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MrDwhitey wrote:Would it be so wrong for marriage, the religious thing, to grant zero rights for the couple, and be given or not given to whoever the church wants. However, for rights to be granted, people would need a civil ceremony which any combination of sexes could use?

umm..sorry...what? not trying to be rude or mean,but i dont understand!

As it is, marriage grants legal rights. So married couples have certain legal rights.
Gay couples who are living together cannot access those rights without being able to access marriage.

Da Boss wrote:As it is, marriage grants legal rights. So married couples have certain legal rights.
Gay couples who are living together cannot access those rights without being able to access marriage.

hate to sound like a <insert word meaning snooty or whatever>,but then that sucks for them.

i know back when i was a kid these were not as big of issues.maybe im just stuck in a past world,and if i am well then,ill look at all of you in your new world,look at mine,notice how it was a good world,and say buggers to your new world.

Rick Perry is big on States rights, so I imagine that some of these views are to reel in the conservative vote. We've seen something of this nature in every election

And to Lord Commissar Kilmono, No offense, but you are pretty young, and you'll learn as you get older that "Morals" change with life experience, and knowledge. You'll start to see things in a shade of grey a lot more often than black and white.

Well, enjoy your homophobia and biggotry! Hope they've already dealt with smallpox back in past world, and corporal punishment isn't still in vogue.

Sasori: Yeah, bloody true. I always find that having any sort of ethical debate with the kids- they believe in absolute right and wrong, and it takes a long time for them to get any acceptance of ambiguity. Then they go through what I like to call the "bitter 18-20 year old phase" which can actually last to your mid twenties before moving on a little.

When I was a teenager I said some pretty stupid stuff too.

I still do now, but at least I try not to be proud of it.

On one hand I can kinda see where this guy is coming from with his suggestions...

On the other hand the adage that "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." Applies here. I don't think he's thought completely about what kind of things could happen if (God forbid) all of those changes were made...maybe he doesn't really care...or maybe like a lot of politicians he's just saying those things to get votes...

Either way, it doesn't matter, I sincerely doubt such huge changes will be made any time soon to the Constitution, most of them are easily unconstitutional as it stands...

I'm not going to go into my opinions on Gay marriage and abortion here because it would just cause more arguments but I can tell you that a constitutional ban on either has a snowball's chance in hell of happening and staying around for long...

He sounds like a crazier version of Ron Paul in some regards, at least Paul had the guts to admit he didn't like abortion or SSM, but it wasn't the .fed's job nor business to decide if it was legal or not.

One or two of these I can kinda get behind, but he's to much of a hypocrit to ever even consider voting for "State good, Fed bad! As soon as I get a chance I'm going to outlaw a bunch of crap because my holy book says it's naughty!"

Sounds like a nut job, hopefully he doesn't make it very far, but then again not a huge fan of any of the GOP guys right now, nor the current guy, so we'll see next year.

I agree 100% with klimino , being gay is unatural and quite sick i also try to avoide gays. As for abortions ....how would you like to be killed before you were even born and not even given the chance to live. Even if you dont know your mother and father , if the sperm entered the egg even if its not concious the seed has been planted and removing it IS killing that person.And that is murder!
My opinion is becaus i was brougt up in a normal family a normal mother and father and normal brothers and sister and anyone who says other wise is wierd.

Sasori wrote:And to Lord Commissar Kilmono, No offense, but you are pretty young, and you'll learn as you get older that "Morals" change with life experience, and knowledge. You'll start to see things in a shade of grey a lot more often than black and white.

probably not actually. while i believe there is a gray area,i think somethings will always be black and some will always be white.

Da Boss wrote:Well, enjoy your homophobia and biggotry! Hope they've already dealt with smallpox back in past world, and corporal punishment isn't still in vogue.

we have,don't worry

MrDwhitey wrote:When I was a teenager I said some pretty stupid stuff too.

I still do now, but at least I try not to be proud of it.

meh, im a stubborn little guy. i dont care about my own pride much,all i care about is my views. im usually the sit in the corner alone guy,although i enjoy it unlike most.you learn alot in that corner those who never are there will never learn.

o0shotty0o wrote:I agree 100% with klimino , being gay is unatural and quite sick i also try to avoide gays. As for abortions ....how would you like to be killed before you were even born and not even given the chance to live. Even if you dont know your mother and father , if the sperm entered the egg even if its not concious the seed has been planted and removing it IS killing that person.And that is murder!
My opinion is becaus i was brougt up in a normal family a normal mother and father and normal brothers and sister and anyone who says other wise is wierd.

Sure. By normal, do you mean in a god fearing Christian house where Fox News was played via loudspeaker every hour of every day?

