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How much is standard Astartes Power Armor heavy? ( with, wthout marine and with light or full equipment )
And how much is Terminator armor heavy compared to ordinary power armor?
And one more thing, there are only male Astartes because women can't survive the genetic alterations that would made them Astartes. Is something like that ever described in some codex or novel and were does this rumor originated?

Brother Coa wrote:
And one more thing, there are only male Astartes because women can't survive the genetic alterations that would made them Astartes. Is something like that ever described in some codex or novel and were does this rumor originated?

It's been stated many times in any article dealing with the creation of Space Marines. It's not a rumor.

Brother Coa wrote:How much is standard Astartes Power Armor heavy? ( with, wthout marine and with light or full equipment )
And how much is Terminator armor heavy compared to ordinary power armor?
And one more thing, there are only male Astartes because women can't survive the genetic alterations that would made them Astartes. Is something like that ever described in some codex or novel and were does this rumor originated?

According to Deathwatch, standard Astartes power armour weighs 180 kilograms, or 396 pounds.

Tactical Dreadnought Armour on the other hand weighs 400 kilos, or 880 pounds.

I'd guess your average Space Marine is somewhere in the 250-300 pound range. Ted Hendricks, Hall of Fame linebacker, was 6'7" and 220 pounds, so that's not a bad ballpark.

I don't think there's anything particular about females that would make them incapable of handling geneseed implantation (as a hypothetical, with 'generic' geneseed). However, all the Primarchs were male (hence, Primarch), so that would be a fairly obvious source of genetic incompatability regarding implantation of male genetic material inside of a female body. Space Marine creation is dicy enough without adding in an obvious source of autoimmune problems.

Of course if you want to have females running around inside of standard Space Marine power armor, that's pretty easy to pull off. Just need some handwavium to bring the Sororitas and Mechanicum together to create uber-SoB.

Females are flat out, 100%, genetically incompatible with geneseed.

This has been brought up about a bazillion times, and it is in literally ever article about the creation of Astartes.

My point was that had the Emperor decided to create a Matriarch or two, then there's no reason to think that geneseed from that source would be just as incompatable with males as the current supply is with females.

Interestingly, one of the few hints we've gotten concerning the lost legions is that they were male, thus nixing the whole 'missing legions = female primarchs' theory that was always good for raising blood pressure.

Harrower wrote:Females are flat out, 100%, genetically incompatible with geneseed.

This has been brought up about a bazillion times, and it is in literally ever article about the creation of Astartes.

Makes no difference if not everyone cares.

daveNYC wrote:I'd guess your average Space Marine is somewhere in the 250-300 pound range. Ted Hendricks, Hall of Fame linebacker, was 6'7" and 220 pounds, so that's not a bad ballpark.

Try 700+ pounds.

A Space Marine in power armour would weigh at least 500 kilograms according to Deathwatch. So would weigh about 320 without it. Which is 704 pounds.

Astartes stand on average a little over seven feet tall, but they are also noted to not just be muscular, but inhumanly thick, dense, and built. Not even counting their extra organs and gak that normal humans don't have.

Yeah, they are massive.

I thought power armor was a a ton? And Terminator armor is -twice- as bulky. So double the weight. I imagine even a storm shield would be heavy as feth.

I recall having read somewhere that standard Astartes Warplate weigths in around 900 to 1000 Kg, while Tactical Dreadnaugth armour witch is even more massive wieht around twice that. But I can be wrong thou, and Marines are baisicly walking slabs of stone

Void__Dragon wrote:

daveNYC wrote:I'd guess your average Space Marine is somewhere in the 250-300 pound range. Ted Hendricks, Hall of Fame linebacker, was 6'7" and 220 pounds, so that's not a bad ballpark.

Try 700+ pounds.

A Space Marine in power armour would weigh at least 500 kilograms according to Deathwatch. So would weigh about 320 without it. Which is 704 pounds.

