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2011/08/20 12:16:03
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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2011/08/20 13:53:48
Subject: Re:Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Interesting.
In No.2 he wants you to trust politicians when it comes to implimenting the rule of law. These will be the same politicians that make most of their choices based on what's best for their voters? Their parties voters? The businesses in his region? Or the lobbyists? Nice.
No. 7 & 8. Great to see that he's got the same blinkered outlook that Islam does. "it's the word of God and he knew what he was talking about 3,000 years ago" ... so no flexibility or development then on that front, sheesh.
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2011/08/20 13:56:48
Subject: Re:Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Fixture of Dakka
On a boat, Trying not to die.
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Well, I now want to beat Rick Perry with a truncheon. Not that I didn't want to before, but now it's even stronger.
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2011/08/20 14:17:24
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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What does Federal Income Tax pay for? I assume stuff like the FBI, the military, wages of congress and the senate, national programs like Medicare?
Just curious, as in many ways I can see the argument for individual states controlling as much as possible to give a more "fine grained" democracy that might be more sensitive to local needs. I get that some things are better not being handled at a state level though.
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2011/08/20 14:42:09
Subject: Re:Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Not fond of the chap for a few of those points I must say.
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Prestor Jon wrote:Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
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2011/08/20 14:43:47
Subject: Re:Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Fixture of Dakka
On a boat, Trying not to die.
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MrDwhitey wrote:Not fond of the chap for a few of those points I must say.
Understatement of the century, right here, folks.
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2011/08/20 14:52:04
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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Apparently he's got 20% support as a nominee though.
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2011/08/20 15:02:57
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Lord of the Fleet
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Rep: "We're tired of Obama"
Dem: "Ok, so who do you got?"
Rep: "...The gov of texas?"
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2011/08/20 15:08:23
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Fixture of Dakka
On a boat, Trying not to die.
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Da Boss wrote:Apparently he's got 20% support as a nominee though.
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2011/08/20 15:12:13
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Fixture of Dakka
Manchester UK
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Forgive me if I'm being a bit thick, but if federal spending was capped at 20% GDP, what would happen in the case of a major catastrophe such as another world war, hell, another moderately-sized war, for that matter? Seems a little short-sighted, if you ask me.
Also, he seems to be broadly in favour of states rights, yet wants to make massive sweeping decisions at federal level that would greatly impact people's personal liberties. Also, his stance on abortion and gay marriage amounts to the establishment of a state religion.
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I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.
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2011/08/20 15:12:31
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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He's leading the field, according to the article I read. The next closest nominee has 18%.
It's early days yet. Anyway, surely the Dems want a scary extremist to be the nominee for the republicans, to scare the moderates over to them?
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2011/08/20 15:15:37
Subject: Re:Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Fixture of Dakka
Kamloops, BC
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His views on abortion disappoint me. 
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2011/08/20 15:17:07
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Ancient Ultramarine Venerable Dreadnought
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His views on gay marriage disappoint me.
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2011/08/20 15:21:46
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Fixture of Dakka
Kamloops, BC
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coolyo294 wrote:His views on gay marriage disappoint me.
That too, but also isn't scrapping income tax a bad idea?  Couldn't it be used to put Amurica out of recession?
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2011/08/20 15:52:35
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Ah, so the world learns what Texas has known for a while now, Rick Perry is a highly corrupt extreme right wing hypocrite. It's just such a pity that he's still loved despite it because the Texas political arena is full of people just like him.
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2011/08/20 15:57:56
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Fixture of Dakka
On a boat, Trying not to die.
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Melissia wrote:Ah, so the world learns what Texas has known for a while now, Rick Perry is a highly corrupt extreme right wing hypocrite. It's just such a pity that he's still loved despite it because the Texas political arena is full of people just like him.
Gonna take a shot in the dark and say you don't like him.
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2011/08/20 16:00:24
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Warplord Titan Princeps of Tzeentch
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While I don't agree with all of the points, I like how he proposes amending the Constitution or giving power to the Congress.
Better than the current strategy of ignoring both.
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2011/08/20 16:00:52
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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I wouldn't say I really like any member of the Texas republican party. considering they pretty much stay in power by manipulating redistricting to ridiculous extremes rather than by appealing to the voter. Automatically Appended Next Post: biccat wrote:While I don't agree with all of the points, I like how he proposes amending the Constitution or giving power to the Congress.
Better than the current strategy of ignoring both.
Congress is currently the most powerful of the three branches. I hardly think we need to give MORE power to them, not like they're competent enough to do anything with it anyway.
