Nationalism in Europe?

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**rockerbikie**

Mr. Burning wrote:
rockerbikie wrote:
I meant more skin-tone lines. Think about it fair skinned is more suited to Scandivania etc while Africans are suited to Africa. Imagine if you had a mixed skinned colour and a huge ice age happened, we'd probably die out. Tall is inherently stronger than short meaning that we'd probably die out in an ice-age. If the world heated up however we'd still be in trouble because Fat is inherently stronger than slim, meaning that we'd probably not do too well in a hot environment either.

Can't see much logic going on here.

I don't think an albino right winger would have a better chance than some african chap when a glacier grinds them to powder.

Taller is only better when trying to reach a copy of 'asian babes' on the top shelf of the newsagents.

Think about this, in hotter climates people who are taller loose less body heat than short people. Look at it in Evolutionary view, not today's contempary society's view.

**Ketara**

rockerbikie wrote:This may proove to be an intersting read. Which Scientist wrote this?

That's a product of my own writing alas, I doubt you'd have access to it. However, if you're after some serious reading on the topic, I would recommend the following:-

Stephen Cornell and Douglas Hartmann- Ethnicity and Race (Pine Forge Press 1998)

Ken Blakemore and Margaret Boneham-Age, Race, and Ethnicity (Open University Press 1994)

Yasmin Gunaratnam-Researching ‘Race’ and Ethnicity (Sage Publications 2003)

Peter Wade-Race and Ethnicity in Latin America (Pluto Press 1997)

**Frazzled**

Space Crusader wrote:
Rented Tritium wrote:
Space Crusader wrote:Isnt nationalism the same as patriotism? Loving your own country but hating thoe filthy evil foreigners?

Patriotism is liking and being proud of your country.

Nationalism is believing that yours is the best.

Seems many americans are nationalists.

Its not nationalism if you're right. AMURIKA HURR!*

*Brits can stand up and Britlandia hurr as well, and are free to lean into France's seat while doing it.

**rockerbikie**

corpsesarefun wrote:
rockerbikie wrote:
The Norse beat the living daylights out of the English.

Seeing as the English as we understand them didn't exist at that time that is pretty impressive.

England has been around for centuries. The Saxons and the Angles united to form England. They were hammed multiple time by the Norse during the Norse Raids.

**Howard A Treesong**

rockerbikie wrote:
corpsesarefun wrote:That is not how anything works at all.

I can understand that different ethnic grounds have a tendency to be better suited for different environments, northern Europeans tend to be stouter and more tolerant to dairy products than say Africans or folks from the Mediterranean but an Italian woman having a kid with a Swedish bloke doesn't somehow cancel this out to make some kind of rubbish half and half child. That just isn't how anything works.

I meant more skin-tone lines. Think about it fair skinned is more suited to Scandivania etc while Africans are suited to Africa. Imagine if you had a mixed skinned colour and a huge ice age happened, we'd probably die out. Tall is inherently stronger than short meaning that we'd probably die out in an ice-age. If the world heated up however we'd still be in trouble because Fat is inherently stronger than slim, meaning that we'd probably not do too well in a hot environment either.

You are confusing genetic diversity with homogeneity. And frankly know nothing about population genetics or of human genetic diversity.

I wonder if there's a negative correlation between the people citing 'genetics' as a rationale for some position and their actual understanding of genetics. So often the people quoting 'genetics' are those that know least about the subject.

**rockerbikie**

Frazzled wrote:
Space Crusader wrote:
Rented Tritium wrote:
Space Crusader wrote:Isnt nationalism the same as patriotism? Loving your own country but hating thoe filthy evil foreigners?

Patriotism is liking and being proud of your country.

Nationalism is believing that yours is the best.

Seems many americans are nationalists.

Its not nationalism if you're right. AMURIKA HURR!*

*Brits can stand up and Britlandia hurr as well, and are free to lean into France's seat while doing it.

Do you know what Nationalism means?

**Frazzled**

Do you know what the scientific method means?

