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Why:
Spoiler:
Hey folks, if you frequent this part of Dakka you might have heard me mention my plans to build a very elaborate Caledonian army with loads of conversions and home brew fluff. Well i've decided that making a list to represent that army is impossible bellow 400pts and i haven't even started playing yet! Time for a rethink...
(Side note: Did anyone here the Infinity expanding to include large scale games rumour? Would that mean plastic kits? Obviously it would take years and thousands of pounds but its an exciting prospect.)
So i watched some amazing videos about Infinity fluff and my interest was completely re-sparked, then i hit the books and i've come up with a new plan. I think it would be a good idea to build a unit that i can feasibly play games with and Nomads are the ones for me... probably. Feel free to try and sell me another faction but i'm quite set.

A few initial ideas:
Small, 6ish individuals to make up the unit.
Low, preferably not too many points, 200?
TAG, i really want a nice big TAG, the humanoid type.
Sniper(s), gotta have at least one.
Hacking, sounds like fun.
Camo, as much as possible, preferably the best kind.
Infiltrate, good tactic?

So yeah, i want to build a nice little unit based around a TAG. The problem is i don't know much about making Infinity lists, my only experience is with Caledonians who don't get most of the exciting stuff that Nomads get to play with. So any help you can give me would be great, even just to start me off. I'll be doing lots of reading in the meantime to try and figure this faction out.

Thanks for any help!


   
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First off, welcome to the infinity bug, it just gets 100x worse once you play a few games lol. Right out the gate I would reaaaaally recommend playing a match with proxied model, so you get a feel for things. After that you'll know what you like.

Based on all the you listed you will have an issue fitting it all in a single list . Not uncommon at all and one o the great things about infinity. With a TAG, sniper, and hacker you have used up almost all your points at 200pts.

On the large scale Infinity, Corvus Belli has 100% denied the rumor and affirm that Infinity is a skirmish game an will stay that way. They also are 100% solid on sticking to metal. They love their game and aren't about selling out which makes me love them dearly.

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Thanks for the reply Blue!
I've had a game already on vassal which was fun but i was playing Caledonians, i definitely would want to play test this list before i buy the models. Infinity isn't as cheap a hobby as some people would have us believe . I think my Necromunda squad(Link in my sig) was in the range of £70-80.

Haha, yeh, my experience with Caledonians proved that it's hard to trim a list if you are working around fluff. Hence i've left this list with a lot of wiggle room, i'll work on the fluff afterwards. Now i think of it, i failed to mention that my list of ideas in the OP is in order of importance so:
I really want a TAG and i would very much like a Sniper and a Hacker would be really nice while camo sounds cool and maybe infiltrate is a good idea.
I hope that makes it a little clearer and the list easier to build.

I actually think it's a shame that CB aren't going to expand to larger gaming. I mean, their metal models are beautiful and their system is amazing and unique but i'd love to see their take on large scale gaming. If they can do this with skirmish imagine what they could do with armies, i'm sure it would be refreshing and groundbreaking. But maybe thats the problem, maybe they don't have enough ideas yet. I hope one day they change their minds and come up with an exciting new system. I understand what you are saying about not selling out though.

So, back to the list! I'm not bothered about steep learning curves because i'm a fool, so don't worry about it being to difficult to play, i'll work hard to learn whatever it is.

Are my ideas better suited to a sectorial or the full faction(I haven't had time to read the Nomad section in Human Sphere yet)? Or maybe another faction entirely?

Which TAG is best for what i'm trying to do? The Lizard looks tough and has a nice big HMG but the Szalamandra has the HMC which looks slightly better in some areas and slightly weaker in others. The Szalamandra has a lower BTS but i don't know if that's good or bad to be honest, or how much of an effect it has. The Iguana is fewer points than the other two and it has a repeater so it would work well with a hacker i guess.
I prefer the aesthetics of the PanO TAGs, can i proxy? As far as i know the Nomads alter old PanO TAGs anyway and i noticed their isn't a model for the Iguana.

