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English Assassin wrote:

Newabortion wrote:Another question, do they have weapons to take out outer atmosphere aircraft/spacecraft?

Defence lasers and macro cannons, both of which are among the Warlord's standard suite of weapons, are described as ground-space weapons, so I'd presume so.

Source?

I have never heard of any Warlord equipped with defense lasers. And AFAIK, macro cannons are NOT ground-space weapons, it is simply the designation for the largest ground based weapons. The only macro-weapons fitted on a warlord I have heard about are the Deathstrike missile and the plasma annihilator. And these two weapons are not commonly fitted on warlords. Only in special circumstances a warlord would be equipped with this kind of armament.

The standard armament of a warlord is usually less powerful: a close combat weapon, an anti-personnel weapon (usually a Vulcan mega bolter) and a couple other heavier weapons for long-range engagements (like turbolasers, volcano canons or heavy missile launchers).

Vessels in orbit will be out of a titan's range (15-20km). Only if said space-ship enters the lower atmosphere for some reason will it be a target for titans roaming on the ground.

Warlord titans are about as tall as an anti-ship torpedo.

In fact the Glaive-class surface-to-orbit anti capital-ship torpedo in Storm of Iron is over 60m tall - on a par with the GW datasheet listed Warlord size.

And one of those would barely scratch a cruiser or larger ship.

Titans and their weapons are peanuts compared to true capital ship armaments.

Miraclefish wrote:Warlord titans are about as tall as an anti-ship torpedo.

In fact the Glaive-class surface-to-orbit anti capital-ship torpedo in Storm of Iron is over 60m tall - on a par with the GW datasheet listed Warlord size.

And one of those would barely scratch a cruiser or larger ship.

Titans and their weapons are peanuts compared to true capital ship armaments.

+ 1

Exactly what I'm trying to say since the beginning of this thread.

Laodamia wrote:

English Assassin wrote:

Newabortion wrote:Another question, do they have weapons to take out outer atmosphere aircraft/spacecraft?

Defence lasers and macro cannons, both of which are among the Warlord's standard suite of weapons, are described as ground-space weapons, so I'd presume so.

Source?

The original Adeptus Titanicus - I couldn't give you a page number since the rulebook, like the polystyrene buildings which came with it, has long since gone the way of all things. Rogue Trader, the only place in which either are described in Warhammer 40,000 terms, describes the defence laser as being used to fire into the atmosphere against missiles and spacecraft, and assigns the macro cannon a 40km range - plenty enough to strike targets in an earth-type world's stratosphere (though no further out).

English Assassin wrote:

Laodamia wrote:

English Assassin wrote:

Newabortion wrote:Another question, do they have weapons to take out outer atmosphere aircraft/spacecraft?

Defence lasers and macro cannons, both of which are among the Warlord's standard suite of weapons, are described as ground-space weapons, so I'd presume so.

Source?

The original Adeptus Titanicus - I couldn't give you a page number since the rulebook, like the polystyrene buildings which came with it, has long since gone the way of all things. Rogue Trader, the only place in which either are described in Warhammer 40,000 terms, describes the defence laser as being used to fire into the atmosphere against missiles and spacecraft, and assigns the macro cannon a 40km range - plenty enough to strike targets in an earth-type world's stratosphere (though no further out).

I've double-checked my own copy of that book and I can't find anything mentioning orbital defense lasers being placed on titans. The pages detailing the arsenal of titans list all sorts of funny and weird armament (like landing platforms for storm troopers or power tridents and flails) but no defense laser.

Shayden wrote:A Titan is designed to subjugate entire planets, which is difficult to do when an enemy fleet is sitting in orbit taking potshots at you. One would think an anti-orbital cannon would be a good idea.

You would need to control the space around the planeet in order to be able to deploy the titans otherwise i can see an enemy fleet making quick work of the titans on the ground. They are kinda like modern tanks near useless unless the airspace is secured.

Laodamia wrote:I've double-checked my own copy of that book and I can't find anything mentioning orbital defense lasers being placed on titans. The pages detailing the arsenal of titans list all sorts of funny and weird armament (like landing platforms for storm troopers or power tridents and flails) but no defense laser.

Are we thinking of the same book? I mean the original book from 1988 - only the Warlord and the modular weapons mounted on its plastic sprue were included. Things like the assault platforms and power tridents (and indeed also Reavers, Warhounds and xenos titans) weren't detailed until either the Codex Titanicus Supplement or 2nd ed.

Miraclefish wrote:Warlord titans are about as tall as an anti-ship torpedo.

In fact the Glaive-class surface-to-orbit anti capital-ship torpedo in Storm of Iron is over 60m tall - on a par with the GW datasheet listed Warlord size.

And one of those would barely scratch a cruiser or larger ship.

Titans and their weapons are peanuts compared to true capital ship armaments.

Barely scratch? Honestly I think it'd be devastating to a Cruiser if it scored a direct hit, at least crippling it. It'd definetly significantly weaken the void shields on a Battleship too. Large warships are destroyed all the time by torpedoes in 40k, nevermind those giant things specifically designed to rip through capital ships.

