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Obama Administration Won’t Call Military Base Attacks Acts Of Terrorism
Americans are continuing to receive a message of confusion and out of control political correctness from the Obama Administration. During today’s first ever joint session of the Senate and House Homeland Security Committee, Maine’s Republican Senator Susan Collins spoke about a recent letter from the Department of Defense that described the Fort Hood shooting as “Workplace Violence.” Senator Collins expressed concern about the DOD’s refusal to call the shooting Islamic Terrorism despite the fact that Major Nidal Malik Hasan is reported to have shouted “Allahu Akbar” (Arabic for “God is Great”) when he killed 13 and wounded 29 on on November 5, 2009. After the Major Hasan was finally subdued, it was revealed that he had an additional 177 rounds of ammunition in his pockets including several large capacity magazines. It was only the heroic actions of Police officers Kimberly Munley and Mark Todd that prevented the deaths of many more at the Fort Hood Readiness Processing Center.
Major Hasan, who was a U.S. Army Psychiatrist, had a record of agitating among his fellow soldiers for his Islamic beliefs. “Some of Hasan’s former colleagues have said he performed substandard work and occasionally unnerved them by expressing fervent Islamic views and deep opposition to the U.S.-led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.” (Yochi J. Dreazen (November 17, 2009). “Army Plans Fort Hood Probe”. Wall Street Journal.) It was later revealed by investigators that Major Hasan had been in email contact with notorious al Qaeda Leader Anwar al-Awlaki, who said “”Nidal Hasan is a hero, the fact that fighting against the U.S. army is an Islamic duty today cannot be disputed. Nidal has killed soldiers who were about to be deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan in order to kill Muslims.” (Michael Isikoff (November 9, 2009). “Imam anwar al awlaki calls hasan hero”. Newsweek.) Anwar al-Awlaki, also an American Citizen, was killed by an unmanned drone in Yemen On September 30th, 2011.
Representative Peter King of New York was equally outspoken in his comments at the Joint Hearings. King, the Republican chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, told Fox News that military service members are “symbols of America’s power, symbols of America’s might. And if [military personnel] can be killed, then that is a great propaganda victory for al Qaeda.” King went on to say “there is a serious threat within the military from people who have enlisted who are radical jihadists. Radical Islamists use our constitutional freedoms to sabotage our system of government from the inside. Once inside, they will work to shut the door on any dissent. That’s what organizations like the Council on American-Islamic Relations (C.A.I.R.) have been doing.” King is one of the strongest advocates against Islamic Terror in current American politics and has taken a strong stance against the Obama policy of refusing to identify the enemy.
Darius Long, the father of Army Pvt. William Andrew Long, who was shot and killed at an Arkansas military recruitment center in 2009, made the following statement on the confusing policy of the Obama Administration on terror, ”My faith in government is diminished. It invents euphemisms … Little Rock is a drive by and Fort Hood is just workplace violence. The truth is denied.” Private Long was killed by Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, aka Carlos Leon Bledsoe, a recent convert to Islam, at an Arkansas military recruitment center in a shooting that left another soldier seriously wounded. The shooter told police,”"the attack was justified according to Islamic Laws and the Islamic Religion. Jihad—to fight those who wage war on Islam and Muslims.” Bledsoe had returned from 16 months terror training in Yemen and told police, “he had intended to kill as many Army personnel as possible.”
Since 2001 there have been a reported 33 terror attacks or attempted terror attacks in the United States involving accused perpetrators who were Islamic and claimed to be in support of Jihad against America and Israel. It is puzzling to many why the Obama Administration has such a confusing policy. On the one hand is the Administration’s refusal to even mention Islam in connection with terror and other hand, there is the targeted killing of American Citizen Anwar al-Awlaki, who went over to the side of Radical Islam. While many of Obama’s policies are difficult to gauge, perhaps nothing is as baffling as his utter refusal to link Radical Islam with Terror. This refusal has served to push Americans into opposing camps with liberals supporting Obama’s every move and conservatives even accusing Obama of being a foreign born Muslim. It is a failure of leadership that has only deepened the political divide in America. Could it be that Obama is more concerned with doing and saying whatever he thinks will get him re-elected than acting Presidential. In troubling times, with the many difficulties facing America, it is time for clear policies and true leadership; not more politics as usual.
