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2012/02/08 05:14:57
Subject: Woman Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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Article
A snippet of the full article.
Arizona's Supreme Court on Tuesday ruled that a city council candidate with limited English language skills can be kept off the ballot in a largely bilingual town on the Mexico border.
A Yuma County Superior Court judge touched off a furor last week when he disqualified Alejandrina Cabrera, 35, from running for city council in the town of San Luis over what he called a "large gap" between her English proficiency and that required to serve as a public official.
It will be interesting to see what comes of this.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/02/08 08:34:48
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2012/02/08 05:20:38
Subject: Women Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Nigel Stillman
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Personally I wouldn't have a problem with her being on the ballot.
Sure she may have difficulty fulfilling her duties on the council because of her limited English language skills, but that seems like an issue for the voters to me.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2012/02/08 18:50:01
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2012/02/08 05:38:56
Subject: Women Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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This could be a group collective that all shares one mind and one thought process, identifying themselves singularly to keep the confusion to a minimum.
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2012/02/08 05:44:09
Subject: Women Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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Ma55ter_fett wrote:Sure she may have difficulty fulfilling her duties on the council because of her limited English language skills, but that seems like an issue for the voters to me.
I concur. It's seldom that a field of candidates is improved by artificially narrowing the ballot.
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2012/02/08 05:47:27
Subject: Women Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Nigel Stillman
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WarOne wrote:This could be a group collective that all shares one mind and one thought process, identifying themselves singularly to keep the confusion to a minimum.
Well its not working
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2012/02/08 05:48:23
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2012/02/08 05:53:23
Subject: Women Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Ma55ter_fett wrote:WarOne wrote:This could be a group collective that all shares one mind and one thought process, identifying themselves singularly to keep the confusion to a minimum.
Well its not working
Singular, not plural. No hive mind, just one mind.
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2012/02/08 06:01:19
Subject: Women Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Nigel Stillman
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WarOne wrote:Ma55ter_fett wrote:WarOne wrote:This could be a group collective that all shares one mind and one thought process, identifying themselves singularly to keep the confusion to a minimum.
Well its not working
Singular, not plural. No hive mind, just one mind.
So you are insinuating that it takes an entire crowd of women to make one functioning consiousness?
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2012/02/08 06:10:05
Subject: Re:Women Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Yeah, it seems like if the language barrier would make for a poorer government, then that's something for the electorate to consider when voting, not something to be decided for them.
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2012/02/08 06:33:33
Subject: Women Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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Arizona has named its official language as English, as have numerous other states; many of which are not on the southern border.
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2012/02/08 08:40:20
Subject: Women Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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Ma55ter_fett wrote:Also "woman" not "women," one letter makes all the difference to the context in this case 
I saw that when I came back and changed it.
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2012/02/08 08:51:25
Subject: Woman Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Could a local town council decide the official language of the town?
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2012/02/08 12:51:29
Subject: Woman Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Warplord Titan Princeps of Tzeentch
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Kilkrazy wrote:Could a local town council decide the official language of the town?
In the words of one of my mentors: "It depends."
Best legal advice ever.
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2012/02/08 15:38:04
Subject: Woman Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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If she needed eo speak english for the job and she can speak a little already I am sure she would learn very quickly.
The best way to learn a language is to use it.
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2012/02/08 15:39:13
Subject: Re:Woman Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I personally dont see the problem with her running. If people have a problem with her English, then she simply wont get voted for, problem solved.
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2012/02/08 15:55:13
Subject: Woman Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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What are legal impediments to a US citizen running for office?
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2012/02/08 16:02:05
Subject: Woman Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Kilkrazy wrote:What are legal impediments to a US citizen running for office?
Not being a Felon. (May have exceptions but generally true)
Not being a natural born citizen. (President only - exemption apparently for current office holder)
Not legal impediment but practical. $$$$$$$$ ( You don't have it, you don't win.)
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2012/02/08 16:16:12
Subject: Woman Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Warplord Titan Princeps of Tzeentch
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Kilkrazy wrote:What are legal impediments to a US citizen running for office?
- backing of a major party or signature requirement
- age
- residence
- citizenship
- competency/licensure
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2012/02/08 16:23:12
Subject: Woman Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Fixture of Dakka
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When I think of how pissed people get trying to hold an understandable conversation with a customer service worker from another country, I can see the folly of a someone without the language skills running for a government position in the U.S.
