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What do you think counts as "cheesey"?? Is Cheese actually OK...or not???

Generally any list that spams any one unit and over and over again, such as a Marine army with 6 lascannon/twin linked plasma gun razorbacks each with a 5 man squad of Marines with a powerfist and combi melta with 3 squads of TH/SS Terminators and some token HQ. Alternately, the mechvet Guard army with just veteran guardsmen with 3 meltas each, two company command squads with 4 meltas each, all loaded in Chimeras or Vendettas, with as many points put into Vendettas as possible.

As for actual cheesy play, like rules interpretations - that's very situational and changes from person to person.

Brother SRM wrote:Generally any list that spams any one unit and over and over again, such as a Marine army with 6 lascannon/twin linked plasma gun razorbacks each with a 5 man squad of Marines with a powerfist and combi melta with 3 squads of TH/SS Terminators and some token HQ. Alternately, the mechvet Guard army with just veteran guardsmen with 3 meltas each, two company command squads with 4 meltas each, all loaded in Chimeras or Vendettas, with as many points put into Vendettas as possible.

In your opinion.

That's the problem. Cheesy is subjective and not particularly productive.

And do we really need another one of these threads?

Sorry if we've had loads of theses recently.....I havn't really been paying attention

:/

It's basically anything that someone considers underhanded tactics. Combinations that may be overpowered to them stuff like that.

Oh, I know what cheesy "means" in this context. Seeing as this is subjective, I wanted to know what You consider to be cheesey, and whether you have a problem with it..

A list that entirely flows around just spamming two or three no brainer units that easily show their superiority to whatever you can field for that cost.

Brother SRM wrote:Generally any list that spams any one unit and over and over again, such as a Marine army with 6 lascannon/twin linked plasma gun razorbacks each with a 5 man squad of Marines with a powerfist and combi melta with 3 squads of TH/SS Terminators and some token HQ. Alternately, the mechvet Guard army with just veteran guardsmen with 3 meltas each, two company command squads with 4 meltas each, all loaded in Chimeras or Vendettas, with as many points put into Vendettas as possible.

Gotcha, legal armies are now "cheesy".

Anything from the Space Wolves codex

DarknessEternal wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:Generally any list that spams any one unit and over and over again, such as a Marine army with 6 lascannon/twin linked plasma gun razorbacks each with a 5 man squad of Marines with a powerfist and combi melta with 3 squads of TH/SS Terminators and some token HQ. Alternately, the mechvet Guard army with just veteran guardsmen with 3 meltas each, two company command squads with 4 meltas each, all loaded in Chimeras or Vendettas, with as many points put into Vendettas as possible.

Gotcha, legal armies are now "cheesy".

Cheese armies are generally legal builds. Illegal armies are generally cheating, ignorance, or a special scenario.

The Gray Knight Codex lol

Deadly Hitman51 wrote:The Gray Knight Codex lol

Hitler would disagree http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLhDf7XdgQc

My 500 point army

2 Deff dreads w/ 2 KMB ea,
SAG Mek,
KFF Mek,
Killa kan w/KMB

fill the deficit with options, starting with grot riggers, then plates, than whatever else.

Or a Deffrolla rush. dont know the points, but it totals 8 deffrollas... 5 nob squads, 1 BW each, 2 Warbosses, 3 BW, fill to Points.

Njal

5 Wolf Guard Termies, CML
5 Wolf Guard Termies, CML

5 Grey Hunters, Meltagun, Las/Plas Razorback
5 Grey Hunters, Meltagun, Las/Plas Razorback
5 Grey Hunters, Meltagun, Las/Plas Razorback
5 Grey Hunters, Meltagun, Las/Plas Razorback
5 Grey Hunters, Meltagun, Las/Plas Razorback

5 Long Fangs, 4 ML, Las/Plas Razorback
5 Long Fangs, 4 ML, Las/Plas Razorback
5 Long Fangs, 4 ML, Las/Plas Razorback

*inhales*...Yep.