Do you think Obama should be more open about who is behind the terror
Ducking and dodging over there and now I have to duck and dodge now that I'm home. This blows. So fellow Dakkas. Whats your take on this.
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It's just a piece of crap got up by right wingers to make another stick to beat Obama.
There are 1.8 million Muslims in the USA (CIA World Factbook 2001). Only 33 have committed alleged acts of terrorism in 10 years.
Why associate your fellow citizens of the muslim religion specifically with international islamic terrorism?
From a statistical viewpoint it's false. From a political viewpoint it would be aimless unless you are the kind of right-wing ideologue who wants to bind his natural constituency closer by demonising a minority out group.
Remember kids, violence is only and always terrorism when a Muslim is involved. Virginia tech? Not terrorism. Dude was korean! Mass shootings by latino drug gangs? Certainly not terrorism, they're the wrong shade of brown!
We have to remember who the enemy is. Otherwise how will we know when and where to point cameras and shout about muslims and freedom? Its not like shootings sprees always cause terror. They're only scary when haaj is shoutin' somethin' 'bout allah!
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What it comes down to is, did he have contact with al qaeda before the attack?
If he had contact with them, even electronic contact, then I want it called terrorism.
If not, then it's a grey area. I think even without contact, a certain degree of obsession and sympathy for their cause might raise it to that level, but it's subjective.
I haven't read any reports on this or anything, so I have no idea how I would classify it.
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How much terrorism and bombings came from white supremacists in the same period? This still continues to occur in the US. Reporting has simply shifted because the media want to change the narrative of the news. News is complex, thus they construct a simple narrative for public consumption and pick stories which fit it. There were muslim terrorists before 9/11 just as there are white terrorists after it, but the reporting has changed.
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Rented Tritium wrote:What it comes down to is, did he have contact with al qaeda before the attack?
If he had contact with them, even electronic contact, then I want it called terrorism.
If not, then it's a grey area. I think even without contact, a certain degree of obsession and sympathy for their cause might raise it to that level, but it's subjective.
I haven't read any reports on this or anything, so I have no idea how I would classify it.
Why does the label matter? What is the difference? Are the people less dead? Was he more evil if he knew where mecca was at all times? Is this gak relevant in any possible way outside of just being an anti democratic gak stain of an article?
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Rented Tritium wrote:What it comes down to is, did he have contact with al qaeda before the attack?
If he had contact with them, even electronic contact, then I want it called terrorism.
If not, then it's a grey area. I think even without contact, a certain degree of obsession and sympathy for their cause might raise it to that level, but it's subjective.
I haven't read any reports on this or anything, so I have no idea how I would classify it.
Why does the label matter? What is the difference? Are the people less dead?
Because different government agencies have purview over the two classifications. Who does the report, who assists the victims, who responds, what we say, etc. Those things are all determined by the classification. It won't matter to most people, but down in all the paperwork it's somewhat important.
Was he more evil if he knew where mecca was at all times?
Well THAT's out of left field. When did I say anything about classing him as a terrorist because he was a muslim? I said class him as a terrorist if he had contact with al qaeda. Maybe you're the bigot here if you see al qaeda and assume I meant muslim. When I say al qaeda, I am referring to an officially recognized terrorist group.
Is this gak relevant in any possible way outside of just being an anti democratic gak stain of an article?
Chill out and actually read my post, there, pal. Maybe dial down the emotional response and DEFINITELY don't assign positions to me that I have NEVER expressed, kthx.
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Charlie Brooker makes my point better. Bare in mind the programme is satirical while making serious points.
I don't think Obama should shy away from calling terrorists 'terrorists'. However there's a distinct shift towards thinking that terrorists are muslims.