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2011/08/20 18:12:25
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Fixture of Dakka
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Melissia wrote:Ah, so the world learns what Texas has known for a while now, Rick Perry is a highly corrupt extreme right wing hypocrite. It's just such a pity that he's still loved despite it because the Texas political arena is full of people just like him.
Two things for me. Can you believe he was a Dem that supported Al Gore at one point? and the whole Guardasil vaccination fail. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/06/04/rick_perrys_gardasil_problem_110089.html
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2011/08/20 18:19:05
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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I'm finding it hard to reconcile the logic that Congress == Bad with Congress+Overturning judges' decisions == Good.
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2011/08/20 18:20:35
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Fixture of Dakka
Manchester UK
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Kilkrazy wrote:I'm finding it hard to reconcile the logic that Congress == Bad with Congress+Overturning judges' decisions == Good.
Yeah, 'big government is bad, so we should give them more power' as a line of policy is.... Different.
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Cheesecat wrote:
I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.
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2011/08/20 18:23:41
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Mesopotamia. The Kingdom Where we Secretly Reign.
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I suppose the logic behind it is that Congress more directly represents the people, being reelected every few years, than a judge that is in their position for life.
Still, I don't really see why he'd think that Congress would vote the way he thinks they should on every issue.
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2011/08/20 18:36:09
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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What's the logic of not allowing people to elect senators directly, by which they most directly represent the people?
Possibly hoi polloi have a habit of electing the wrong kind of senators.
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2011/08/20 18:44:19
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Mesopotamia. The Kingdom Where we Secretly Reign.
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Kilkrazy wrote:What's the logic of not allowing people to elect senators directly, by which they most directly represent the people?
I suppose if the House directly represents the people, they'll pick the Senators that the people would most likely want? That might be what he's thinking, I don't know...
Kilkrazy wrote:Possibly hoi polloi have a habit of electing the wrong kind of senators.
Why stop at Senators? 
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2011/08/20 19:35:20
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Warplord Titan Princeps of Tzeentch
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Kilkrazy wrote:What's the logic of not allowing people to elect senators directly, by which they most directly represent the people?
Possibly hoi polloi have a habit of electing the wrong kind of senators.
The original rationale for allowing states (through their legislatures) to appoint Senators was to provide for a house that represents the interests of the states. The House is the body that is charged with representing the interests of the people, the Senate was supposed to represent the states. Keep in mind, the 17th Amendment wasn't adopted until 1913. The Union survived reasonably well up until that point.
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2011/08/20 19:37:14
Subject: Re:Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Chowderhead wrote:Understatement of the century, right here, folks.
British. It's what we do. Though apparently I'm American according to my icon.
Cheesecat wrote:His views on abortion disappoint me.
coolyo294 wrote:His views on gay marriage disappoint me.
His views disappoint me.
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Prestor Jon wrote:Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
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2011/08/20 20:04:38
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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Chowderhead wrote:Da Boss wrote:Apparently he's got 20% support as a nominee though.
You obviously haven't seen Palin's popularity. It make you want to leave the solar system
biccat wrote: for allowing states (through their legislatures) to appoint Senators was to provide for a house that represents the interests of the states. The House is the body that is charged with representing the interests of the people, the Senate was supposed to represent the states.
Keep in mind, the 17th Amendment wasn't adopted until 1913. The Union survived reasonably well up until that point.
Also to keep the 'mob' in check. I actually think a huge problem in the US is that politicians are overly sensitive to an extremely diverse and fickle populace that never knows what's actually in its own interests. A lot of people never learn that the Founding Father's hated democracy and in their minds were not creating one. It's funny how 200 so years changes the outlook of some folks
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2011/08/20 20:13:26
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Phanobi
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i agree with 6 and 7. the others i don't or don't know enough about to decide.
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2011/08/20 20:15:42
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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lord commissar klimino wrote:i agree with 6 and 7. the others i don't or don't know enough about to decide.
I actually found 6 and 7 surprising. I was under the impression he was one of them let the states choose folks.
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2011/08/20 20:15:44
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
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[MOD]
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Somewhere in south-central England.
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biccat wrote:Kilkrazy wrote:What's the logic of not allowing people to elect senators directly, by which they most directly represent the people?
Possibly hoi polloi have a habit of electing the wrong kind of senators.
The original rationale for allowing states (through their legislatures) to appoint Senators was to provide for a house that represents the interests of the states. The House is the body that is charged with representing the interests of the people, the Senate was supposed to represent the states.
Keep in mind, the 17th Amendment wasn't adopted until 1913. The Union survived reasonably well up until that point.
Yes, only one major civil war.
Rick Perry's thinking would seem to be not that government per se is bad but that the federal government is bad and state government is good.
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