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The entire combined forces of the North Korean and Iranian armies.

My money is on the Terminators, my local GW was split on the issue.

What weapons do they even have that can penetrate Space Marine armor, much less Terminators.

IIRC North Korea have the most land based artillery pieces in the world...
I think North Korea and Iran might win...
That said Terminator armour is horrendously tough...

purplefood wrote:IIRC North Korea have the most land based artillery pieces in the world...
I think North Korea and Iran might win...
That said Terminator armour is horrendously tough...

It would be hard to range find the Terminators, as they would always be on the move IMO.

Alexzandvar wrote:

purplefood wrote:IIRC North Korea have the most land based artillery pieces in the world...
I think North Korea and Iran might win...
That said Terminator armour is horrendously tough...

It would be hard to range find the Terminators, as they would always be on the move IMO.

Yeah but it's not like they could move that quickly...

purplefood wrote:

Alexzandvar wrote:

purplefood wrote:IIRC North Korea have the most land based artillery pieces in the world...
I think North Korea and Iran might win...
That said Terminator armour is horrendously tough...

It would be hard to range find the Terminators, as they would always be on the move IMO.

Yeah but it's not like they could move that quickly...

Terminators also have teleporter packs, not to mention of those shells could damage the armor.

I mean they would be able to kill the terminators at range but the terminators would just teleport right next to the leaders and smack them in the face and the rest of the armies would see the giants in front of them and pro ally try to fight for a second but once they realized that their bullets were just bouncing off (I can see all those screaming Koreans just running in fear as I'm typing kinda funny) they would just run in fear because the man they pray to as a god just got smacked in the face and there wasn't anything they could do about it.

Alexzandvar wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Alexzandvar wrote:

purplefood wrote:IIRC North Korea have the most land based artillery pieces in the world...
I think North Korea and Iran might win...
That said Terminator armour is horrendously tough...

It would be hard to range find the Terminators, as they would always be on the move IMO.

Yeah but it's not like they could move that quickly...

Terminators also have teleporter packs, not to mention of those shells could damage the armor.

I'm pretty sure they don't...
They can be teleported but so can a lot of things...
Teleporting is simply one of the best ways for them to enter battle but it does need a ship capable of doing so to actually manage it.
Whether the shells could actually damage them is important but considering how many shells they'd have and how long to shell them i'd say they'd manage it eventually...

This is an odd question.

Coolyo294 wrote:This is an odd question.

My local GW and EvE online buddies like odd questions.

Thats really the only way I can explain it

I believe Alex was thinking of the DoW games where they can teleport about. That said, termies deepstrike on in and the artillery becomes useless as they would get too close. Near impervious to small arms so majority of troops are useless. Tanks would be a significant threat, but quickly neutralized with krak missiles and neither army has a large armored corps. The big threats would be anti-tank weaponry, but I'm not sure how prolific those are in either army and the sheer amount of AP firepower termies pack and their helmet sensors would reduce that threat. Traditional tactics of using buildings as cover in city fighting would mean less against space marines as they are not fighting for hearts and minds. If the building is an issue, they will get rid of the issue.

If you look at how efficient the US is at fighting traditional wars, then imagine even more superior firepower and body armor, there's not a lot of hope for the two armies. You have two massive armies and they can't put all of that firepower in one spot, whereas the space marines are very small in number but powerful so they would be able to focus their strength in small areas and exploit weaknesses to greater effect.

Belial and 20 Terminator squads with Land Raiders, and Dreadnoughts, the real life armies do not stand a chance.

DeathReaper, how many points do you think Iran and N. Korea can field? I'm pretty sure you'll have room for more than 20 termies.

The Archer artillery system is so accurate that an Archer can snipe. It can fire one normal shot and hit a Volkswagen at 31 miles, I'm sure it can it a terminator.

Surtur wrote:DeathReaper, how many points do you think Iran and N. Korea can field? I'm pretty sure you'll have room for more than 20 termies.

Well he asked about the Dark Angels 1st Company, which consists of Belial,Master of the Deathwing, Chaplains, Apothecaries, Standard Bearers, 20 Terminator squads, Dreadnoughts, and Land Raiders.

according to the lexicanum: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dark_Angels#.T0LxAcWXR2A

They would not need anything more than 20 terminator squads, the 20 land raiders to carry them into battle, and the host of dreadnoughts they have.

broodstar wrote:The Archer artillery system is so accurate that an Archer can snipe. It can fire one normal shot and hit a Volkswagen at 31 miles, I'm sure it can it a terminator.

and how do you think they will fare against a host of Land Raiders with their Twin Linked Lascannons?