English Assassin wrote:

Laodamia wrote:I've double-checked my own copy of that book and I can't find anything mentioning orbital defense lasers being placed on titans. The pages detailing the arsenal of titans list all sorts of funny and weird armament (like landing platforms for storm troopers or power tridents and flails) but no defense laser.

Are we thinking of the same book? I mean the original book from 1988 - only the Warlord and the modular weapons mounted on its plastic sprue were included. Things like the assault platforms and power tridents (and indeed also Reavers, Warhounds and xenos titans) weren't detailed until either the Codex Titanicus Supplement or 2nd ed.

Indeed, my book is the second ed from 1994.

So titans used to be able to shoot at spaceships in older fluff? They got downgraded quite a lot then.


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Harriticus wrote:
Barely scratch? Honestly I think it'd be devastating to a Cruiser if it scored a direct hit, at least crippling it. It'd definetly significantly weaken the void shields on a Battleship too. Large warships are destroyed all the time by torpedoes in 40k, nevermind those giant things specifically designed to rip through capital ships.

I am with Miraclefish on this one. A single torpedo would barely scratch a cruiser-grade ship. In BFG, it takes multiple torpedoes to bring down a single cruiser.

Harriticus wrote:

Miraclefish wrote:Warlord titans are about as tall as an anti-ship torpedo.

In fact the Glaive-class surface-to-orbit anti capital-ship torpedo in Storm of Iron is over 60m tall - on a par with the GW datasheet listed Warlord size.

And one of those would barely scratch a cruiser or larger ship.

Titans and their weapons are peanuts compared to true capital ship armaments.

Barely scratch? Honestly I think it'd be devastating to a Cruiser if it scored a direct hit, at least crippling it. It'd definetly significantly weaken the void shields on a Battleship too. Large warships are destroyed all the time by torpedoes in 40k, nevermind those giant things specifically designed to rip through capital ships.

I think you have no idea how freakin huge Space Ships are in 40k

http://www.merzo.net/

go to the -10 meters per pixel setting to see some 40k ships.

a escort is 1.5 kilometers long. a Battleship is 7.5 kilometers long

Laodamia wrote:

English Assassin wrote:

Laodamia wrote:I've double-checked my own copy of that book and I can't find anything mentioning orbital defense lasers being placed on titans. The pages detailing the arsenal of titans list all sorts of funny and weird armament (like landing platforms for storm troopers or power tridents and flails) but no defense laser.

Are we thinking of the same book? I mean the original book from 1988 - only the Warlord and the modular weapons mounted on its plastic sprue were included. Things like the assault platforms and power tridents (and indeed also Reavers, Warhounds and xenos titans) weren't detailed until either the Codex Titanicus Supplement or 2nd ed.

Indeed, my book is the second ed from 1994.

So titans used to be able to shoot at spaceships in older fluff? They got downgraded quite a lot then.

I wouldn't, given their relative scales, infer that titans were capable of duelling with orbiting battleships, but there's no reason a defence laser or macro cannon (or - as a check of the more recent rulebook informs me - their renamed equivalents, the volcano cannon and quake cannon) shouldn't be capable of swatting out of the air landing craft, shuttles, fighter-bombers, incoming missiles or whatever from tens of kilometres away as they descended through the atmosphere. A two metre-wide shell wouldn't be likely to make much of a dent in a Gothic cruiser which can fire and withstand titan-sized torpedoes, but it would make a nasty mess of a Thunderhawk or shuttle.

Titans are slowed big. From what I have gleaned from the quivering biomass of the internet is that there is no set dimensions on Titans v. scale. 40k is desperately in need of a tech manual for things like that. I'd pay 50 bucks for a big-ass hardcover with nothing but weapon/ship/titan specs in it sprinkled with little fluff bits.

Sharkvictim wrote:Titans are slowed big.

Yes, but Space Ships even moreso.

and yes, we need a tech manuel.

According to the Titan Wiki,Warhounds are 25metres,Reavers are 40m,Warlords 60m,and Emperors are anything between 80 and 150m,not 400 as I once errorly put.

English Assassin wrote:

Laodamia wrote:

English Assassin wrote:

Laodamia wrote:I've double-checked my own copy of that book and I can't find anything mentioning orbital defense lasers being placed on titans. The pages detailing the arsenal of titans list all sorts of funny and weird armament (like landing platforms for storm troopers or power tridents and flails) but no defense laser.

Are we thinking of the same book? I mean the original book from 1988 - only the Warlord and the modular weapons mounted on its plastic sprue were included. Things like the assault platforms and power tridents (and indeed also Reavers, Warhounds and xenos titans) weren't detailed until either the Codex Titanicus Supplement or 2nd ed.

Indeed, my book is the second ed from 1994.

So titans used to be able to shoot at spaceships in older fluff? They got downgraded quite a lot then.

I wouldn't, given their relative scales, infer that titans were capable of duelling with orbiting battleships, but there's no reason a defence laser or macro cannon (or - as a check of the more recent rulebook informs me - their renamed equivalents, the volcano cannon and quake cannon) shouldn't be capable of swatting out of the air landing craft, shuttles, fighter-bombers, incoming missiles or whatever from tens of kilometres away as they descended through the atmosphere. A two metre-wide shell wouldn't be likely to make much of a dent in a Gothic cruiser which can fire and withstand titan-sized torpedoes, but it would make a nasty mess of a Thunderhawk or shuttle.