Because I think Mr. Cannerus would like to have a word with you.

lord commissar klimino wrote:

Da Boss wrote:As it is, marriage grants legal rights. So married couples have certain legal rights.
Gay couples who are living together cannot access those rights without being able to access marriage.

hate to sound like a <insert word meaning snooty or whatever>,but then that sucks for them.

i know back when i was a kid these were not as big of issues.maybe im just stuck in a past world,and if i am well then,ill look at all of you in your new world,look at mine,notice how it was a good world,and say buggers to your new world.

They were always big issues. You were just never aware of intelligent enough as a child to understand them.

o0shotty0o wrote:I agree 100% with klimino , being gay is unatural and quite sick i also try to avoide gays.

Consider this:

Man is born of nature, and his nuances and actions are governed by his nature.
Thus, what man does is entirely natural, no matter what he does or what he creates.
Therefore, homosexuality is natural.

Maybe you'll understand when one of your friends turns out to be gay.

As for abortions ....how would you like to be killed before you were even born and not even given the chance to live. Even if you dont know your mother and father , if the sperm entered the egg even if its not concious the seed has been planted and removing it IS killing that person.And that is murder!

It's like every time I jack off I'm causing my own personal holocaust.

My opinion is becaus i was brougt up in a normal family a normal mother and father and normal brothers and sister and anyone who says other wise is wierd.

It saddens me if normal families are as close-minded as your own.

Chowderhead wrote:

o0shotty0o wrote:I agree 100% with klimino , being gay is unatural and quite sick i also try to avoide gays. As for abortions ....how would you like to be killed before you were even born and not even given the chance to live. Even if you dont know your mother and father , if the sperm entered the egg even if its not concious the seed has been planted and removing it IS killing that person.And that is murder!
My opinion is becaus i was brougt up in a normal family a normal mother and father and normal brothers and sister and anyone who says other wise is wierd.

Sure. By normal, do you mean in a god fearing Christian house where Fox News was played via loudspeaker every hour of every day?

Because I think Mr. Cannerus would like to have a word with you.

Would that be a word on a piece of paper wrapped around a brick?

As to the two:

Fafnir wrote:It's like every time I jack off I'm causing my own personal holocaust.

My god, men are monsters!

Chowderhead wrote:

o0shotty0o wrote:I agree 100% with klimino , being gay is unatural and quite sick i also try to avoide gays. As for abortions ....how would you like to be killed before you were even born and not even given the chance to live. Even if you dont know your mother and father , if the sperm entered the egg even if its not concious the seed has been planted and removing it IS killing that person.And that is murder!
My opinion is becaus i was brougt up in a normal family a normal mother and father and normal brothers and sister and anyone who says other wise is wierd.

Sure. By normal, do you mean in a god fearing Christian house where Fox News was played via loudspeaker every hour of every day?

Because I think Mr. Cannerus would like to have a word with you.

Christians get undermined too much. like EVERYTHING they are stereotyped.

as for cannerus,depends on what you mean by 'word'. i think he is a pretty nice guy,just wouldn't date him or like him hitting on me. more so are age difference actually.

Chowderhead wrote:

o0shotty0o wrote:I agree 100% with klimino , being gay is unatural and quite sick i also try to avoide gays. As for abortions ....how would you like to be killed before you were even born and not even given the chance to live. Even if you dont know your mother and father , if the sperm entered the egg even if its not concious the seed has been planted and removing it IS killing that person.And that is murder!
My opinion is becaus i was brougt up in a normal family a normal mother and father and normal brothers and sister and anyone who says other wise is wierd.

Sure. By normal, do you mean in a god fearing Christian house where Fox News was played via loudspeaker every hour of every day?

Because I think Mr. Cannerus would like to have a word with you.

No actully my religion is islam, are you going to insult me for being a musil in your next post ? I am not a strict muslim, i dont pray or go to mosques even though ide like to , i just dont have the time for it , in fact im caucasion my mother is english , its my father who is muslim , i get ready everyday and go out with frainds and go out with girls and party on the weekends so im sorry to burst you bubble mate but i am normal.

Fafnir, Chowder, you do know that a sperm contains only half the genetic code required to produce a full person, right?
And Fafnir, your macro is nice and all but it's not a very strong argument.
Just admit you're okay with the legal killing of barely developed babies you don't know. You're probably okay with killing lots of other people, this is just another type to add to the list.

lord commissar klimino wrote:
probably not actually. while i believe there is a gray area,i think somethings will always be black and some will always be white.

So black is good and white is evil?

Dogma, careful. We don't want to blow any minds.

