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And if so why ? Are there any reasons as per background or is it GW decided it that wa
-thanks

Sort of...
It's supposed to be experimental and the BA are field testing it...
Though GW released the rules in a WD but failed IIRC to specifically say it an be used by any marine codex...

Perhaps in 6th edition, Codex: space marines will have it and BA and GK will not (it will be removed from their 6th ed codices - not that I expect GK to actually GET a new codex before 8th ed after this one).

chromedog wrote:Perhaps in 6th edition, Codex: space marines will have it and BA and GK will not (it will be removed from their 6th ed codices - not that I expect GK to actually GET a new codex before 8th ed after this one).

That doesn't make any sense. Why would they remove it from those codices in order to add it to Codex: SM? Especially since, while the GK have access to it, it was clearly designed with the BA in mind.

Sorry but i have a question. As dark angel, may i use the SM cyclone ML rather than the dark angel cyclon ML (cause it sucks and are outdated) ?

Searth wrote:Sorry but i have a question. As dark angel, may i use the SM cyclone ML rather than the dark angel cyclon ML (cause it sucks and are outdated) ?

Yes, in fact, you have to.

Searth wrote:Sorry but i have a question. As dark angel, may i use the SM cyclone ML rather than the dark angel cyclon ML (cause it sucks and are outdated) ?

The latest FAQ updated all their equipment.

I'm not sure fluff wise, but I wouldn't mind playing anyone using a Stormraven for a not GK/BA codex.

Orblivion wrote:

chromedog wrote:Perhaps in 6th edition, Codex: space marines will have it and BA and GK will not (it will be removed from their 6th ed codices - not that I expect GK to actually GET a new codex before 8th ed after this one).

That doesn't make any sense. Why would they remove it from those codices in order to add it to Codex: SM? Especially since, while the GK have access to it, it was clearly designed with the BA in mind.

I also don't understand why the GKs won't get a codex until 8E? Surely we'd get one mid 7E latest...

In fluff it makes little sense for the BA to have it (I could see it being an exclusive Grey Knight vehicle however).

Really, the Space Marines desperately need more air support from at least a fluff perspective (and with more air units creeping their way into the tabletop, there too). How an elite airborne rapid-assault force doesn't have any kind of air superiority fighter or light attack craft is beyond strange.

Harriticus wrote:In fluff it makes little sense for the BA to have it (I could see it being an exclusive Grey Knight vehicle however).

Really, the Space Marines desperately need more air support from at least a fluff perspective (and with more air units creeping their way into the tabletop, there too). How an elite airborne rapid-assault force doesn't have any kind of air superiority fighter or light attack craft is beyond strange.

Because even in the fluff, that's handled by the navy.

And a thunderhawk is easily capable of air to air battles. The things have plenty of missiles.

Harriticus wrote:In fluff it makes little sense for the BA to have it (I could see it being an exclusive Grey Knight vehicle however).

Really, the Space Marines desperately need more air support from at least a fluff perspective (and with more air units creeping their way into the tabletop, there too). How an elite airborne rapid-assault force doesn't have any kind of air superiority fighter or light attack craft is beyond strange.

It's a fast transport that can accommodate jump infantry, sounds like it makes perfect sense for the Blood Angels to me. If you are referring to why the Blood Angels have it so much earlier than everyone else, than it is because of their natural affinity for flight, which the Mechanicus obviously recognize.

However there is the whole part with the Mechanicus hating the BA for not letting them have the plans for the Baal predator. So why do they get Stormravens, and not Iron Hands who are the Mechanicus' bumchums?

IIRC because the Blood Angels originally came across the STC fragment for it. I'm not sure why the Grey Knights have stormravens though.

mmmBoBo wrote:However there is the whole part with the Mechanicus hating the BA for not letting them have the plans for the Baal predator. So why do they get Stormravens, and not Iron Hands who are the Mechanicus' bumchums?

The Mechanicus are supposed to be very logical. So while it may irk them that the Blood Angels still haven't allowed them to see the Baal Predator STC, they must realize that the Blood Angels are the logical choice for field testing a new Astartes aircraft.