Snipers don't look like a Nomad strong point. The Spektr looks like the best but he ain't cheap in points and infiltration sounds like a waste for a sniper. The Intruder might have the edge actually, it's a tough call because of point value.

I've tried throwing a few lists at the wall but nothing is sticking, any and all help would be great at this stage! Thanks guys!

   
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Baltimore

When I was crunching numbers for a Nomad list I ran into the problem with the Szalamandra as well. I love the model, (that fluff pic of the mech with pilot in the first book SOLD me), but in anything less than 300 points I just can’t justify spending it on a TAG.

I’m still gonna get one.

I think it’s amusing as well, how when you read the fluff and they talk about these massive conflicts, but the scale of the game is much much smaller. Particularly reading all about the fluff for Paradiso, and how the Combined Army ****wrecked everyone when they first showed up. That’s a lot of large scale, intense combat. It’s way too easy to focus on building a unit the same way I’d work on a Chapter/Legion/Hivefleet/Cadre/whatever in 40K/Warmachine/whatever. And that’s what murders me. But I finally figured it out.

I stepped back and looked at the games I’ve played, and how it feels. I tried to get in the spirit of the ‘Special Forces’ sort of mentality. And that really helped me get a feel for a unit.

So think of making a Nomad task force. Your own little Nomad Seal Team Six or whatever. They’re gonna pull together a unit of the best from all over the Nomad ships, picking and choosing from different units until they have something that they’ll use for those special ops missions. Everyone’s got a trick, everyone has personality… there is no Red-Shirt that you buy because you have six points left over… everyone needs to mean something. Because they do! Even your most ‘basic’ trooper is a pretty badass fellow, and is capable of taking down a model twice his points cost with a well placed shot.

But if you’re going to go for a TAG, I stay stick to the Szalamandra. It’s only 17 points more than the Iguana, and a lot better. More Armor, More Wounds… that alone makes it worth it to me… plus you basically get a fully auto railgun…

More importantly is that BTS number. That’s the modifier your opponent has when trying to hack your TAG. So with the Iguana your opponent suffers a –6… with the Szalamandra it’s a –9! That’s a pretty big difference, and that can mean the difference between having an ultra-lethal war-machine and a really really big doorstop.

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@ Chemical - Correct, szally at anything under 250-300 and you really have all your eggs in one basket. However both the other TAGs have plenty of merit in comparison. Lizard has the HGL, most OP weapon in the game. Iguana has a HI HMG wielding pilot, so even if you manage to kill the thing you still haven't lots an order and now have the pilot.

@LSCL - The Spektr and Intruder have two different roles:

Spektr - Infiltrate into a key position and use Hidden Deployment. Once your opponent starts moving up field and you see a vulnerability pop out and start taking people down to attrition his orders.

Intruder - Brick, meet face. Smoke? Don't care, die. Mimitism? Don't care, die. ODD? Don't care, die. Ridiculously insane long range shot? Don't care, die.

The key thing to remember that is anything under 8 regular orders and you are goign to be hurting. Small = Bad. Going off of what you would like from bullet point 2 down you will prob need to bump to 250pts minimum to try and fit stuff in you would like...

NOMADS
──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────

GROUP 1 (Regs: 8/Irrs: 0):

SZALAMANDRA Hyper-rapid Magnetic Cannon, Heavy Flamethrower / (90 | 2)
MOV:6-4 CC:17 BS:14 PH:17 WIP:13 ARM:8 BTS:-9 STR:3
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
ECM


SZALAMANDRA PILOT Pistol, Knife
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:0 STR:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
Pilot


INTRUDER MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW (52 | 1.5)
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:13 PH:12 WIP:14 ARM:3 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
CH: Camouflage, Multispectral Visor L2, Multiterrain, X Visor