**rockerbikie**

Ketara wrote:
rockerbikie wrote:This may proove to be an intersting read. Which Scientist wrote this?

That's a product of my own writing alas, I doubt you'd have access to it. However, if you're after some serious reading on the topic, I would recommend the following:-

Stephen Cornell and Douglas Hartmann- Ethnicity and Race (Pine Forge Press 1998)

Ken Blakemore and Margaret Boneham-Age, Race, and Ethnicity (Open University Press 1994)

Yasmin Gunaratnam-Researching ‘Race’ and Ethnicity (Sage Publications 2003)

Peter Wade-Race and Ethnicity in Latin America (Pluto Press 1997)

Hmmm, looks like I might have to hit the book shop tomorrow.

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Frazzled wrote:Do you know what the scientific method means?

Here's a table:

**ShumaGorath**

ITT Rockerbike demolishes a thread.

**Ketara**

rockerbikie wrote:
Ketara wrote:
rockerbikie wrote:This may proove to be an intersting read. Which Scientist wrote this?

That's a product of my own writing alas, I doubt you'd have access to it. However, if you're after some serious reading on the topic, I would recommend the following:-

Stephen Cornell and Douglas Hartmann- Ethnicity and Race (Pine Forge Press 1998)

Ken Blakemore and Margaret Boneham-Age, Race, and Ethnicity (Open University Press 1994)

Yasmin Gunaratnam-Researching ‘Race’ and Ethnicity (Sage Publications 2003)

Peter Wade-Race and Ethnicity in Latin America (Pluto Press 1997)

Hmmm, looks like I might have to hit the book shop tomorrow.

I would seriously advise it. Without meaning to give offense, your understanding of genetics, race, and ethnicity is about seventy years out of date.

**Corpsesarefun**

rockerbikie wrote:
corpsesarefun wrote:
rockerbikie wrote:
The Norse beat the living daylights out of the English.

Seeing as the English as we understand them didn't exist at that time that is pretty impressive.

England has been around for centuries. The Saxons and the Angles united to form England. They were hammed multiple time by the Norse during the Norse Raids.

So what you are saying is two Germanic tribes were raided by a group of people from west Scandinavia and won because they were tall?

From that you deduct that the Norse beat the English because they are tall?

**Rented Tritium**

corpsesarefun wrote:
rockerbikie wrote:
The Norse beat the living daylights out of the English.

Seeing as the English as we understand them didn't exist at that time that is pretty impressive.

Not anymore. The Norse punched them right through TIME.

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Space Crusader wrote:
Rented Tritium wrote:
Space Crusader wrote:Isnt nationalism the same as patriotism? Loving your own country but hating thoe filthy evil foreigners?

Patriotism is liking and being proud of your country.

Nationalism is believing that yours is the best.

Seems many americans are nationalists.

Yes. It's a very popular mindset over here.

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corpsesarefun wrote:
rockerbikie wrote:
corpsesarefun wrote:
rockerbikie wrote:
The Norse beat the living daylights out of the English.

Seeing as the English as we understand them didn't exist at that time that is pretty impressive.

England has been around for centuries. The Saxons and the Angles united to form England. They were hammed multiple time by the Norse during the Norse Raids.

So what you are saying is two Germanic tribes were raided by a group of people from west Scandinavia and won because they were tall?

From that you deduct that the Norse beat the English because they are tall?

How does he explain pearl harbor?

**Frazzled**

The Romans however were short and they Kicked England's ass. IN fact the Roman's kicked everybodys' ass.

The Mongols were short too. The Mayans are freaking tiny. Shorter Japanese pounded hell out of Asia including all those tall Europeans. In fact it was the descendants of short Italians and Slavs who took them to task.

Germans are tall. Shorter Slavs burned their capital. Short Japanese ancestors with California accents pounded hell out of them too.

**rockerbikie**

Ketara wrote:
rockerbikie wrote:
Ketara wrote:
rockerbikie wrote:This may proove to be an intersting read. Which Scientist wrote this?

