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i have a few quick questions about them:

are some models still in production?

how much time would it take to make one?

is it disassembled all together to fit in naval ships that cant fit in there otherwise?

Another question, do they have weapons to take out outer atmosphere aircraft/spacecraft?

1) Yes.
2) A decade, IMO.
3) I believe the Mechanicus has its own craft to carry Titans around.

Newabortion wrote:Another question, do they have weapons to take out outer atmosphere aircraft/spacecraft?

some do but i believe they are rare

I honestly don't know if new titans are in production. I know they are repaired and most are quite ancient.

How long it takes would depend on the titan I would imagine. A Warlord may very well take a long time to produce, but I don't know that they do.

I know it takes decades to build the larger starships in the Imperial fleet, but they're absolutely massive.

I don't have a page number but I think Titanicus calls out 4? forgeworlds that still produce them, I could just be talking out of my ass though.

btw, thanks Scorpionov

I'm sure they could be modified to take out space craft, if the Mechanicus wanted to. But as that is not good for the whole technology mythos, they don't.

edit - read that totally wrong

Scorpionov wrote:
are some models still in production?

All are.

how much time would it take to make one?

From Years to Centuries.

is it disassembled all together to fit in naval ships that cant fit in there otherwise?

They transport them as they are. They don't disassemble them.

if your looking to buy a model, try forge world.

as for the taking out of craft in low orbit... well they can mount ICBMs and huge missle batteries so i dont see why not.

Newabortion wrote:I don't have a page number but I think Titanicus calls out 4? forgeworlds that still produce them, I could just be talking out of my ass though.

btw, thanks Scorpionov

Hrem, I think you are actually talking out of your ass.

Titans are still in production on dozens of FW in the Imperium. For each loyalist titan legion in the Galaxy, there is a FW producing titans. However, building a new titan is a long and arduous process.

No specific number was given concerning the duration of a titan's construction but it takes years, if not centuries for the biggest models (as said Coa). Keep in mind that the biggest pattern of Titan, the Emperor, is no longer produced in the galaxy.

Since the AdMech does not obey Guilliman's censure on spacecrafts (the edict separating the Guard and the Navy and preventing ground forces from controlling spaceships), each titan legion is fitted with its own fleet of spacecraft for transportation and escort.
The core of this fleet is made of "Arks", massive transport ships roughly the size of cruisers (that makes them a few kilometers long) that carry around the galaxy the legion's war engines and its complement of ground forces (skitarii infantry, artillery, armour, etc...).
A couple of Arks are able to transport a standard sized legion (roughly 60 titans and the legion's ground troops).
The legion's fleet also includes a few cruisers for escort and ground bombardment (no more than one or two squadrons of cruisers).

In the fluff, titans have been able to target and destroy enemy aircraft. But they simply lack the range and power to reach vessels in orbit. For instance, a warlord fitted with standard armaments can hit enemy targets 15-20km away from her.
A vessel in low orbit will usually stay within or above the stratosphere. In other words, just outside the titan's range.
It is true that a titan can be equipped with special weapons (like ICBMs and the like) but even these weapons would not be able to destroy anything bigger than a Navy destroyer (the smallest escort ship in the Navy - 800 meters long), so let's not even talk about cruisers or battleships.

Any info on what sort of craft the Mechanicus use to transport the Titan to the surface? Im thinking getting something the size of a Warlord or even Emperor is going to take some serious hardware.

Ratius wrote:Any info on what sort of craft the Mechanicus use to transport the Titan to the surface? Im thinking getting something the size of a Warlord or even Emperor is going to take some serious hardware.

Titanicus and the HH series mention massive landing ships. No real artwork or serious description was ever released so we can only guess about what they look like.

What we know is that they are big enough to transport a few Warlords or a single Emperor at a time.

Their main features are massive gravity compensators and retro-engines fitted on the craft's belly that slow down its descent. However, the shock caused by their landing is so important that it is able to shake the ground as an earthquake, literally burying the vessel in the ground.

Once the vessel is on the ground, gigantic landing ramps open, allowing titans to walk directly in the heat of battle.

Laodamia wrote:

Ratius wrote:Any info on what sort of craft the Mechanicus use to transport the Titan to the surface? Im thinking getting something the size of a Warlord or even Emperor is going to take some serious hardware.

Titanicus and the HH series mention massive landing ships. No real artwork or serious description was ever released so we can only guess about what they look like.

What we know is that they are big enough to transport a few Warlords or a single Emperor at a time.

Their main features are massive gravity compensators and retro-engines fitted on the craft's belly that slow down its descent. However, the shock caused by their landing is so important that it is able to shake the ground as an earthquake, literally burying the vessel in the ground.

Once the vessel is on the ground, gigantic landing ramps open, allowing titans to walk directly in the heat of battle.

You sir are correct, and I like you user icon...

Laodamia wrote:

Ratius wrote:Any info on what sort of craft the Mechanicus use to transport the Titan to the surface? Im thinking getting something the size of a Warlord or even Emperor is going to take some serious hardware.

Titanicus and the HH series mention massive landing ships. No real artwork or serious description was ever released so we can only guess about what they look like.

If memory serves there's a picture (along with some descriptive text of the Warp Runners legion disembarking) from their colossal landing craft in the old Space Marine 1st edition rulebook.

Laodamia wrote:
No specific number was given concerning the duration of a titan's construction but it takes years, if not centuries for the biggest models (as said Coa). Keep in mind that the biggest pattern of Titan, the Emperor, is no longer produced in the galaxy.