Assuming they have a ship up high capable of teleporting the Terminators (even without it using its guns), they have a fair chance of being able to destroy the North Korean and Iranian communication and control networks as well as their leadership. Organising a resistance would be very difficult, but guerillia warfare could still easily occur and the Terminators would not have much of a chance at hunting them down.

In a straight up fight, the North Koreans and Iranians would probably win due to terrain as much as anything. i doubt the Terminators would be able to continue moving through the bombardment as it turns the ground to mush.

Not to mention the battle barge in orbit. Which would annihilate their defenses.

How does this question even require any thought? lol.

Terminators VS peons is what it is. even if the terminators lined up and just started walking to them, the terminators win hands down.sure some terminators would die but come on. it only takes a few to reach the enemy to wipe them out.

Even if something gets through the armor doesn't mean it kills the marine inside it. you could blow off his whole arm and he would still fight.

blow off a N Korean guys arm and he will prob die of starvation before he dies from his wounds.

So wait...Belial, every vehicle and Terminator from the Deathwing, against Iran and North Korea?

Aside from nuclear weapons, modern day military doesn't stand a chance. Let alone third-world shitboxes like those countries.

The "military" of both armies would be wiped out within hours. that is what terminators do. They simply teleport in, kill all key officials and then leave. The "war" would be over before it even started. The only ones left to fight would be guerrilla fighters and who on earth would want to continue fighting an army that within minutes just killed every commanding officer above you? Your morale would be broken and apart from isolated pockets of resistance that would be left to the imperial guard to finish up the DW would move on.

There is nothing a modern day nation could do to combat an entire first company of any chapter.

It really depends on what army they decide to use. If they play using Grey Knights...well, Dark Angels don't stand a chance.

broodstar wrote:The Archer artillery system is so accurate that an Archer can snipe. It can fire one normal shot and hit a Volkswagen at 31 miles, I'm sure it can it a terminator.

You forgot to mention that the Volkswagen was completely stationary, oh and that neither the North Korean or Iranian military uses the Archer SPG system.

Think of it this way, folks. You're talking 100 terminators, against 1.1 MILLION guardsmen (that is the standing military of North Korea). I'm pretty sure that we win due to attrition. I'm sorry, but even Terminators can't beat 10,000 to 1 odds.

DeathReaper wrote:

Surtur wrote:DeathReaper, how many points do you think Iran and N. Korea can field? I'm pretty sure you'll have room for more than 20 termies.

Well he asked about the Dark Angels 1st Company, which consists of Belial,Master of the Deathwing, Chaplains, Apothecaries, Standard Bearers, 20 Terminator squads, Dreadnoughts, and Land Raiders.

according to the lexicanum: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dark_Angels#.T0LxAcWXR2A

They would not need anything more than 20 terminator squads, the 20 land raiders to carry them into battle, and the host of dreadnoughts they have.

broodstar wrote:The Archer artillery system is so accurate that an Archer can snipe. It can fire one normal shot and hit a Volkswagen at 31 miles, I'm sure it can it a terminator.

and how do you think they will fare against a host of Land Raiders with their Twin Linked Lascannons?

Well first thing we've got to realize is in real life twin-linked just means that you fire both weapons with the push of one trigger. Second thing is how well protected is AV 14, and can an armor penetration round like a sabo go though it? Third what is the real world range of a Lascannon?

Shrike325 wrote:Think of it this way, folks. You're talking 100 terminators, against 1.1 MILLION guardsmen (that is the standing military of North Korea). I'm pretty sure that we win due to attrition. I'm sorry, but even Terminators can't beat 10,000 to 1 odds.

That is 100 terminators +Belial + Land Raiders, and Dreadnoughts.

The humans do not stand a chance. machine guns are just barely going to scratch the paint on the TDA.

And the TDA can Teleport, say goodnight gracie.

broodstar wrote:Well first thing we've got to realize is in real life twin-linked just means that you fire both weapons with the push of one trigger.

Yea that means TL Lascannons will destroy the FETH out of anything they hit.

broodstar wrote:Second thing is how well protected is AV 14, and can an armor penetration round like a sabo go though it?

sabo can probably get through AV14, but it would take a precise direct hit (And even then the terminators get out and rapid fire their storm bolters.

broodstar wrote:Third what is the real world range of a Lascannon?

Lascannons are potent until they hit something.

Mr.Norman wrote:

broodstar wrote:The Archer artillery system is so accurate that an Archer can snipe. It can fire one normal shot and hit a Volkswagen at 31 miles, I'm sure it can it a terminator.

You forgot to mention that the Volkswagen was completely stationary, oh and that neither the North Korean or Iranian military uses the Archer SPG system.

Those are facts!

