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Hey all,
Aside from the americans, there are a lot of people playing warhammer who are stereotype tabletop gamers.
When I went to a Warhammer store in the first time of my life (when i was 12) all people were dressed black, some had a beard, one had a chain on his pants and I heard Metal music.
The next times I went to a warhammer store I discovered the same. Why do so many dressed-in-black guys with beards, long hair who love Metal like warhammer?
(no offence) But to there also play other people warhammer.

(oh i forgot the fathers with kids)

I'm perplexed by what you say, as I've never seen anyone fitting the description at my LGS.

One had a chain on his pants?!?

I hope you got the hell out of there...

lolman112 wrote:When I went to a Warhammer store in the first time of my life (when i was 12) all people were dressed black, some had a beard, one had a chain on his pants and I heard Metal music.
The next times I went to a warhammer store I discovered the same. Why do so many dressed-in-black guys with beards, long hair who love Metal like warhammer?
(no offence) But to there also play other people warhammer.

The metal scene is basically guys who dress all in black and have beards and wallet chains and stuff. They love songs full of power, about epic battles and demons and stuff. Which is, you know, pretty much what warhammer is about as well.

I noticed that many wargamers like metal as well, something about fighting with plastic/metal men brings out their desire to kill things.

I think it could be that many people who do not fit into mainstream society often listen to some form of metal / hard rock as we can relate more to the anger(or feelings of mistrust, solitude, or just general insanity) in(some of) the music. Many wargamers(and table top gamers in general) are generally not often part of mainstream society. As such it could lead to why there is a higher proportion of metal heads who enjoy Warhammer 40K(Well that and Demons, and big guns, and explosions, and Orks, and the grimdarkness of it all).


Of course, this could be complete bull as I am overly caffeinated and underslept.

remilia_scarlet wrote:I'm perplexed by what you say, as I've never seen anyone fitting the description at my LGS.

I SWEAR! But I live in holland, and only been in dutch and german gamestores. I listen to rap and house and stuff and I party sometimes, plus i am a teen. I bet it is hard to find someone like that doing warhammer. (yeah yeah, i know... rap... lol)

I had a LGS where the owner looked like that.

Alternative teens and 20somethings. The crossover should be fairly obvious.

Warhammer doesn't appeal to many chavs as they are usually too busy appearing on Jeremy Kyle, robbing the corner shop and impregnating 15yr old girls called Bobbi-Jo.


I would like to point out that walking down a dark alleyway and encountering a group of teens with long hair, slipknot teeshirts and chains on their trousers is, in almost every circumstance, preferable to walking down a dark alleyway and encountering a group of teens with baseball caps, sports teeshirts and trousers worn below the arse.

I've rarely seen that in game stores, at least not the entire population, maybe one or 2, but the majority wore or wear shirts of varying colors and blue jeans.

However, I was one of the FLGS Goths once but not when I had long hair and I never really listened to metal

I find war gamers are a fairly diverse breed in a visual sense, but I think we occupy a similar head space.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

I would like to point out that walking down a dark alleyway and encountering a group of teens with long hair, slipknot teeshirts and chains on their trousers is, in almost every circumstance, preferable to walking down a dark alleyway and encountering a group of teens with baseball caps, sports teeshirts and trousers worn below the arse.

True that, you tell the metal kids that you have a bar of soap/hair clippers on you and they run for the hills, the only way to fight off the other group is with force.

Being angry at the world and a societal outcast is no excuse for poor hygiene, manners, and fashion sense. I no longer go to my first LGS for a wide variety of reasons, chief amongst those reasons is because I don't like being associated with that scene/those types of people. My preferred (not so local) LGS has a much more diverse, down to earth crowd that doesn't have BO issues...

I used to be one of those kinds of kids, and then I figured out that my appearance was driving the perception rather than the other way around.

There's a lot of metal fans that play warhammer, but there's a lot of metal fans that have a bajillion other different hobbies.

I think as what was pointed out, a lot of metal is all about epic battles and vikings pillaging stuff and a lot of the subject matter is the same, so they like the fluff and get into the game.