That's a product of my own writing alas, I doubt you'd have access to it. However, if you're after some serious reading on the topic, I would recommend the following:-

Stephen Cornell and Douglas Hartmann- Ethnicity and Race (Pine Forge Press 1998)

Ken Blakemore and Margaret Boneham-Age, Race, and Ethnicity (Open University Press 1994)

Yasmin Gunaratnam-Researching ‘Race’ and Ethnicity (Sage Publications 2003)

Peter Wade-Race and Ethnicity in Latin America (Pluto Press 1997)

Hmmm, looks like I might have to hit the book shop tomorrow.

I would seriously advise it. Without meaning to give offense, your understanding of genetics, race, and ethnicity is about seventy years out of date.

I suppose so, the main problem is the main bulk of my reading is mainly Communist books and books around the Age of Reason.

**Rented Tritium**

Rockerbikie turned the wayback machine inside out and is posting here from the 1940s.

WARN THE DUKE... wait too late.

**Corpsesarefun**

Frazzled wrote:The Romans however were short and they Kicked England's ass. IN fact the Roman's kicked everybodys' ass.

The Mongols were short too. The Mayans are freaking tiny. Shorter Japanese pounded hell out of Asia including all those tall Europeans. In fact it was the descendants of short Italians and Slavs who took them to task.

Germans are tall. Shorter Slavs burned their capital.

This is very true, the impact the Vikings had on Britain was FAR less than the impact the Romans had.

I say this as a tall blonde with a last name ending in son.

**Frazzled**

rockerbikie wrote:
Ketara wrote:
rockerbikie wrote:
Ketara wrote:
rockerbikie wrote:This may proove to be an intersting read. Which Scientist wrote this?

That's a product of my own writing alas, I doubt you'd have access to it. However, if you're after some serious reading on the topic, I would recommend the following:-

Stephen Cornell and Douglas Hartmann- Ethnicity and Race (Pine Forge Press 1998)

Ken Blakemore and Margaret Boneham-Age, Race, and Ethnicity (Open University Press 1994)

Yasmin Gunaratnam-Researching ‘Race’ and Ethnicity (Sage Publications 2003)

Peter Wade-Race and Ethnicity in Latin America (Pluto Press 1997)

Hmmm, looks like I might have to hit the book shop tomorrow.

I would seriously advise it. Without meaning to give offense, your understanding of genetics, race, and ethnicity is about seventy years out of date.

I suppose so, the main problem is the main bulk of my reading is mainly Communist books and books around the Age of Reason.

Yet you find no discontinuity between those two?

**Ketara**

Rented Tritium wrote:Rockerbikie turned the wayback machine inside out and is posting here from the 1940s.

WARN THE DUKE... wait too late.

Well, give the guy a break, he's been made aware of the deficiencies in his knowledge base now. If he now goes, educates himself, and corrects them, then I would say something productive will have come out of all this.

**rockerbikie**

Rented Tritium wrote:
corpsesarefun wrote:
rockerbikie wrote:
The Norse beat the living daylights out of the English.

Seeing as the English as we understand them didn't exist at that time that is pretty impressive.

Not anymore. The Norse punched them right through TIME.

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Space Crusader wrote:
Rented Tritium wrote:
Space Crusader wrote:Isnt nationalism the same as patriotism? Loving your own country but hating thoe filthy evil foreigners?

Patriotism is liking and being proud of your country.

Nationalism is believing that yours is the best.

Seems many americans are nationalists.

Yes. It's a very popular mindset over here.

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corpsesarefun wrote:
rockerbikie wrote:
corpsesarefun wrote:
rockerbikie wrote:
The Norse beat the living daylights out of the English.

Seeing as the English as we understand them didn't exist at that time that is pretty impressive.

England has been around for centuries. The Saxons and the Angles united to form England. They were hammed multiple time by the Norse during the Norse Raids.

So what you are saying is two Germanic tribes were raided by a group of people from west Scandinavia and won because they were tall?

From that you deduct that the Norse beat the English because they are tall?