I think the US goverment, it's two main political parties, and fox news are terrorists. I mean they all have over 5 days worth of food in their homes, and they spread fear and discontentment, and misinformation.
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I mean they all have over 5 days worth of food in their homes, and they spread fear and discontentment, and misinformation.
PPffftttt amateurs...I've two weeks supply of food. Also I'm an NCO so the other three can also apply to me.
Think the issue at hand is americans being label as terrorist in these acts. Its America...
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Kilkrazy wrote:It's just a piece of crap got up by right wingers to make another stick to beat Obama.
There are 1.8 million Muslims in the USA (CIA World Factbook 2001). Only 33 have committed alleged acts of terrorism in 10 years.
Why associate your fellow citizens of the muslim religion specifically with international islamic terrorism?
From a statistical viewpoint it's false. From a political viewpoint it would be aimless unless you are the kind of right-wing ideologue who wants to bind his natural constituency closer by demonising a minority out group.
As always, me being such a well rounded and centrist individual I think the truth is somewhere in between Shuma and KKs view, and the ridiculous gak that the bloke who wrote that article wrote.
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
ShumaGorath wrote:Remember kids, violence is only and always terrorism when a Muslim is involved. Virginia tech? Not terrorism. Dude was korean! Mass shootings by latino drug gangs? Certainly not terrorism, they're the wrong shade of brown!
We have to remember who the enemy is. Otherwise how will we know when and where to point cameras and shout about muslims and freedom? Its not like shootings sprees always cause terror. They're only scary when haaj is shoutin' somethin' 'bout allah!
Of those, only the "mass shootings by Latino drug gangs" come close to fitting the accepted definition of terrorism.
And really, it only comes into play in Central/South America where it's referred to as "narcoterrorism" as the drug gangs are actively and continually engaged in conflict with the government forces trying to stop them or take control of the drug trade for themselves.
If something simply has to "cause terror" to be terrorism then drunk drivers, gun control lobbyists, and Obama are all considered terrorists.
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Should Mexican drug cartels be considered terrorist organizations? They murder, plot, kidnap, and dismember bodies. They're also responsible for shootouts, explosions, fires and other atrocities.
U.S. Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, the chairman of the Homeland Security Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee, says they should.
McCaul has introduced a bill that would add Mexico's six dominant cartels to the State Department's foreign terrorist organizations list. The criminal organizations included in the bill are the Arellano Felix organization, Los Zetas, Beltran Leyva, Familia Michoacana, Sinaloa Cartel, and the Gulf Cartel/New Federation.
If the bill is approved, it would allow law enforcement agencies to have increased powers to limit cartels' financial property and travel interests and impose harsher punishments on anyone who provides material support to cartels.
In announcing his bill, McCaul said that "the [Mexican] cartels use violence to gain political and economic influence. They have taken control of much of northern Mexico and spillover crime has resulted in the abandonment of property and loss of security on the U.S. side of the border."
But the bill has ruffled some feathers in the Mexican government. After the Dallas Morning News supported it on a recent editorial, Mexican Ambassador to the U.S. Arturo Sarukhan fired back in a letter to the newspaper's editor.
In the letter, Sarukhan says that "if you label these organizations as terrorist, you will have to start calling drug consumers in the U.S. 'financiers of terrorist organizations' and gun dealers 'providers of material support to terrorists.'"
"Otherwise," the ambassador wrote, "you really sound as if you want to have your cake and eat it too."
At a House Judiciary Committee hearing on March 16, FBI Director Robert Mueller expressed concern about the danger posed by the cartels. "The extreme violence across our Southwest border continues to impact the United States as we saw the murders last March of American consulate workers in Juarez, Mexico and the shooting last month of two U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents in Mexico," Mueller said.
Consular employee Lesley Enriquez and her husband Arthur Redelfs were shot and killed in Juarez, Mexico by gangs affiliated with a drug cartel, according to Mexican authorities.
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Because different government agencies have purview over the two classifications. Who does the report, who assists the victims, who responds, what we say, etc. Those things are all determined by the classification.