Meh morals and normalcy are relative.

dogma wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:
probably not actually. while i believe there is a gray area,i think somethings will always be black and some will always be white.

So black is good and white is evil?

you trollin? or just colorblind?

black is bad,white is good.

o0shotty0o wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:

o0shotty0o wrote:I agree 100% with klimino , being gay is unatural and quite sick i also try to avoide gays. As for abortions ....how would you like to be killed before you were even born and not even given the chance to live. Even if you dont know your mother and father , if the sperm entered the egg even if its not concious the seed has been planted and removing it IS killing that person.And that is murder!
My opinion is becaus i was brougt up in a normal family a normal mother and father and normal brothers and sister and anyone who says other wise is wierd.

Sure. By normal, do you mean in a god fearing Christian house where Fox News was played via loudspeaker every hour of every day?

Because I think Mr. Cannerus would like to have a word with you.

No actully my religion is islam, are you going to insult me for being a musil in your next post ? I am not a strict muslim, i dont pray or go to mosques even though ide like to , i just dont have the time for it , in fact im caucasion my mother is english , its my father who is muslim , i get ready everyday and go out with frainds and go out with girls and party on the weekends so im sorry to burst you bubble mate but i am normal.

You know, that's fine. I applaud you for being a Muslim at such a time where the average Muslim is being stereotyped and such.

However, that does not excuse the rampant homophobia that you show. Why do you hate gay people? Because Romans and Greeks had no problem with gays. And seeing as how you are French, and your system of government is based on the US, which in turn is based on the Greeco-Roman systems, then you should be accepting of gays. Why, just today, I had a gay couple sit next to me during the Red Bull Cliff Diving event. They did no harm to me or my friends, they did not hit on me, and they did not have lewd acts in public. They were simply in love. What's wrong with love?

I guess my argument boils down to a sentence. If you hate gays (Not gay marriage, that is a different argument) then you hate the idea of love and the idea of freedom. I'm going to play that card.

Your move, Shotty!

Freedom also means the freedom to hate whoever you want, Chowder.

Da Boss wrote:Freedom also means the freedom to hate whoever you want, Chowder.

Yes it does. Freedom means a lot of things. However, an infringement of freedom via an act of freedom is wrong, and can lead down a dark road, IMHO

I'm also a bit passionate about Gay Rights, for some reason. No idea why. I just feel that a human (A Egg/Sperm concoction is not a human, FYI) is having his unalienable rights stripped from him, I should do something. Gays, minorities, women, etc.

This thread is going nowhere good, I can tell you that.

I'm not against Abortion or Gay Marriage at all, and one of them has saved my life.

Chowderhead wrote:I guess my argument boils down to a sentence. If you hate gays (Not gay marriage, that is a different argument) then you hate the idea of love and the idea of freedom. I'm going to play that card.

well im going against gay marriage so and even if you hate them,which i don't,that doesn't mean your against freedom.its your freedom to not have to see 2 guys all googly over each other when you leave the house. it is saying something against love i guess. not going to add ANOTHER multi-sided side to this behemoth of an argument.

We're all so scared of the argument, like we couldn't face it without becoming werewolves or something.

lord commissar klimino wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:I guess my argument boils down to a sentence. If you hate gays (Not gay marriage, that is a different argument) then you hate the idea of love and the idea of freedom. I'm going to play that card.

well im going against gay marriage so and even if you hate them,which i don't,that doesn't mean your against freedom.its your freedom to not have to see 2 guys all googly over each other when you leave the house. it is saying something against love i guess. not going to add ANOTHER multi-sided side to this behemoth of an argument.

That's like saying laws against murder impinge on my freedom to kill people...

PS. I am drinking.

PPS. Touché chowder, I was hoping you'd make the freedom to impinge the freedom of others argument. Chaotic evil baby.

well im going against gay marriage so and even if you hate them,which i don't,that doesn't mean your against freedom.its your freedom to not have to see 2 guys all googly over each other when you leave the house. it is saying something against love i guess. not going to add ANOTHER multi-sided side to this behemoth of an argument.

How do you think a gay guy feels about seeing a man and a woman make out?! What about his feelings?

Oh wait, he probably doesn't care, as he isn't incredibly insecure/childish (YMMVDOYLGC).

I think I need to drink myself to sleep now, but I've done my annual whiskey soak already.

When did the degrade into another argument about gay's and abortion?

And, if it's your freedom to not see two dudes going at it, what about a dude and a girl going at it? What about their freedom to do as they please? If you don't like something...don't look at it, the last thing we need is more government oversight on what's "good" for us, unless your into that big brother please take care of my Mr. Government because I'm incapable of living my own life crap.