How does he explain pearl harbor?

No. They beat the English because they were masters of the sea. It was America's fault for the bombing of Pearl Harbour. There is no Evolutionary strength needed to press a button. The Americans embargoed trade with Japan, they had it coming.

**Rented Tritium**

Ketara wrote:
Rented Tritium wrote:Rockerbikie turned the wayback machine inside out and is posting here from the 1940s.

WARN THE DUKE... wait too late.

Well, give the guy a break, he's been made aware of the deficiencies in his knowledge base now. If he now goes, educates himself, and corrects them, then I would say something productive will have come out of all this.

Yeah, I'm just teasing him a little. This has been way more productive than I would have predicted.

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rockerbikie wrote:
rented tritium wrote:
How does he explain pearl harbor?
No. They beat the English because they were masters of the sea. It was America's fault for the bombing of Pearl Harbour. There is no Evolutionary strength needed to press a button. The Americans embargoed trade with Japan, they had it coming.

Right so, wouldn't that imply that if significant differences exist (disputed), AND mixing races would eliminate those advantages (also disputed) that it wouldn't matter because technology is there to fill in the gaps either way?

I mean I've seen some pretty compelling arguments that technology has slowed down our evolution to a crawl because we have a really high survival rate by animal standards AND a very long reproduction.

So looking at it as evolution, even if you're right about everything else, doesn't seem super useful.

**rockerbikie**

Frazzled wrote:
rockerbikie wrote:
Ketara wrote:
rockerbikie wrote:
Ketara wrote:
rockerbikie wrote:This may proove to be an intersting read. Which Scientist wrote this?

That's a product of my own writing alas, I doubt you'd have access to it. However, if you're after some serious reading on the topic, I would recommend the following:-

Stephen Cornell and Douglas Hartmann- Ethnicity and Race (Pine Forge Press 1998)

Ken Blakemore and Margaret Boneham-Age, Race, and Ethnicity (Open University Press 1994)

Yasmin Gunaratnam-Researching ‘Race’ and Ethnicity (Sage Publications 2003)

Peter Wade-Race and Ethnicity in Latin America (Pluto Press 1997)

Hmmm, looks like I might have to hit the book shop tomorrow.

I would seriously advise it. Without meaning to give offense, your understanding of genetics, race, and ethnicity is about seventy years out of date.

I suppose so, the main problem is the main bulk of my reading is mainly Communist books and books around the Age of Reason.

Yet you find no discontinuity between those two?

They do have pratical limits. Communism is not pratical due to human greed.

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Rented Tritium wrote:
Ketara wrote:
Rented Tritium wrote:Rockerbikie turned the wayback machine inside out and is posting here from the 1940s.

WARN THE DUKE... wait too late.

Well, give the guy a break, he's been made aware of the deficiencies in his knowledge base now. If he now goes, educates himself, and corrects them, then I would say something productive will have come out of all this.

Yeah, I'm just teasing him a little. This has been way more productive than I would have predicted.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

rockerbikie wrote:
rented tritium wrote:
How does he explain pearl harbor?
No. They beat the English because they were masters of the sea. It was America's fault for the bombing of Pearl Harbour. There is no Evolutionary strength needed to press a button. The Americans embargoed trade with Japan, they had it coming.

Right so, wouldn't that imply that if significant differences exist (disputed), AND mixing races would eliminate those advantages (also disputed) that it wouldn't matter because technology is there to fill in the gaps either way?

I mean I've seen some pretty compelling arguments that technology has slowed down our evolution to a crawl because we have a really high survival rate by animal standards AND a very long reproduction.

So looking at it as evolution, even if you're right about everything else, doesn't seem super useful.

Though we don't want to become to dependant on technology. Without modern technology, 95% of us wouldn't survive because they don't teach survival skills thse days ecept in Man vs Wild(which isn't really teaching).

**Kilkrazy**

The last native born Nordic king of England was of course Cnut, who had the run in with the flood tide.

