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So, I was reading some articles about the rise of more right wing nationalism in europe
http://www.france24.com/en/20111107-study-growing-online-support-europe-far-right-politics-elections-le-penn-france
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/06/far-right-rise-europe-report
courtesy of stumbleupon....so European members..would you agree with this or is it over enthusiastic journalism?
and yes I know the articles said there was online support,etc etc...

The UK right wing nationalist party tends to be ridiculed and ignored, though do we really count as europe?

corpsesarefun wrote:The UK right wing nationalist party tends to be ridiculed and ignored, though do we really count as europe?

do you guys even regard yourselves as Europeans??

I am for Nationalism, Multi-culturism has done nothing but give us new food, clothes and more crime. It has been prooven that Multi-culturism has a correlation with crime. If you move to a country, you have to become a citizen of that country. Not a citizen of another country living in that country. People who move to another country should be forced to integrate into the culture of that country.

It's quite clear that right-wing nationalism and conservatism have been on the rise for at least a decade in the whole western world.

rockerbikie wrote:I am for Nationalism, Multi-culturism has done nothing but give us new food, clothes and more crime. It has been prooven that Multi-culturism has a correlation with crime. If you move to a country, you have to become a citizen of that country. Not a citizen of another country living in that country. People who move to another country should be forced to integrate into the culture of that country.

corpsesarefun wrote:The UK right wing nationalist party tends to be ridiculed and ignored, though do we really count as europe?

DoD you give up the pound for euros? No. Then you're European just not idiots.
I don't know why this is focused on "right wing" nationalists. I was under the impression that nationalism was free from partisan politics.
Then I saw the story was from the guardian and headed by a picture of that Norwegian mass murderer. Let's call this overenthusiastic journalism. Although I have no doubt that right wingers, islamophobes, and nationalists are on the rise. I would guess that left wing and centrist nationalism is or will be on the rise too as stable countries like say, Germany, see the potential for other EU nations like Italy's economy drag them under too. Who knows how far This upswell of nationalism will spread, the EU isn't all bad, but it could still be the victim.

rockerbikie wrote:I am for Nationalism, Multi-culturism has done nothing but give us new food, clothes and more crime. It has been prooven that Multi-culturism has a correlation with crime. If you move to a country, you have to become a citizen of that country. Not a citizen of another country living in that country. People who move to another country should be forced to integrate into the culture of that country.

Multiculturalism stopped your tendency to cull half of your own male population once every 40 years.

rockerbikie wrote:I am for Nationalism, Multi-culturism has done nothing but give us new food, clothes and more crime. It has been prooven that Multi-culturism has a correlation with crime. If you move to a country, you have to become a citizen of that country. Not a citizen of another country living in that country. People who move to another country should be forced to integrate into the culture of that country.

That's pretty much what happens to people in the UK...
I can't speak for other countries however...

As for Right Wing parties...
The British right wing parties are openly mocked and ridiculed so... yeah.

Isnt nationalism the same as patriotism? Loving your own country but hating thoe filthy evil foreigners?

Space Crusader wrote:Isnt nationalism the same as patriotism? Loving your own country but hating thoe filthy evil foreigners?

They do not mean the same thing or that.

Space Crusader wrote:Isnt nationalism the same as patriotism? Loving your own country but hating thoe filthy evil foreigners?

Patriotism is liking and being proud of your country.

Nationalism is believing that yours is the best.

The more crowded a country gets, the worse it is.

For this reason alone, I think we should be extremely strict on immigration. There is also the fact that I am selfish, and I would rather my life be good, and my kids lives be good, then worry about starving people I don't know, in gak hole nations that I will never visit.

Our quality of life has gotten worse over the recent years, of course people are getting more right wing!

The sole reason I didn't move to California is because of that. The weather is better, but the more people there are in a place, the more it sucks, lines for everything, crowds everywhere, gridlocked traffic.

I like York because the traffic is acceptable, the lines are acceptable, there aren't that many people here. However if in ten years time the population has doubled, it will suck.

Its not a hard equation, but people like to "um and ah" and "perhaps this way?" about it because they don't want to accept what is essentially a very simple equation.

I wont even start on the fact that we import some of the very very worst people. Illiterate, uneducated, and (in the case of Iraq) actual criminals, some of the worst people in that nation moved to Europe after we invaded them.

Its simple, and Im sorry if you find it hard to deal with because your left leaning, but answer me this. If you already have crowded schools, hospitals, roads and stores, is your life going to be better or worse if 10,000 Somalian refugees move in to the local area?

