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I cant make sense / find anything in the rulebook about this, so, can a squad of 10 orks disembark from a battlewagon that has moved 12 inches? (crusing speed i think... 6-12), as it is open topped, AND still assault????

Does the same apply for trukks, as they are fast?

Yes and Yes. A unit in a trukk cannot disembark if the trukk has gone Flat Out - 13-18" Check under the Transports section in the rulebook if you get lost again

Ah cool, so disembarking and assaulting from an open topped vehicle is basically 12 inches, thanks

Orkaswampa wrote:Ah cool, so disembarking and assaulting from an open topped vehicle is basically 12 inches, thanks

13 with RPJ

And dont forget your waaargh bonus or the pivot trick =)

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Can they shoot before the assault if has moved 12 (13 w. Rpj) ?

Orks may always shoot after they disembarked.

Yep, 12 inch trukk move, if tank shock failed / didnt happen, disembark, shoot the slugga's, assault a slugga salvo should cause at least 1 wound!

I believe models disembark within 2" of the hull of an open topped vehicle, so you can gain some extra movement there too!

Models may always disembark 2" from an access point. The difference to open-topped vehicles is that the entire hull counts a access point.

So with out wanting to derail the thread or start nerd rage : ) - would you include the deff rolla as part of the hull or not; has there ever been a definitive answer?

rubicant99 wrote:So with out wanting to derail the thread or start nerd rage : ) - would you include the deff rolla as part of the hull or not; has there ever been a definitive answer?

There has not been a definitive answer. You need to discuss this with your opponent pre-game.

Exactly. I usually tell my opponent that mine are purely decorative and I will remove them whenever they are in the way. If they disagree I will disembark and shoot from the spiky barrel. Doesn't really matter either way, as long as the opponent doesn't want to eat his cake and have it. If he does, you know before the game and go play somebody else.

I would count the def-rolla as part of the hull, if every ork that disembarks by hopping over it takes d6 s10 hits...



In other words, I would not when I play.

That's the point. Either it's hull and you can shoot to and from it, disembark from it, smaller the front facing angle and use it to make contact with vehicles or units. Or it's not and it's ignored for all those purposes. Personally, I find the second part much more reasonable.

As long as you are consistent with either, there is no problem, but some players(on each side) try to cherry-pick from that list, which would be cheating.

Tbh, a deth rolla isnt the hull, its attached to it, unless the boyz can run down the 2 metal beams holding it on, they cant disembark from it, which is the one flaw of it, it basically obscures, so you must park sideways and disembark, whereas without a death rolla you could ram straight through an aegis defence line and jump out the front, but the deff rolla means you're going out the side

Maybe, but real life has no bearing on rules at all. You can disembark from a trukks engine block, after all.

I suppose thats a point, guess its just give or take what the opponent says

hinged deffrolla... when disembarking flip it up... problem solved

deffrolla = hull. Anyone who says differently gives you permission to park the spikey deffrolla on top of their nicely painted models.

What are you basing that statement on? If you have some insight that no one else has, you should share it. Deffrollas can be taken off battlewagons in a second, without any extra work like magnetizing or pinning.

mine i cant, i glued the parts that hold the roller in, so the roller can spin DD (and not fall apart) tho with pinning anything is possible.

Jidmah wrote:What are you basing that statement on? If you have some insight that no one else has, you should share it. Deffrollas can be taken off battlewagons in a second, without any extra work like magnetizing or pinning.

It is based on intent unfortunately, there is no rule indicating it either way.


The way we do it around my parts:

The Deffrolla is used to make contact with an opposing vehicle (As per Ramming, hull contact). If The Deff Rolla is not considered hull, it could otherwise prevent the battle wagon from being able to ram at all. For the purposes of Assault, shooting, disembarking, it is counted as hull as well. Consistency is the key.

Removing parts or altering models during the game is a big no no, and is not acceptable for advantage or disadvantage.

Again, there is no clear answer in the rules, but this is how we play and the reasoning behind it.

So what your saying is IF i can see your deffrolla, just your deffrolla, I can shoot you?

Jihallah wrote:So what your saying is IF i can see your deffrolla, just your deffrolla, I can shoot you?

I suppose you could, but in the United States that is highly Illegal and at very least, could get you kicked out of you flgs.

Jihallah wrote:So what your saying is IF i can see your deffrolla, just your deffrolla, I can shoot you?

Sure, but if you're gonna play it that way then I'd be willing to play it as you shooting at AV 14, since it counts as the front arc. Not to mention that the battlewagon would be obscured anyway.

Jihallah wrote:So what your saying is IF i can see your deffrolla, just your deffrolla, I can shoot you?

Teej wrote:For the purposes of Assault, shooting, disembarking, it is counted as hull as well. Consistency is the key.

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying.

I agree with using it as part of the hull. I have the old Forge world deff rolla and had to do some scratch building to make it work, it dosnt move and is not removeable. It being part of the hull dosnt give an advantage if played consistantly (actually it makes side shots easier for your opponant). It makes the sides longer for side shots on armour 12, if you disembark they had to be an inch away from the rolla in the first place, and as long as you started the rolla behind deplyment lines you gain no movement. The only person that ever said anything about an advantage when I played it this way was a guy that was loosing that had Land raider converted BW's (really!)

Jihallah wrote:So what your saying is IF i can see your deffrolla, just your deffrolla, I can shoot you?

Again that depends on how its being played. If its being counted as part of the hull then yes, it its not being treated as the hull then no.