I'm a die hard metal fan, but I'm one of the few that don't look the part. I don't wear band shirts or have long hair or neck beards. Back in high school maybe, but that was 20+ years ago. Folks I work with area always surprised when I roll into the parking lot with death metal blasting away.

BTW .. new Anthrax CD came out yesterday!

Necros wrote:There's a lot of metal fans that play warhammer, but there's a lot of metal fans that have a bajillion other different hobbies.

I think as what was pointed out, a lot of metal is all about epic battles and vikings pillaging stuff and a lot of the subject matter is the same, so they like the fluff and get into the game.

I'm a die hard metal fan, but I'm one of the few that look the part. I don't wear band shirts or have long hair or neck beards. Back in high school maybe, but that was 20+ years ago. Folks I work with area always surprised when I roll into the parking lot with death metal blasting away.

BTW .. new Anthrax CD came out yesterday!

QFT.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Bobbi-Jo.

That's so my crazy aunt's name. Just thought I'd point that out.

My piece might sound a little condescending, but it seems like men are on a constant quest to make whatever they feel dirty and shameful about into something more macho, and what better way than to be the "coolest" of their bunch by wearing "awesome" metal shirts? Admittedly I used to wear clothing with direct messages or imagery that brought slaughter to mind to various game tournaments to seize whatever edge of intimidation I could with fairly decent results if I could live up to it.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Bobbi-Jo.

That's so my crazy aunt's name. Just thought I'd point that out.

My piece might sound a little condescending, but it seems like men are on a constant quest to make whatever they feel dirty and shameful about into something more macho, and what better way than to be the "coolest" of their bunch by wearing "awesome" metal shirts? Admittedly I used to wear clothing with direct messages or imagery that brought slaughter to mind to various game tournaments to seize whatever edge of intimidation I could with fairly decent results if I could live up to it.

I can't picture you being intimidating you just look too fun to be scary.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Bobbi-Jo.

That's so my crazy aunt's name. Just thought I'd point that out.

My piece might sound a little condescending, but it seems like men are on a constant quest to make whatever they feel dirty and shameful about into something more macho, and what better way than to be the "coolest" of their bunch by wearing "awesome" metal shirts? Admittedly I used to wear clothing with direct messages or imagery that brought slaughter to mind to various game tournaments to seize whatever edge of intimidation I could with fairly decent results if I could live up to it.

I wear a couple Black Dahlia Murder and BTBAM shirts. The fact that you think people wear shirts like that to be "intimidating" is pretty funny. It's a t-shirt dude.

As for feeling dirty or shameful over something they enjoy, that's just sad.

If anybody has ever been intimidated by a T-shirt and is not an 80 year old woman...

GTFO.



So god damn funny.

nectarprime wrote:
As for feeling dirty or shameful over something they enjoy, that's just sad.

I don't mean it in an accusatory fashion, just an observation that many nerds who are anti-social are already fairly insecure so when you bring up something like playing with toy soldiers which is already socially left of center, their tends to be bad feelings attached to it in "normal" company. I personally think people should just enjoy whatever it is they're in to.

I listen to metal and whenever I tell people who know everything else about me about my music preference they can't really understand it. I go to church, am polite as hell, never wear any of the typical metal shirts, and I overall just goof off and then I hit them with the metal bit and it blows their mind.

But I've met a girl who's as pretty as could be, wears brighter colors, is in the coast guard, and happens to like Otep and Disney movies. She's basically an attractive, female version of myself who happens to be in the coast guard.