Why? Emperor Titans are just super mega warlords but as far as I know there is no such technological difference between them as there is between it and a Warhound for instance; but maybe I'm wrong...

Raulmichile wrote:

Laodamia wrote:
No specific number was given concerning the duration of a titan's construction but it takes years, if not centuries for the biggest models (as said Coa). Keep in mind that the biggest pattern of Titan, the Emperor, is no longer produced in the galaxy.

Why? Emperor Titans are just super mega warlords but as far as I know there is no such technological difference between them as there is between it and a Warhound for instance; but maybe I'm wrong...

It's the inside that is the tricky bit.

purplefood wrote:

Raulmichile wrote:

Laodamia wrote:
No specific number was given concerning the duration of a titan's construction but it takes years, if not centuries for the biggest models (as said Coa). Keep in mind that the biggest pattern of Titan, the Emperor, is no longer produced in the galaxy.

Why? Emperor Titans are just super mega warlords but as far as I know there is no such technological difference between them as there is between it and a Warhound for instance; but maybe I'm wrong...

It's the inside that is the tricky bit.

The synaptic nodes (apart from armament and protection) is what really make big titans different from smaller ones. The system is much more elaborated and require a lot more skill and practice from the crew to control the titan. But as I said earlier, the difference in technology between a Warlord and an Emperor titan is not as much as it is compared with smaller titans. So why can't Emperor titans continue to be produced?

I'd say they have a problem with powering them. The void shields are something around 3 times a Warlords and they have a lot of powerful guns. Whatever they use as a power source (I'm assuming the plasma reactor) would be hard to make to start with let alone on the scale required for an Imperator titan. That said they may just be making Warlords because they are easier to make and quicker so they can get more titans on the ground since an Imperator is usually overkill.

purplefood wrote: That said they may just be making Warlords because they are easier to make and quicker so they can get more titans on the ground since an Imperator is usually overkill.

That's my opinion too.

It seems that an Emperor is less versatile and more costly to produce and maintain than warlords. On the other hand, a battlegroup of warlords will be able to destroy an Emperor if required (as seen in Titanicus).

deffskulla wrote:You sir are correct, and I like you user icon...

Thank you!

This fluff probably isn't accurate any longer, but the mechanicus used to carry Titans on the outside of their ships to act as ship to ship weapons.

DarknessEternal wrote:This fluff probably isn't accurate any longer, but the mechanicus used to carry Titans on the outside of their ships to act as ship to ship weapons.

Lol, kind of a neat idea actually.

I don't think Emperor Titans are produced anymore, that technology is pretty much lost. All the others should be though.

Anyway, it was mentioned that Titan construction is gruelingly slow, which for 40k standards means centuries.

Titans are transported on gigantic landing craft, that's all that's been said and nobody feels like elaborating it. I also think in Dark Apostle you had an Emperor Titan being dropped from orbit in a kind of giant drop pod.

Scorpionov wrote:are some models still in production?

how much time would it take to make one?

is it disassembled all together to fit in naval ships that cant fit in there otherwise?

AFAIK all are still in production.

A couple of years to a couple decades, depending on the skill of the forge and the class of titan.

I don't think so, the mechanicus use special titan dropships/pods.

Newabortion wrote:Another question, do they have weapons to take out outer atmosphere aircraft/spacecraft?

Maby some Emporers do but I don't think any have been mentioned in the fluff.

Ratius wrote:Any info on what sort of craft the Mechanicus use to transport the Titan to the surface? Im thinking getting something the size of a Warlord or even Emperor is going to take some serious hardware.

MASSIVE dropships, during the heresy at least there were also drop pods like skyscrapers for warlords

considering that there is at least one titan legion (cant remember the name :S ) comprised solely of emperor titans, i think theyd still be in production but as before stated, they probably take quite a long time to build, probably a couple of decades.

Titans can certaintly be built, although its easier to fix existing ones.

Warhounds can be built in just a few years probably. Reavers and Warlords take much longer.


Warlords have weaponry capable of reaching low orbit, although the weapons aren't powerful enough to threaten anything larger then an escort sized craft.


Titans are transported on Ad Mech ships. there are also specilized landers which carry different classes of Titan. Warlords and Reavers are carried singly, Warhounds are transported in groups.

and Titans aren't disassembled for transport. they remain whole for the voyage.

This isn't a problem when you consider the monsterous scale of 40k ships. an escort sized ship is around 1.5 kilometers in length. Cruisers are around 5. Battleships can reach 7-10 kilometers in length depending on Class.

Newabortion wrote:Another question, do they have weapons to take out outer atmosphere aircraft/spacecraft?

Defence lasers and macro cannons, both of which are among the Warlord's standard suite of weapons, are described as ground-space weapons, so I'd presume so.

A Titan is designed to subjugate entire planets, which is difficult to do when an enemy fleet is sitting in orbit taking potshots at you. One would think an anti-orbital cannon would be a good idea.

A titan with an anti-orbital cannon is a waste, I'd think, vs. an actual anti-orbital cannon. Titans have retinues and ships, its best to have them specialize, and let their auxiliaries deal with other types of missions/assaults.

The Titan is designed to dominate the ground war. Hence the space-ship retinue to support it from space. Diverting its energy to anti-orbital weapons isn't as tactically sound as allowing it to specialize, imo

Grey Templar wrote:Warhounds can be built in just a few years probably. Reavers and Warlords take much longer.

The Apocalypse book states Warlords take 'decades' to build, so years for a Warhound would be pretty close. Reavers are probably in the decades as well, though obviously less than a Warlord.