**AustonT**

rockerbikie wrote:
Ketara wrote:
rockerbikie wrote:I'm not incapable of how the world works. War is War doesn't matter how big it is. Peace is futile, peace is utter stupid in some circumstances(Iraq War). I am a Nationalist Communist, I believe that everyone should get equal wages and everyone should keep to their own kind. I dispise the idea of cross breeding because it will cause little genetic variation and it will lead to the extinction of man kind. People need to look at why people are different from an Evolution point of view, then you will realise why Multi-culturism is flawed. Do you know why there is a population crisis in European countries? Due to capitalism, people don't have enough time to look after kids, also we have condoms.

You know, you almost took me in for a minute there. I almost believed you were serious.

Because you are joking/trolling for a laugh, right? Right?!

No... You do not realise that my avatar is a profile picture of Varg Vikerness, a far-right political activist.

You mean Varg Vikerness the musician and murderer?

**RatBot**

I was about to say...

Guys, he's got a Varg Vikernes avatar. You know, the super-racist black metal musician and murderer who has spent the majority of his adult life in prison, who espouses pseudo-spiritual-intellectual nonsense and, if I'm not mistaken, once claimed that Christianity was, get this, Jewish conspiracy to exert control over Europeans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varg_Vikernes

His clearly well-thought out and profound insights on the Norway attacks:

http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=70328

TL;DR version: Varg thinks Brevik was actually working under orders from the Mossad and the Freemasons.

**ShumaGorath**

AustonT wrote:
rockerbikie wrote:
Ketara wrote:
rockerbikie wrote:I'm not incapable of how the world works. War is War doesn't matter how big it is. Peace is futile, peace is utter stupid in some circumstances(Iraq War). I am a Nationalist Communist, I believe that everyone should get equal wages and everyone should keep to their own kind. I dispise the idea of cross breeding because it will cause little genetic variation and it will lead to the extinction of man kind. People need to look at why people are different from an Evolution point of view, then you will realise why Multi-culturism is flawed. Do you know why there is a population crisis in European countries? Due to capitalism, people don't have enough time to look after kids, also we have condoms.

You know, you almost took me in for a minute there. I almost believed you were serious.

Because you are joking/trolling for a laugh, right? Right?!

No... You do not realise that my avatar is a profile picture of Varg Vikerness, a far-right political activist.

You mean Varg Vikerness the musician and murderer?

I'm fairly confidant we're all being trolled.

**Phototoxin**

RatBot wrote:I was about to say...

Guys, he's got a Varg Vikernes avatar. You know, the super-racist black metal musician and murderer who has spent the majority of his adult life in prison, who espouses pseudo-spiritual-intellectual nonsense and, if I'm not mistaken, once claimed that Christianity was, get this, Jewish conspiracy to exert control over Europeans.

These days it more like control over the Americans... but why mix genetics with politics.

Nationalism comes to a head when the country is in the sh*tter.

Also not taking the BNP seriously is dangerous. Heir Hitler got into power because the rest of the boys walked out in protest. This happens to the BNP - they get ignored which in and of itself is undemocratic.

Also in terms of race, I believe we're homo sapiens. Special people like me are homo mega-pen-island

**HudsonD**

rockerbikie wrote:I dispise the idea of cross breeding because it will cause little genetic variation

Er... LOL ? :p

**RatBot**

Phototoxin wrote:
RatBot wrote:I was about to say...

Guys, he's got a Varg Vikernes avatar. You know, the super-racist black metal musician and murderer who has spent the majority of his adult life in prison, who espouses pseudo-spiritual-intellectual nonsense and, if I'm not mistaken, once claimed that Christianity was, get this, Jewish conspiracy to exert control over Europeans.

These days it more like control over the Americans... but why mix genetics with politics.

Meh, pretty sure Varg hates America cuz we're all Jewish Zionist Mongrel Freemasons.

**Joey**

"Using advertisments on facebook group pages"
I stopped reading after that.

**kronk**

Damn. My ignore list is now twice as long as my friend list.

Thanks rockerbikie!