Mr. Self Destruct wrote:Njal

5 Wolf Guard Termies, CML
5 Wolf Guard Termies, CML

5 Grey Hunters, Meltagun, Las/Plas Razorback
5 Grey Hunters, Meltagun, Las/Plas Razorback
5 Grey Hunters, Meltagun, Las/Plas Razorback
5 Grey Hunters, Meltagun, Las/Plas Razorback
5 Grey Hunters, Meltagun, Las/Plas Razorback

5 Long Fangs, 4 ML, Las/Plas Razorback
5 Long Fangs, 4 ML, Las/Plas Razorback
5 Long Fangs, 4 ML, Las/Plas Razorback

*inhales*...Yep.

Evidently cheesy does not equal a good list. lol

I see those spammy lists and usually think that this person isn't a very good player.

It's a balanced list across the table that worries me.

There is no cheese.

Monster Rain wrote:I see those spammy lists and usually think that this person isn't a very good player.

It's a balanced list across the table that worries me.

I agree, from my experience armies that use a range of different squads together is more intimidating, and fights better. For instance, Necron armies that use all the squads available to them in large numbers work like enormous clockwork when used well, every squad just works with each other. I know it's a bad example as Necrons have been nerfed, but if when they're re-released they follow the same system, boy... They'll destroy everything.

dmthomas7 wrote:

Deadly Hitman51 wrote:The Gray Knight Codex lol

Hitler would disagree http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLhDf7XdgQc

Lol hilarious

the space wolves example is a good example, but i agree that facing a balanced list is more worrying than spam, the lords of the dice hate cheese flavoured spam

This:

Kroothawk wrote:This:

Someone has too much time on his hands when you start making Warhammer minis out of food products

Cheese will be a term, that a person will use who wished to take bad units, call them "fluffy" then wish take the blame off of them seleves for ineffective army composition, rather than face the fact there are units just better than others.

Kroothawk wrote:This:

its times like this where i wish i could quote pictures

jacetms87 wrote:Cheese will be a term, that a person will use who wished to take bad units, call them "fluffy" then wish take the blame off of them seleves for ineffective army composition, rather than face the fact there are units just better than others.

Which makes it all the more hilarious when the person that takes "ineffective" units pounds some humbleness into the other guy because he thought his "better" army would substitute his lack of skills.

jacetms87 wrote:Cheese will be a term, that a person will use who wished to take bad units, call them "fluffy" then wish take the blame off of them seleves for ineffective army composition, rather than face the fact there are units just better than others.

You can't tell me half of the "power lists" are A) Fun to use, B) Tactically flexible, and C) Just better than the others.

People who rely on those spammy lists (like the Fzorgle CSM lists....) make me puke!

Murrdox wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:This:

Someone has too much time on his hands when you start making Warhammer minis out of food products

Being a proffesional cake decorator, I beg to differ. Rhino cakes are awesome

It really depends on the context of the game.

If you're playing in a Tourney, especially 'Ard Boyz level, there is nothing that is cheesy. You play to win, even if that involves spamming some OP unit.
If you're playing a pickup game in a FLGS, using a list taken right of the net is cheesy. You need to add a bit of your own flare to it.
If you're playing against some local friends, who enjoy fluffy lists, or who focus on getting cool looking models, taking a "competitive" level list is cheesy. Fun>Winning in this case.

Brother SRM wrote:Generally any list that spams any one unit and over and over again, such as a Marine army with 6 lascannon/twin linked plasma gun razorbacks each with a 5 man squad of Marines with a powerfist and combi melta with 3 squads of TH/SS Terminators and some token HQ. Alternately, the mechvet Guard army with just veteran guardsmen with 3 meltas each, two company command squads with 4 meltas each, all loaded in Chimeras or Vendettas, with as many points put into Vendettas as possible.

As for actual cheesy play, like rules interpretations - that's very situational and changes from person to person.

Or a Tyranid army that has 5 Tervigons. Like when I feel like spamming.

Cheese to me would be taking advantage of rule wordings or stretching the rules. For example, I played an IG player who put his guys in a "checkered formation". there are two squads and the numbers represent soldiers from these squads. Technicly half the squad is obscured for both of them, so they both get a 4+ cover save even though they are in the open.
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