Astartes stand on average a little over seven feet tall, but they are also noted to not just be muscular, but inhumanly thick, dense, and built. Not even counting their extra organs and gak that normal humans don't have.

Bloody crud, those guys at FFG are smoking crack. If an average Space Marine weighs 320 kg, Terminator Armour weighs 400 kg, and standard Mk. IV/V/VI/whatever weighs 180 kg, then logically, any Space Marine who is capable of doing a hand stand, should also be capable (without armor) of shoulder pressing standard armor, and possibly doing the same with Tac Dread Armour?

daveNYC wrote:Bloody crud, those guys at FFG are smoking crack. If an average Space Marine weighs 320 kg, Terminator Armour weighs 400 kg, and standard Mk. IV/V/VI/whatever weighs 180 kg, then logically, any Space Marine who is capable of doing a hand stand, should also be capable (without armor) of shoulder pressing standard armor, and possibly doing the same with Tac Dread Armour?

So?

Human beings have military pressed more than 400 kg.

I really am not sure why people seem to have a problem with Space Marines being superhuman. These are beings who can splinter ceramite with their fists.

Any Marine that couldn't military press 400 kilograms would be pathetic.

I think my problem isn't that Marines are so heavy (though 700 pounds is pretty crazy), it's that the armour is so light. Numbers like that actually make backflipping Terminators somewhat believable, and nobody wants that.

daveNYC wrote:I think my problem isn't that Marines are so heavy (though 700 pounds is pretty crazy), it's that the armour is so light. Numbers like that actually make backflipping Terminators somewhat believable, and nobody wants that.

Terminator armour's weight isn't the problem.

It's the rigid, inflexible manner of their construction.

You have to remember that not only are they extremely muscular, beyond anything comparable to a normal human, their skeletal structure is also different. Ribcages fused to make a solid bone casing for their organs? Bones infused with other materials to make them harder and denser than normal human bones? This also accounts for much of their weight.

I think power armour weighs 250 lb.

250 lbs (or 113 kg) is what GW stated in the rather detailed power armour article in the Angels of Death Codex, which also talked about actual armour protection or the manner of construction.

Of course, that's just one interpretation - as noted, it is much heavier in FFG's RPG.

daveNYC wrote:Bloody crud, those guys at FFG are smoking crack. If an average Space Marine weighs 320 kg, Terminator Armour weighs 400 kg, and standard Mk. IV/V/VI/whatever weighs 180 kg, then logically, any Space Marine who is capable of doing a hand stand, should also be capable (without armor) of shoulder pressing standard armor, and possibly doing the same with Tac Dread Armour?

You'd be surprised what they can do, according to the rules in the Deathwatch RPG.

Compared to Inquisitor, where they would apparently do more damage by throwing their bolter rather than firing it.

Iamjustsaying.

I remember there was a really awesome article on space marine anatomy on here a few months ago, basically saying that they wouldnt be able to tie their own shoe laces because their body would be so stiff. Anyone know the article im talking about? I cant seem to find it...

I imagine the ribcage thing would make tying their shoe laces hard. Luckily, they have serfs for that. They also probably wouldn't be able to touch the top of their heads or their shoulder blades because of massive bicep syndrome. Thankfully, they can still swing a sword with the best of them and fire a boltgun as long as there's ammo.

Yep, luckily for them they are not required to do any acrobatics... Well... >.>...

Thatguy91 wrote:Yep, luckily for them they are not required to do any acrobatics... Well... >.>...

Space Marines are capable of athletics and acrobatics beyond any human, even when in power armour.

Void__Dragon wrote:
Space Marines are capable of athletics and acrobatics beyond any human, even when in power armour.

Thankfully that generalization doesn't include well executed handsprings, splits, pirouettes, ect. Personally, I don't imagine marines being more acrobatic than ballerinas or gymnasts in power armor...Or even out of it. Surely they're agile, strong, and have much better endurance than a darned mule but I don't see them as particularly flexible or acrobatic but they can crush ballerinas and gymnasts in CC nonetheless. This isn't to say they don't have much better foot work and hand eye coordination than say our best boxers and martial artists...They do.

