made in a seperate thread.

You should edit your first post and keep a list of people's results as they say what they purchased.

*100% Fine
*Flawed but decided to keep
*Flawed but decided to return

If people are willing to say they bought two blisters and both were fine, they go in the fine tally. If they had bubbles or bent, it goes in one of the flawed columns.

Quantify the data in the thread for people!

I bought a Big Mek and Painboy and both had no flaws as far as I could see. (they only had 1 of each so I didn't have alternatives to pick from. I inspected for obvious flaws like metal but not too crazy of an inspection prcoess)

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yeah I got a problem:

The Failcost Shokk Attack Gun my friend bought didn't have any more detail than the metal version despite GW telling me that Failcost was the greatest human invention since electricity, is made out of a far cheaper material to the metal one, didn't come with two in the box like Mantic's new models, and yet it cost a lot more than the metal one. Why is that?

Go get a sandectomy instead of de-railing the thread.


Emperors Champion, no defects.
Ghazkull Thraka, one sprue really messed up. Still trying to get my thumb out and go replace it.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I got to hand it to you Grotsnik, you're White Knighting has reached an all new level of crazy with this thread. You make The Kan look like... me! ....says a bunch of other off topic bs.....

Totally irrelevant to the discussion topic.

On topic: Can't give exact numbers, but can list what I have returned to me:

-Azhag with very thin wing membranes and a hole in one wing
-Corteaz with a bubble under the outstretched hand
-Termi librarian with bubble and chip
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hmm, and several more on my desk that I can't recall. Will edit when I get to work.

The closest decent store (LGS) to me is 2 1/2 hours away. There are no GW stores within 400 miles of me. That pretty much means everything I get is ordered online. That being said at this point Finecast is lacking the quality to make it worth ordering. Maybe someday it will be, but not now. Ill stick with metal or plastic.

Anyone who posts data should also say if the models were a completely blind purchase or if several blisters were inspected to find the best cast.

The consensus at my local GW store has been pretty good with finecast. Here is my list of purchases that I have built and addressed so far. I have 5 grotesques, and a few other dark eldar blisters I haven't opened yet so I'm leaving them out for now. Based against what I've been hearing here I feel I've been pretty fortunate. I would say that my experience with finecast has been good. I love the look and weight of the models in resin, and I've found them to be much easier to work with.

*EDIT* As someone posted while I was typing, I will mention these were blind purchases in the respect that I grabbed the first blister or box off the shelf and bought it. *End Edit*

The Good

Inquisitor Coteaz- perfect
Castellan Crowe- perfect cast: sword bent but fixed in a couple of minutes
Marneus Calgar and honor guard- all models fine
Lord Commisar- model fine but lots of flash
Dante- perfect
Astroath- perfect

The Fixable Bad

Terminator librarian: Thin cloak in parts, you can see light through parts of it. air bubble created a hole in part of the cable connecting the force staff. miscast on foot that took a bit of filing and sculpting. To me this model meets the absolute minimum standard of a model I would keep. Anything else and I would have returned it

Dark Eldar Wracks (2 boxes) I opened these up and found that one has a blade hanging from a chain on his back that has had the handle simply not casted along with the blade so its like a big piece of flash stuck to the cloak. I can cut it off and file it smooth. It's a small detail. another one had a huge fail but fortunately its confined to the bottom side of the cloak. The cloak's shape is fully intact and the failure is not on a part of the model that would be viewed from any angle unless you flip it upside down and even then it may be concealed by the base. I will fill it and move on.

The Unacceptable:

The Green Knight: A major failure along the cloak on one of his shoulders leaving a relative canyon of missing sculpt on flowing fabric on the most visible portion of the model from the table top perspective. I will be returning it asap.

Of course this is all anecdotal too, as some people may not spot a flaw and thus report a flawed cast as perfect.

So pointless thread too really.

Imperial Commissar Lord and Space Marine Terminator Librarian were both great, average mould lines, only one bubble on the commissar which was under the left foot. I was surprised that the termie was in such good shape, including the ammo belt on the included storm bolter.

Big P wrote:Of course this is all anecdotal too, as some people may not spot a flaw and thus report a flawed cast as perfect.

So pointless thread too really.

Oh dear. Not a great first post. Of course this is still largely anecdotal, but first hand experience trumps 'friend of a friend read on a website that somewhere this happened' no?

Everyone stick to the topic or moderators will have to take serious action!

Only 3 Finecast purchases here.

Lelith, DE Succubus and Malagor. Only flaws on any of them were excessive flash, or what I created with over zealous trimming. I got some more finecast purchases lined up hopefully this week, so I'll add more to this thread as I get them.

I bought some incubi and the only noticeable flaws are that some of the fingers are slightly offset.

My biggest complaint is that on a warm summers day the weapons are rubbery. I may buy more finecast sometime, but only after careful consideration.

This is the sum of my finecast purchases:

Brother-Captain Stern: a very small bubble at the tip of the nose. One moment with a knife to take off the jutting tip and it just looks like he got hit in the face a lot. The thin part of his heraldry shield was also so thin it was translucent but this wasn't even noticeable after it was glued onto the post that holds it. This was the best blister in the GW shop.

Tankbustas: Most have least one 1mm x 2mm or larger bubble somewhere on an arm, gun handle, or hand. All noticeable. 4 such errors. Bomb-squiqs, nob, and the tankhamma guy were fine. This box was just grabbed off the shelf. Wasn't bothered enough by the bubbles to go to the effort of swapping them.

Painboy: the tip of his syringe is covered in flash and there's a tiny bubble on the edge of his meat cleaver. the grot is fine. Only blister left in the shop at the time.


In short: Stern and the painboy have tiny, almost unnoticeable issues. I didn't even catch the nose until someone in the comparison thread on here saw it in the pictures. The tankbustas have bigger holes in them.

I purchased the Lelith model directly from GW online. Mr Wells hand delivered the package. Once the blister was opened, Mr. Wells let me borrow his sunglasses as the divine radiance would blind a mere mortal, I could tell it was perfection. Nonetheless Jes was on hand to take care of any minor imperfections with GS. After that a member of the 'Eavy Metal team painted the model to my exact specifications. All in all, not a bad purchase for $18.25 US.