Ugh, and apparently I need to provide context here. When I used to hit tournaments (namely Yu-Gi-Oh!, Magic and Scrabble) I was very big on the psychological element. My deck box was adorned with various phrases like "I've already won" and I'd spend the entire match rotating it to change the message. If I could do something devastating, I'd do it very quickly and act like nothing special had happened and when they did something devastating to me I'd laugh it off. I'd bluff constantly ("DAMN IT! Ugh, your go" when I was going to win the next turn if they bothered being reckless). Now this sounds very surreal years later, but it was damn effective at the time I had a local following just for my theatrics and frequently had people asking me how to do the same thing. Outside of the game I was myself and the nicest guy you'd meet there, often giving stuff away to help the younger players out and whatnot. If you think your appearance has no impact on highly competitive gameplay, then feel free to give up one of your advantages.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Ugh, and apparently I need to provide context here. When I used to hit tournaments (namely Yu-Gi-Oh!, Magic and Scrabble) I was very big on the psychological element. My deck box was adorned with various phrases like "I've already won" and I'd spend the entire match rotating it to change the message. If I could do something devastating, I'd do it very quickly and act like nothing special had happened and when they did something devastating to me I'd laugh it off. I'd bluff constantly ("DAMN IT! Ugh, your go" when I was going to win the next turn if they bothered being reckless). Now this sounds very surreal years later, but it was damn effective at the time I had a local following just for my theatrics and frequently had people asking me how to do the same thing. Outside of the game I was myself and the nicest guy you'd meet there, often giving stuff away to help the younger players out and whatnot. If you think your appearance has no impact on highly competitive gameplay, then feel free to give up one of your advantages.

I used to think it would be cool to fight your opponent psychologically as well as on the tabletop, etc. but as the years have gone by I've come to realize... its just a game... to much effort, lol

chaos0xomega wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Ugh, and apparently I need to provide context here. When I used to hit tournaments (namely Yu-Gi-Oh!, Magic and Scrabble) I was very big on the psychological element. My deck box was adorned with various phrases like "I've already won" and I'd spend the entire match rotating it to change the message. If I could do something devastating, I'd do it very quickly and act like nothing special had happened and when they did something devastating to me I'd laugh it off. I'd bluff constantly ("DAMN IT! Ugh, your go" when I was going to win the next turn if they bothered being reckless). Now this sounds very surreal years later, but it was damn effective at the time I had a local following just for my theatrics and frequently had people asking me how to do the same thing. Outside of the game I was myself and the nicest guy you'd meet there, often giving stuff away to help the younger players out and whatnot. If you think your appearance has no impact on highly competitive gameplay, then feel free to give up one of your advantages.

I used to think it would be cool to fight your opponent psychologically as well as on the tabletop, etc. but as the years have gone by I've come to realize... its just a game... to much effort, lol

It also makes you TFG.

nectarprime wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Ugh, and apparently I need to provide context here. When I used to hit tournaments (namely Yu-Gi-Oh!, Magic and Scrabble) I was very big on the psychological element. My deck box was adorned with various phrases like "I've already won" and I'd spend the entire match rotating it to change the message. If I could do something devastating, I'd do it very quickly and act like nothing special had happened and when they did something devastating to me I'd laugh it off. I'd bluff constantly ("DAMN IT! Ugh, your go" when I was going to win the next turn if they bothered being reckless). Now this sounds very surreal years later, but it was damn effective at the time I had a local following just for my theatrics and frequently had people asking me how to do the same thing. Outside of the game I was myself and the nicest guy you'd meet there, often giving stuff away to help the younger players out and whatnot. If you think your appearance has no impact on highly competitive gameplay, then feel free to give up one of your advantages.

I used to think it would be cool to fight your opponent psychologically as well as on the tabletop, etc. but as the years have gone by I've come to realize... its just a game... to much effort, lol

It also makes you TFG.

c0x: Totally agree now, lol. That was years ago, if i didn't make it clear. I have more important things going on now. I was just pointing out that at high level competition (which someone may still take seriously) when two players skill levels are close, any little edge is a plus.

np: Not necessarily. You can destroy people in game but as long as you're nice outside no one ever cared with me. I used to manage a comic shop and run plenty of tournaments and I've seen my fair share of TFG Thanks for assuming, try again.

Platuan4th wrote:I've rarely seen that in game stores, at least not the entire population, maybe one or 2, but the majority wore or wear shirts of varying colors and blue jeans.

However, I was one of the FLGS Goths once but not when I had long hair and I never really listened to metal

But I said, americans are diffirent. Really not in a bad way, I know americans, I know your proud of your country etc.. but I know american gamers are more people who study or fathers with children. Here in europe i believe the wargamers are diffirent. Well, i know it sure


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MeanGreenStompa wrote:Alternative teens and 20somethings. The crossover should be fairly obvious.