Answer's on a postcard.

The more crowded a country gets, the worse it is.

For this reason alone, I think we should be extremely strict on immigration. There is also the fact that I am selfish, and I would rather my life be good, and my kids lives be good, then worry about starving people I don't know, in gak hole nations that I will never visit.

Then you should pay more attention to your birth rates and look up what happens to an economy with severe age demographic issues. Your kids need immigration, otherwise they'll be too busy paying for your old ass to ever generate wealth for themselves.

I wont even start on the fact that we import some of the very very worst people. Illiterate, uneducated, and (in the case of Iraq) actual criminals, some of the worst people in that nation moved to Europe after we invaded them.

They could say the reverse!

Its simple, and Im sorry if you find it hard to deal with because your left leaning, but answer me this. If you already have crowded schools, hospitals, roads and stores, is your life going to be better or worse if 10,000 Somalian refugees move in to the local area?

http://ipsnews.net/africa/interna.asp?idnews=27910

No postcard, but here's a link.

Answer's on a postcard.

That writing must be tiny. This issue is only simple if you don't pay much attention to how economies work.

ShumaGorath wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:I am for Nationalism, Multi-culturism has done nothing but give us new food, clothes and more crime. It has been prooven that Multi-culturism has a correlation with crime. If you move to a country, you have to become a citizen of that country. Not a citizen of another country living in that country. People who move to another country should be forced to integrate into the culture of that country.

Multiculturalism stopped your tendency to cull half of your own male population once every 40 years.

People will fight no mater what we do. It's in our nature.


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ShumaGorath wrote:

The more crowded a country gets, the worse it is.

For this reason alone, I think we should be extremely strict on immigration. There is also the fact that I am selfish, and I would rather my life be good, and my kids lives be good, then worry about starving people I don't know, in gak hole nations that I will never visit.

Then you should pay more attention to your birth rates and look up what happens to an economy with severe age demographic issues. Your kids need immigration, otherwise they'll be too busy paying for your old ass to ever generate wealth for themselves.

I wont even start on the fact that we import some of the very very worst people. Illiterate, uneducated, and (in the case of Iraq) actual criminals, some of the worst people in that nation moved to Europe after we invaded them.

They could say the reverse!

Its simple, and Im sorry if you find it hard to deal with because your left leaning, but answer me this. If you already have crowded schools, hospitals, roads and stores, is your life going to be better or worse if 10,000 Somalian refugees move in to the local area?

http://ipsnews.net/africa/interna.asp?idnews=27910

No postcard, but here's a link.

Answer's on a postcard.

That writing must be tiny. This issue is only simple if you don't pay much attention to how economies work.

Immigrants take all the jobs because they are willing to work for lower rates. They create poverty, crime and other problems. In Australia, guess who makes and sells drugs? Iraqis, Lebanese and Vietnamese. We should look after our citizens before importing some that will only make trouble.

rockerbikie wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:I am for Nationalism, Multi-culturism has done nothing but give us new food, clothes and more crime. It has been prooven that Multi-culturism has a correlation with crime. If you move to a country, you have to become a citizen of that country. Not a citizen of another country living in that country. People who move to another country should be forced to integrate into the culture of that country.

Multiculturalism stopped your tendency to cull half of your own male population once every 40 years.

People will fight no mater what we do. It's in our nature.

Other regions seem to manage to avoid starting things known as world wars though. Europe+nationalism=nationalist conflict within europe. It's not like europes crime rates have skyrocketed since multiculturalism became the value of the age post WW2. History just doesn't prove that right. White dudes are just as good at stabbing and stealing as brown ones.

Immigrants take all the jobs because they are willing to work for lower rates. They create poverty, crime and other problems. In Australia, guess who makes and sells drugs? Iraqis, Lebanese and Vietnamese. We should look after our citizens before importing some that will only make trouble.

You didn't read the link did you? Shock.

ShumaGorath wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:I am for Nationalism, Multi-culturism has done nothing but give us new food, clothes and more crime. It has been prooven that Multi-culturism has a correlation with crime. If you move to a country, you have to become a citizen of that country. Not a citizen of another country living in that country. People who move to another country should be forced to integrate into the culture of that country.

Multiculturalism stopped your tendency to cull half of your own male population once every 40 years.

People will fight no mater what we do. It's in our nature.