Indeed, titans wouldn't pose much of a threat to spaceships, but they are perfectly able to destroy lighter enemy aircraft, and have done so repeatedly in the fluff.

Sharkvictim wrote:Titans are slowed big. From what I have gleaned from the quivering biomass of the internet is that there is no set dimensions on Titans v. scale. 40k is desperately in need of a tech manual for things like that. I'd pay 50 bucks for a big-ass hardcover with nothing but weapon/ship/titan specs in it sprinkled with little fluff bits.

The Imperial Armour books are a good step in the right direction for this I feel - for inctance the Siege of Vraks (vol 6) gives full colour images, vital statistics (height, weightm spped etc) as well as game stats.

They are really lovely - I am just annoyed Book 11 is not out yet :(

Yeah I have some of the Imperial Armour volumes, but I think 40k needs a tech manual like the ones out for Star Wars. It could get some amazing (and relatively accurate) scratch builds out of the community. But what am I saying, I'm saving up for a warhound myself.

If it had IA production values and is same price - I'd buy it immediately.

As far as i know, in the books i've read, the ships that carry Titans are referred to simply as "lifters", and i think the titans are somehow slung underneath, and the ship hovers to the point that their feet touch the ground, then they are detached and the rites of awakening are performed

And someone mentioned earlier in this thread about powering an Imperator Titan, from what i know they have a REALLY BIG plasma reactor or even 2 regular ones

Those are just the Landers that carry them between Ad Mech space vessels and the planet's surface.

Warhounds are in cargo bays in their multiples. with larger titans, the landers are described as being like jackets that the titans slip out of.

I heard once that Titans employ Titan sized Drop Pods?Sort of like really big Dreadnoughts.Is this true?Obviously not for Emperor Titans,but I could imagine warhounds,reavers and even small warlords being drop podded like this.

Won't anti orbital cannons require the titan to aim at around a 90 degree angle or something? Can titans even bend that much to aim their guns that way?

in helsreach, the imperator titan if 50m in height and the warlord is 30m....

Emperior titans weapons are mounted on the top on bits that allow them to go verticle. That is assuming the ship is straight up. It might be at an angle too.

Sharkvictim wrote:Titans are slowed big.

No, they're not. The Warhound is around 12 meters tall, the Reaver is 16 metres tall, the Warlord is about 30 metres tall, while the Emporer is about 60 meters tall at the heighest. Pretty much any ship in 40k would be able to carry one, and if you stripped away most of the floors you could easily fit an entire legion in to a medium sized battleship.

A nice comparison picture:

TrollPie wrote:

Sharkvictim wrote:Titans are slowed big.

No, they're not. The Warhound is around 12 meters tall, the Reaver is 16 metres tall, the Warlord is about 30 metres tall, while the Emporer is about 60 meters tall at the heighest. Pretty much any ship in 40k would be able to carry one, and if you stripped away most of the floors you could easily fit an entire legion in to a medium sized battleship.

A nice comparison picture:

Way I hear, Warhounds are 25, Reavers 40, Warlords 60, and Emperors are about 120-150ish.

Deadshot wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Sharkvictim wrote:Titans are slowed big.

No, they're not. The Warhound is around 12 meters tall, the Reaver is 16 metres tall, the Warlord is about 30 metres tall, while the Emporer is about 60 meters tall at the heighest. Pretty much any ship in 40k would be able to carry one, and if you stripped away most of the floors you could easily fit an entire legion in to a medium sized battleship.

A nice comparison picture:

Way I hear, Warhounds are 25, Reavers 40, Warlords 60, and Emperors are about 120-150ish.

That's massively exaggerated.
Oh, and here are some more comparison images:

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Titan

Viersche wrote:Won't anti orbital cannons require the titan to aim at around a 90 degree angle or something? Can titans even bend that much to aim their guns that way?

The carapace-mounted weapons on the new-type Warlord certainly look as though they could fire near-vertically, it's hard to tell quite how much the weapons on the Reaver or the original Warlord could elevate and traverse - the models just aren't sufficiently detailed. The defence laser on the Imperator's carapace is clearly designed to fire at elevated targets - as I recall it was originally described in the rules as an anti-aricraft weapon.

TrollPie wrote:

Deadshot wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

Sharkvictim wrote:Titans are slowed big.

No, they're not. The Warhound is around 12 meters tall, the Reaver is 16 metres tall, the Warlord is about 30 metres tall, while the Emporer is about 60 meters tall at the heighest. Pretty much any ship in 40k would be able to carry one, and if you stripped away most of the floors you could easily fit an entire legion in to a medium sized battleship.

A nice comparison picture:

Way I hear, Warhounds are 25, Reavers 40, Warlords 60, and Emperors are about 120-150ish.

That's massively exaggerated.
Oh, and here are some more comparison images:



I used that source too. You know that that picture is nowhere near reliable. Emperor Titans never carry CCWs. Only guns.