Warhammer doesn't appeal to many chavs as they are usually too busy appearing on Jeremy Kyle, robbing the corner shop and impregnating 15yr old girls called Bobbi-Jo.


I would like to point out that walking down a dark alleyway and encountering a group of teens with long hair, slipknot teeshirts and chains on their trousers is, in almost every circumstance, preferable to walking down a dark alleyway and encountering a group of teens with baseball caps, sports teeshirts and trousers worn below the arse.

Haha i laughed on this, you are right, but like.. i dont have the same humor and interests like these other guys, even tho they are really charismatic.


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chaos0xomega wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Ugh, and apparently I need to provide context here. When I used to hit tournaments (namely Yu-Gi-Oh!, Magic and Scrabble) I was very big on the psychological element. My deck box was adorned with various phrases like "I've already won" and I'd spend the entire match rotating it to change the message. If I could do something devastating, I'd do it very quickly and act like nothing special had happened and when they did something devastating to me I'd laugh it off. I'd bluff constantly ("DAMN IT! Ugh, your go" when I was going to win the next turn if they bothered being reckless). Now this sounds very surreal years later, but it was damn effective at the time I had a local following just for my theatrics and frequently had people asking me how to do the same thing. Outside of the game I was myself and the nicest guy you'd meet there, often giving stuff away to help the younger players out and whatnot. If you think your appearance has no impact on highly competitive gameplay, then feel free to give up one of your advantages.

I used to think it would be cool to fight your opponent psychologically as well as on the tabletop, etc. but as the years have gone by I've come to realize... its just a game... to much effort, lol

lol if i do that maybe they dont want to fight
Stepping inside: Yo who wants to battle *pants below arse*? *hearing the bass of a random rap song out of my headphones*
imma skaven player

I can't comment about differences, because my interaction with foreign gamers is limited to the forums. Personally, I think you're correct, I've noticed that an increasing number of players are in the older age bracket (20+), and I'm seeing less and less younger gamers. In fact, I used to have to deal with bunches of pre-teen aged guys all the time at my former not so friendly LGS, that has evaporated for all manner of reasons (mainly because the older, more 'normal' people have all migrated elsewhere and left the neckbeards, druggies, and undesirables behind, parents don't usually like having such people as influences on their young children). In any case, thinking about it, I'm not sure I know of any younger gamers that still play anymore (in any truly dedicated fashion). I see a few pop up now and again, but they disappear like frightened grotz after a couple months and never really leave any sort of impact upon me (not even the memory of a name).

lolman112 wrote:
lol if i do that maybe they dont want to fight
Stepping inside: Yo who wants to battle *pants below arse*? *hearing the bass of a random rap song out of my headphones*
imma skaven player

I've seen that happen more than once...

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Bobbi-Jo.

That's so my crazy aunt's name. Just thought I'd point that out.

My piece might sound a little condescending, but it seems like men are on a constant quest to make whatever they feel dirty and shameful about into something more macho, and what better way than to be the "coolest" of their bunch by wearing "awesome" metal shirts? Admittedly I used to wear clothing with direct messages or imagery that brought slaughter to mind to various game tournaments to seize whatever edge of intimidation I could with fairly decent results if I could live up to it.

Reminded me of my Tourney "Hail Satan!" T-shirt.

Strictly based on my FLGSs.

WHFB players are typically older. I (23) and a friend (22) are probably the two youngest WHFB players in the area and we both look kinda like stereotypical white college boys. The older guys vary somewhat, but they're pretty normal looking. I haven't seen any "freaky" looking active WHFB players.

Now 40k is a LOT more popular and the player group is a lot more varied. There are a few oddballs, but there isn't anyone too far out of the norm.

Long story short, no 40k/WHFB gamers are not death metal crazies.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote: I've seen my fair share of TFG Thanks for assuming, try again.

Just for the sake of arguement I'm gonna point out that most TFGs don't think they are one.

They are often too busy telling everyone around them how awesome they are to pick up on social cues or have much incite into how they are presenting themselves...

Also since you aluded to it: it gets sort of old when TFGs say things like "I'm really a nice guy, in real life when I'm not playing", etc.
This is part of real life, and I am interacting with you now, so i don't care how you act at home, stop being a dick over a game of toy soldiers...