Other regions seem to manage to avoid starting things known as world wars though. Europe+nationalism=nationalist conflict within europe. It's not like europes crime rates have skyrocketed since multiculturalism became the value of the age post WW2. History just doesn't prove that right. White dudes are just as good at stabbing and stealing as brown ones.

Immigrants take all the jobs because they are willing to work for lower rates. They create poverty, crime and other problems. In Australia, guess who makes and sells drugs? Iraqis, Lebanese and Vietnamese. We should look after our citizens before importing some that will only make trouble.

You didn't read the link did you? Shock.

I don't read Capitalist leftist Propaganda Article created to control white people so they will eventually become enslaved like they used to be in the Barbary States. Also, the Vietnam War was fought over Nationalism, also South Africa, The Boer War, the Zulu War and the Korea War.

@OP: Sad but true...

On a recent interview political leaders Nick Griffin said he was 'Dreaming of a White-superiority Christmas' while David Cameron wanted a 'Multi-diverse mixed ethnic jamboree at this time of middle class jubilation at this peroid containing but not exclusively segregated to; Yule/Christmas/Pagan Tree day/Solstice/Dwali/Ramadan' In stark contrast Nick Clegg is said to want 'a new PR manager...'

rockerbikie wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:I am for Nationalism, Multi-culturism has done nothing but give us new food, clothes and more crime. It has been prooven that Multi-culturism has a correlation with crime. If you move to a country, you have to become a citizen of that country. Not a citizen of another country living in that country. People who move to another country should be forced to integrate into the culture of that country.

Multiculturalism stopped your tendency to cull half of your own male population once every 40 years.

People will fight no mater what we do. It's in our nature.

Other regions seem to manage to avoid starting things known as world wars though. Europe+nationalism=nationalist conflict within europe. It's not like europes crime rates have skyrocketed since multiculturalism became the value of the age post WW2. History just doesn't prove that right. White dudes are just as good at stabbing and stealing as brown ones.

Immigrants take all the jobs because they are willing to work for lower rates. They create poverty, crime and other problems. In Australia, guess who makes and sells drugs? Iraqis, Lebanese and Vietnamese. We should look after our citizens before importing some that will only make trouble.

You didn't read the link did you? Shock.

I don't read Capitalist leftist Propaganda Article created to control white people so they will eventually become enslaved like they used to be in the Barbary States. Also, the Vietnam War was fought over Nationalism, also South Africa, The Boer War, the Zulu War and the Korea War.

Europes demographic crisis isn't a leftist propaganda piece. It's been known for 20 years, some of your states are in the middle of it. Italy is one of the big ones, look at how well that's going. If you're so incapable of learning how the world works because you're worried you might get pinko eye then you're going to be useless in political discourse.

Also, if you can compare Vietnam to world war two then you have some pretty severe issues with your history knowledge (vietnam being a civil war between nationalist and communist factions funded and fought by two empires) and not a 60 country wide megabattle).

ShumaGorath wrote: Then you should pay more attention to your birth rates and look up what happens to an economy with severe age demographic issues. Your kids need immigration, otherwise they'll be too busy paying for your old ass to ever generate wealth for themselves.

I am well aware of the issues that Japan is currently facing, what your saying isnt incorrect, but you need a happy medium, and as it stands we are importing far too many illiterate peasants from the arse end of the world.

I liked the crack about the Iraqi's though..

ShumaGorath wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:I am for Nationalism, Multi-culturism has done nothing but give us new food, clothes and more crime. It has been prooven that Multi-culturism has a correlation with crime. If you move to a country, you have to become a citizen of that country. Not a citizen of another country living in that country. People who move to another country should be forced to integrate into the culture of that country.

Multiculturalism stopped your tendency to cull half of your own male population once every 40 years.

People will fight no mater what we do. It's in our nature.

Other regions seem to manage to avoid starting things known as world wars though. Europe+nationalism=nationalist conflict within europe. It's not like europes crime rates have skyrocketed since multiculturalism became the value of the age post WW2. History just doesn't prove that right. White dudes are just as good at stabbing and stealing as brown ones.

Immigrants take all the jobs because they are willing to work for lower rates. They create poverty, crime and other problems. In Australia, guess who makes and sells drugs? Iraqis, Lebanese and Vietnamese. We should look after our citizens before importing some that will only make trouble.

You didn't read the link did you? Shock.

I don't read Capitalist leftist Propaganda Article created to control white people so they will eventually become enslaved like they used to be in the Barbary States. Also, the Vietnam War was fought over Nationalism, also South Africa, The Boer War, the Zulu War and the Korea War.