^ I lol'd. Pirouettes lol

Yeh, I just really loved that article that dumped a big load of reality all over it. Good times.

BrainDeleted wrote:Thankfully that generalization doesn't include well executed handsprings, splits, pirouettes, ect. Personally, I don't imagine marines being more acrobatic than ballerinas or gymnasts in power armor...Or even out of it. Surely they're agile, strong, and have much better endurance than a darned mule but I don't see them as particularly flexible or acrobatic but they can crush ballerinas and gymnasts in CC nonetheless. This isn't to say they don't have much better foot work and hand eye coordination than say our best boxers and martial artists...They do.

They were shown doing what can basically be described as parkour in Prospero Burns, actually.

40k is nothing if not soft SF. Realism shuts the feth up and leaves the room when Marines are involved.

Part of the problem too is when we think of power armor we think of stuff in the artwork and images and the general blockiness or unwieldyness of the armor can vary dramatically depending on the artist. then again modern body armor is heavy and looks rather bulky, especially with the plate inserts

I suspect that the mobility of power armor depends not only on its weight, but also on the materials it is made from (artificer grade armor tends to be made from superior materials and is lighter for its given volume, as I recall.), the systems it uses (if it has suspensors they can probably move better in it as well), and the level of protection desired (mobility and protection are always inversely related, this probably is no less true for power armor than it is for real life armor. Lighter armor requires less power to move, use lighter and thinner plates, and quite probably is less noisy and generates a smaller emissions signature since you need less power to move it, etc.) Considering how often you get variable performance in the fluff (sometimes armor sinking sometimes floating, oft times within the same series - eg Space Wolves, having power armor sometimes stop bolter shells and sometimes fial ot stop them.. or stopping autocannon rounds in one novel but not another, being stealthy in one case and not at all stealthy in another, etc.) as well as the variable mass figures.. welll.. it "depends".

This doesn't mean I suspect they suddenly look or move more like Eldar Aspect Warriors or Exarchs, or lose the blocky appearance or pauldrons, but to be combat effective does require a certain range of motion and mobility exist that the artwork really doesn't portray.

I'd also say that insofar as there may be an "average" suit of power armor, I'd put it at around 200 kilos. Once you factor in the Space Marine the combined weight would be a good 300-400 kilos, which is quite a bit.

BrainDeleted wrote:I imagine the ribcage thing would make tying their shoe laces hard. Luckily, they have serfs for that. They also probably wouldn't be able to touch the top of their heads or their shoulder blades because of massive bicep syndrome. Thankfully, they can still swing a sword with the best of them and fire a boltgun as long as there's ammo.

In this image you can see the the ribcage is much thicker than a regular human's but still has gaps (which are necessary in order to breath and bend the upper body).

500 kilos? I always tought that marines are a little heavier than that.
So termies would be around 1 ton then.

Funny, I always imagine ordinary marine to be 1 ton and termie to be 2 - 3 tons.

Void__Dragon wrote:Compared to Inquisitor, where they would apparently do more damage by throwing their bolter rather than firing it.

It doesn't exactly look better when they do the same with non-Marine bolters in DH/DW. FFG just introduced a disparity where one shouldn't exist if you'd go by how the setting was described by GW. I'm not saying that you have to, but it should be understandable when some people (like me) are confused by such a drastic change that affects the narrative ability of entire organizations and lessens compatibility between characters and game lines.
In addition to this you then have silly squad modes doing stuff like negating a single lascannon hit by dividing its damage amongst the entire squad for maximum soak... yeah, no. That's just Movie Marines style.

And "Prospero Burns" is just another novel, just another author interpretation as well. I for myself simply prefer my Marines with a portion of "fantastic realism", please.