Greyish wrote:

That doesn't make any sense. Why would they remove it from those codices in order to add it to Codex: SM? Especially since, while the GK have access to it, it was clearly designed with the BA in mind.

I also don't understand why the GKs won't get a codex until 8E? Surely we'd get one mid 7E latest...

Well the codex states that the mechnicus refused to release the storm raven construct until they decided it was holy. However, by then the Grey Knights had been using it for a while.

The main reason why the Blood Angels use the storm raven and other chapters don't is the mastery of flight that the Blood Angels enjoy. It says in the codex that the blood angers refuse to give up the skies for even a minute while other chapters would deploy using drop pods or land raiders.

I think it boils down to other chapters seeing the storm raven as a finicky gimmick that would probably need a skilled pilot to control properly and would prefer to use the reliable land raider or the ever trustworthy drop pod. While the blood angels are so skilled in flying that using a storm raven is easy, and allows them to stay airborne with their obsession for flight.

i wouldent mind playing vanilla SM with a stormraven, although IMHO, the space marines should all be lumped into one codex in 6th, (barring GK, which really are inquisition), and have all options availiable to everybody (and then have something which means you can only field one chapter at a time, hero- wise, and special troop type wise)

If you want to argue fluff, if any chapter should be 'field testing' the Stormraven it's the Hawk Lords. THey have the best Thunderhawk pilots out of the chapters, and other chapters frequently send their pilots to train with them.

You'd think they'd be the first to get their hands on Stormravens to push them to their limits.

-Loki- wrote:If you want to argue fluff, if any chapter should be 'field testing' the Stormraven it's the Hawk Lords. THey have the best Thunderhawk pilots out of the chapters, and other chapters frequently send their pilots to train with them.

You'd think they'd be the first to get their hands on Stormravens to push them to their limits.

Blood Angels have a natural talent for flying, and that includes anything, not just Thunderhawks. Theoretically a Blood Angel piloting a Stormraven for the first time would still demonstrate more skill than pilots from other chapters.

Because GW had a shiny new model to sell and the BAs and GKs were the marine codices on the writing block.

If you want to play them with another chapters paintjob you are looking at Apoc or counts-as, i'm afraid. As noted the WD with the stormraven rules didn't mention that they are usable with other chapters.

SOFDC wrote:Because GW had a shiny new model to sell and the BAs and GKs were the marine codices on the writing block.

This is the only worthwhile thing in this thread. It's amazing the gak that people come out with to do with "fluff" and "background" in order to cover GW's arse whenever they make some greedy corporate decision, or feth up.

Joey wrote:

SOFDC wrote:Because GW had a shiny new model to sell and the BAs and GKs were the marine codices on the writing block.

This is the only worthwhile thing in this thread. It's amazing the gak that people come out with to do with "fluff" and "background" in order to cover GW's arse whenever they make some greedy corporate decision, or feth up.

The thread is in the "40k Background" forum, wtf did you expect?

Well, fluffwise I am not sure. Games wise yes, but not if you play a GW Belfast.


I think so. BA and descendents. Everything is Blood this and Blood that. Bloodstrike missiles.Skies of Blood. It makes sense to have it for them only. And GK get any vehicle or equipment they want.

I'm sure that if you just wait for the 6th Edition Space Marines Codex you'll find Stormravens available to all chapters. Until then, the army lists are absolute, so don't expect to field them in a competitive game outside of Blood Angels or Grey Knights.

Didn't the Ad Mech and BA make up when Dante sent them a GIGANTIC fething IMPERATOR TITAN

The Baal pred you say? Get a LRC and take its twin linked AC. Get a pred turrent and pull the Auto Cannon or LC off. Weld the AC on. Done!

Its Assault Cannon is already Twinlinked to start with.

Now take ther sponsons off. Remove the autocannon or LC of the Pred. Replace qwith Flamestorm. Done

Storm Wardens use Storm Ravens fluff wise

The are BA decendents are they not. And if not, where is this fluff?