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2012/02/08 16:53:21
Subject: Re:Women Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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sebster wrote:Yeah, it seems like if the language barrier would make for a poorer government, then that's something for the electorate to consider when voting, not something to be decided for them.
Actually it is. If Arizona wants Spanish to be the official language, than the rest of the states can suck it. English - people speak English in Arizona?
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2012/02/08 16:56:32
Subject: Woman Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Rogue Daemonhunter fueled by Chaos
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biccat wrote:In the words of one of my mentors: "It depends."
Best legal advice ever.
And the only good legal advice you'll get without paying upfront for the lawyer to research all the facts.
If Arizona has an official language, and she can't speak it, I don't see the problem.
I mean, I see the problem with some of the reasoning behind the law, but that's a different kettle of fish.
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2012/02/08 17:56:33
Subject: Woman Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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Sonophos wrote:If she needed eo speak english for the job and she can speak a little already I am sure she would learn very quickly.
The best way to learn a language is to use it.
She was born here, lived in Mexico and came back around 15 years old, spent the last 20 years in the USA and still doesn't speak English well enough to keep these shenanigans from happening.
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2012/02/08 18:48:58
Subject: Woman Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Fixture of Dakka
On a boat, Trying not to die.
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DAaddict wrote:Not being a natural born citizen. (President only - exemption apparently for current office holder)
Wait a tick....
This is his US Birth Certificate.
I'm sorry, but really? Birthers irk me almost as much as people who think that Obama being secret Muslim will crush the US, if he even is one.
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2012/02/08 18:51:06
Subject: Woman Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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DAaddict wrote:Kilkrazy wrote:What are legal impediments to a US citizen running for office?
Not being a Felon. (May have exceptions but generally true)
Not being a natural born citizen. (President only - exemption apparently for current office holder)
Not legal impediment but practical. $$$$$$$$ ( You don't have it, you don't win.)
I was under the impression this had been dealt with...
Anyway, this seems fair. If her English really was that bad then it's probably best she improves it before she runs for office...
Maybe next time?
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2012/02/08 18:51:09
Subject: Women Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Nigel Stillman
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Ahtman wrote:Ma55ter_fett wrote:
I saw that when I came back and changed it.
Changed what?
I see no mistakes
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2012/02/08 23:11:41
Subject: Woman Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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Ahtman wrote:
She was born here, lived in Mexico and came back around 15 years old, spent the last 20 years in the USA and still doesn't speak English well enough to keep these shenanigans from happening.
I would be curious to hear her actually speak.
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2012/02/08 23:48:27
Subject: Woman Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Fixture of Dakka
Manchester UK
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Sarah Palin lacks proficiency in English, but it doesn't seem to have held her back too badly.
BOOM!
Yeah, I went there.
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I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.
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2012/02/09 01:14:31
Subject: Re:Woman Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Rightfully so too. Im pretty sure shes the most hated politician (or former) in America. I know I just want to slap anyone that mentions her
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2012/02/09 02:38:19
Subject: Woman Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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Chowderhead wrote:DAaddict wrote:Not being a natural born citizen. (President only - exemption apparently for current office holder)
Wait a tick....
This is his US Birth Certificate.
I'm sorry, but really? Birthers irk me almost as much as people who think that Obama being secret Muslim will crush the US, if he even is one.
There is no real reason to respond to these sorts of posts. People who, in 2012, even after the long form, still dispute that Obama is a US citizen are either trolls, or willfully ignorant and neither one is worth anyone's time.
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2012/02/09 02:45:29
Subject: Woman Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Ouze wrote:Chowderhead wrote:DAaddict wrote:Not being a natural born citizen. (President only - exemption apparently for current office holder)
Wait a tick....
This is his US Birth Certificate.
I'm sorry, but really? Birthers irk me almost as much as people who think that Obama being secret Muslim will crush the US, if he even is one.
There is no real reason to respond to these sorts of posts. People who, in 2012, even after the long form, still dispute that Obama is a US citizen, or bought a nice birth certificate, are either trolls, or willfully ignorant and neither one is worth anyone's time.
There, fixed that for ya.
Hell no... This is AMERICA! Where we speak ENGLISH.... or at least a form of it.
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2012/02/09 03:27:38
Subject: Women Barred From Office For Lacking English Proficiency
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
Houston, Tx
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dogma wrote:Arizona has named its official language as English, as have numerous other states; many of which are not on the southern border.
There you go, case closed.
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