DeathReaper wrote:

Shrike325 wrote:Think of it this way, folks. You're talking 100 terminators, against 1.1 MILLION guardsmen (that is the standing military of North Korea). I'm pretty sure that we win due to attrition. I'm sorry, but even Terminators can't beat 10,000 to 1 odds.

That is 100 terminators +Belial + Land Raiders, and Dreadnoughts.

The humans do not stand a chance. machine guns are just barely going to scratch the paint on the TDA.

From my understanding, lasguns are roughly equivalent to modern assault rifles. So, on average it takes something like 40 guys to kill a terminator. Hell, I'll be generous and call it 5,000 soldiers to kill a terminator. That only leaves 500,000 guys to deal with LR and Dreads. I'm pretty sure they can handle it. Now, throw in that this is also against the Iranian army, which is ~500,000 people strong. You've got 1 million guys to take care of LR and Dreads. They can handle it even more.

Also, this is discounting air assets (Iran has ~1,000 air assets, NK has ~1,500), anti-tank weapons (~1,500 for Iran, ~7,000 for NK), and tanks (~1,800 for Iran, ~5,500 for NK). So, for the sake of argument, lets assume it takes, oh, I don't know, 250 modern tanks to take out a Land Raider. Well, they've got that covered for 20 LR. How about Dreads? Well, how many can there be? 100 (I think 10 per active company is ridiculously high, but I'll give it to the DA)? So, only 80 modern anti-tank weapons per Dread.

Shear weight of fire wins the day.

DeathReaper wrote:

Shrike325 wrote:Think of it this way, folks. You're talking 100 terminators, against 1.1 MILLION guardsmen (that is the standing military of North Korea). I'm pretty sure that we win due to attrition. I'm sorry, but even Terminators can't beat 10,000 to 1 odds.

That is 100 terminators +Belial + Land Raiders, and Dreadnoughts.

The humans do not stand a chance. machine guns are just barely going to scratch the paint on the TDA.

And the TDA can Teleport, say goodnight gracie.

broodstar wrote:Well first thing we've got to realize is in real life twin-linked just means that you fire both weapons with the push of one trigger.

Yea that means TL Lascannons will destroy the FETH out of anything they hit.

broodstar wrote:Second thing is how well protected is AV 14, and can an armor penetration round like a sabo go though it?

sabo can probably get through AV14, but it would take a precise direct hit (And even then the terminators get out and rapid fire their storm bolters.

broodstar wrote:Third what is the real world range of a Lascannon?

Lascannons are potent until they hit something.

Here's my problem with comparing the Landraider to anything in the real would is it design. The Landraider looks like a WW1 tank, so I believe that yes it's big and scary, with a lot of armor it will be a tough nut to crack. but I believe it will be slow, when it goes over a mount it's going to buck like a bronco. And the sponsons we need to talk gyro-stabilization before we start talking accuracy. Now you take the Predator without it's sponsons, just the autocannon, and now we're comparing apples to apple. The Predator we can compare with any real world tank.

Think about morale though. shooting a whole mag into a giant machine (they wouldn't know a human was in there) and it doesn't stop marching forward. they would turn and run pretty fast. oh and 1/2 of them would starve to death before the terminators even got to them haahha

Shrike325 wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:

Shrike325 wrote:Think of it this way, folks. You're talking 100 terminators, against 1.1 MILLION guardsmen (that is the standing military of North Korea). I'm pretty sure that we win due to attrition. I'm sorry, but even Terminators can't beat 10,000 to 1 odds.

That is 100 terminators +Belial + Land Raiders, and Dreadnoughts.

The humans do not stand a chance. machine guns are just barely going to scratch the paint on the TDA.

From my understanding, lasguns are roughly equivalent to modern assault rifles. So, on average it takes something like 40 guys to kill a terminator. Hell, I'll be generous and call it 5,000 soldiers to kill a terminator. That only leaves 500,000 guys to deal with LR and Dreads. I'm pretty sure they can handle it. Now, throw in that this is also against the Iranian army, which is ~500,000 people strong. You've got 1 million guys to take care of LR and Dreads. They can handle it even more.

Also, this is discounting air assets (Iran has ~1,000 air assets, NK has ~1,500), anti-tank weapons (~1,500 for Iran, ~7,000 for NK), and tanks (~1,800 for Iran, ~5,500 for NK). So, for the sake of argument, lets assume it takes, oh, I don't know, 250 modern tanks to take out a Land Raider. Well, they've got that covered for 20 LR. How about Dreads? Well, how many can there be? 100 (I think 10 per active company is ridiculously high, but I'll give it to the DA)? So, only 80 modern anti-tank weapons per Dread.

Shear weight of fire wins the day.

How tightly compact are their lines? You list off these rather massive numbers, but they require space to put them.