Europes demographic crisis isn't a leftist propaganda piece. It's been known for 20 years, some of your states are in the middle of it. Italy is one of the big ones, look at how well that's going. If you're so incapable of learning how the world works because you're worried you might get pinko eye then you're going to be useless in political discourse.

Also, if you can compare Vietnam to world war two then you have some pretty severe issues with your history knowledge (vietnam being a civil war between nationalist and communist factions funded and fought by two empires) and not a 60 country wide megabattle).

I'm not incapable of how the world works. War is War doesn't matter how big it is. Peace is futile, peace is utter stupid in some circumstances(Iraq War). I am a Nationalist Communist, I believe that everyone should get equal wages and everyone should keep to their own kind. I dispise the idea of cross breeding because it will cause little genetic variation and it will lead to the extinction of man kind. People need to look at why people are different from an Evolution point of view, then you will realise why Multi-culturism is flawed. Do you know why there is a population crisis in European countries? Due to capitalism, people don't have enough time to look after kids, also we have condoms.

rockerbikie wrote:
I don't read Capitalist leftist Propaganda Article produced by the Zionist Conspiracy created to control white people so they will eventually become enslaved like they used to be in the Barbary States. Also, the Vietnam War was fought over Nationalism, also South Africa, The Boer War, the Zulu War and the Korea War.

You're a fun one I can tell. I helped in the quote.

mattyrm wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote: Then you should pay more attention to your birth rates and look up what happens to an economy with severe age demographic issues. Your kids need immigration, otherwise they'll be too busy paying for your old ass to ever generate wealth for themselves.

I am well aware of the issues that Japan is currently facing, what your saying isnt incorrect, but you need a happy medium, and as it stands we are importing far too many illiterate peasants from the arse end of the world.

I liked the crack about the Iraqi's though..

Then find that happy medium, stop whining about part of the solution. If you want the best and brightest of foreign nations make yourself an attractive package with schooling and aid packages that encourage them to integrate rather then form sects or turn to crime. The U.S. manged and still manages it, the UK isn't exactly having a hard time of it. Your recession isn't caused by the brownies, it's caused by the whities. The pitch colored minions of set are going to keep you afloat in 2030 when the odinsons are all greybeards.

daedalus wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:
I don't read Capitalist leftist Propaganda Article produced by the True Nationalist Conspiracy created to control white people so they will eventually become enslaved like they used to be in the Barbary States. Also, the Vietnam War was fought over Nationalism, also South Africa, The Boer War, the Zulu War and the Korea War.

You're a fun one I can tell. I helped in the quote.

I fixed it for you.

rockerbikie wrote:

daedalus wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:
I don't read Capitalist leftist Propaganda Article produced by the True Nationalist Conspiracy created to control white people so they will eventually become enslaved like they used to be in the Barbary States. Also, the Vietnam War was fought over Nationalism, also South Africa, The Boer War, the Zulu War and the Korea War.

You're a fun one I can tell. I helped in the quote.

I fixed it for you.

Are you real?

ShumaGorath wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:

daedalus wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:
I don't read Capitalist leftist Propaganda Article produced by the True Nationalist Conspiracy created to control white people so they will eventually become enslaved like they used to be in the Barbary States. Also, the Vietnam War was fought over Nationalism, also South Africa, The Boer War, the Zulu War and the Korea War.

You're a fun one I can tell. I helped in the quote.

I fixed it for you.

Are you real?

Nah. I am Demon

rockerbikie wrote: I am a Nationalist Communist, I believe that everyone should get equal wages and everyone should keep to their own kind. I dispise the idea of cross breeding because it will cause little genetic variation and it will lead to the extinction of man kind.

You have GOT to be trolling

Rockerbikie, you need to go read some more about evolution. Because your current understanding is very poor and is leading you to make crazy arguments.

As for nationalism on the rise, absolutely, as is the right.

Also, Brits, you are Europeans. You live in Europe, making you Europeans. Unless you want to attach some rockets to this fair isle and strike for the atlantic...

Rented Tritium wrote:

rockerbikie wrote: I am a Nationalist Communist, I believe that everyone should get equal wages and everyone should keep to their own kind. I dispise the idea of cross breeding because it will cause little genetic variation and it will lead to the extinction of man kind.

You have GOT to be trolling

Actually, no. I am telling you solid truth.