Yeah, I'm sure this letter is the final determinant of classification here. Once that gaks in the mail nothing else matters. Also, this was DoD personnel on a DoD facility and they have systems in place that deal with such acts. If the CIA wants authority then they can use the same channels that they use to take authority whether the report classifies the act as one of terrorism or not. The classification is almost irrelevant because the classification is determined by the agencies that would be taking authority, not the ones that would be ceding it.
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ShumaGorath wrote:Remember kids, violence is only and always terrorism when a Muslim is involved. Virginia tech? Not terrorism. Dude was korean! Mass shootings by latino drug gangs? Certainly not terrorism, they're the wrong shade of brown!
We have to remember who the enemy is. Otherwise how will we know when and where to point cameras and shout about muslims and freedom? Its not like shootings sprees always cause terror. They're only scary when haaj is shoutin' somethin' 'bout allah!
Of those, only the "mass shootings by Latino drug gangs" come close to fitting the accepted definition of terrorism.
And really, it only comes into play in Central/South America where it's referred to as "narcoterrorism" as the drug gangs are actively and continually engaged in conflict with the government forces trying to stop them or take control of the drug trade for themselves.
If something simply has to "cause terror" to be terrorism then drunk drivers, gun control lobbyists, and Obama are all considered terrorists.
Kinda makes you wonder why the classification is so important when it means almost nothing. Financial contributors to terrorism can and have been considered terrorists before, and actions that would be considered in line with terrorist are performed by agencies such as the CIA with regularity.
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Yeah, I'm sure this letter is the final determinant of classification here. Once that gaks in the mail nothing else matters. Also, this was DoD personnel on a DoD facility and they have systems in place that deal with such acts. If the CIA wants authority then they can use the same channels that they use to take authority whether the report classifies the act as one of terrorism or not. The classification is almost irrelevant because the classification is determined by the agencies that would be taking authority, not the ones that would be ceding it.
If it's so meaningless then why are you getting so angry about it ITT?
ShumaGorath wrote: Yeah, I'm sure this letter is the final determinant of classification here. Once that gaks in the mail nothing else matters. Also, this was DoD personnel on a DoD facility and they have systems in place that deal with such acts. If the CIA wants authority then they can use the same channels that they use to take authority whether the report classifies the act as one of terrorism or not. The classification is almost irrelevant because the classification is determined by the agencies that would be taking authority, not the ones that would be ceding it.
If it's so meaningless then why are you getting so angry about it ITT?
Because I had to get up early this morning. Also, terrorism classification issues are a peeve of mine since the term has no actual classification and everyone, including people in government change it's meaning daily to prop up whatever the bs of the day is (the bs of the day right now being that Obama is weak on terrorism).
Whenever debates begin on whether someone can be classified as a terrorist it's virtually always political since the machinery that deals with such issues doesn't use those classifications.
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He refering to the organizations of terrorists mainly AL Queda. How about the individuals who tries to commit acts of terrorism here in the states.
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Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
McViegh target was specific
Cho was whoever was in his line of sight.
I see where you going with it though.
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Jihadin wrote:How about the individuals who tries to commit acts of terrorism here in the states.
Like Timmy McVeigh or Seung-Hui Cho?
Eric Rudolph, also. I don't understand how he avoided the "terrorist" label. He's a religious extremist who carried out a series of bombings, FFS.
He didn't
The fatal bombing in Atlanta was a terrorist attack aimed at thousands of innocent persons gathered at the Olympic Park," said Louis Freeh, Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). "Within the FBI's Domestic Terrorism Program, there is no higher priority than the capture of Eric Robert Rudolph."
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WoW....he still on the loose...probaly living out of some old mining camp, killing boars with a knife, and running around with a spear.
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He was caught in 2003, the memo is from 1998.
Just pointing out he never escaped the label of terroist, even before it hit our cultural radar. I'm sure today he would "Have connections to Al Qaeda" like they are the only terrorists left in the world. What happened to the good old IRA, anti-abortionists, and Libyan hijackers.
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