CLOCKMAKER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife (18)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:15 ARM:1 BTS:-3 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
Engineer


2x ZONDBOT Electric Pulse (3)
MOV:6-4 CC:8 BS:8 PH:8 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:-3 STR:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, G: Servant
CH: Mimetism


INTERVENTOR Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife (26 | 0.5)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:15 ARM:1 BTS:-3 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
Hacking Device Plus, Lieutenant


ZERO Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife (19 | 0.5)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:12 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
CH: Camouflage, Infiltration, Minelayer


MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse (9)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:10 PH:10 WIP:12 ARM:0 BTS:-3 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
Shock Immunity


MODERATOR Combi Rifle + Marker / Pistol, Electric Pulse (11 | 0.5)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:10 PH:10 WIP:12 ARM:0 BTS:-3 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
Shock Immunity


ZERO Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife (18)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:12 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
CH: Camouflage, Infiltration



249 Points | SWC: 5

ARMY CODE: Army Infinity v.3.0.




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BlueDagger's Nomad pics - "Morality, my friend, is merely a price tag." - BlueDagger, Contraband Dealer. Holo-recording played during the murder trial of an undercover PanOceania officer. Court Record 9002xaB, . Infinity Nomads - Come see what it's all about!
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@Chem - I assume you mean the big image not the comic strip. Yeah that picture is boss!
You've summed that all up excellently and it's really focused me on what i need to do to put a list together.

@Blue - Got yah, Intruder is my preference in that case, it's how i'd want to use a sniper. That list is pretty cool but i'm determined to keep the points to 200 or less. It's given me some interesting ideas though.

I'll make some alterations to the brief now i've learnt some stuff from you guys:
Has to have a TAG.
Has to have an Intruder with Sniper.
Has to be 200pts or less.

With that in mind(I can see i'm low on orders, solutions?):
Spoiler:
NOMADS
──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
GROUP 1 (Regs: 5/Irrs: 0):
INTERVENTOR Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife (26 | 0.5)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:15 ARM:1 BTS:-3 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
Hacking Device Plus, Lieutenant

SECURITATE Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife (23)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:12 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
Repeater, Sixth Sense L2

SALYUT Electric Pulse (8)
MOV:4-4 CC:8 BS:11 PH:8 WIP:13 ARM:2 BTS:-3 STR:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, G: Remote Presence
Baggage, Repeater, Minesweeper

SZALAMANDRA Hyper-rapid Magnetic Cannon, Heavy Flamethrower / (90 | 2)
MOV:6-4 CC:17 BS:14 PH:17 WIP:13 ARM:8 BTS:-9 STR:3
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
ECM

SZALAMANDRA PILOT Pistol, Knife
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:0 STR:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
Pilot

INTRUDER MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW (52 | 1.5)
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:13 PH:12 WIP:14 ARM:3 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
CH: Camouflage, Multispectral Visor L2, Multiterrain, X Visor

[b] 199 Points | SWC: 4

It's quite a hacky list but that was just the way it turned out it's not something i'm determined to have.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Changed my mind about the Szalamandra model, i just wasn't vibing the stock photo colour scheme.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/03/06 18:34:03


   
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At 5 orders you'll be toast. You simple won't have enough maneuverability to do what you need to do. With the Szally and Intruder taking up 142pts out of 200 you simply won't be able to get enough points to get you proper orders in. Being short of order will start you off in the match crippled regardless of having a TAG and a great sniper.

You could use a Szally as a Iguana proxy to shave off a few points, then go a Corregidor Sectorial. However you still end up in a bind because you are using 3.5 of your 4 SWC on the TAG and sniper. This mean you have to take a 0 SWC LT which the minimum points for Corregidor Lt is 36. This leads to the best I can think of as...

CORREGIDOR JURISD. COMMAND
──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────

GROUP 1 (Regs: 7/Irrs: 0):

IGUANA HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / (73 | 2)
MOV:6-4 CC:16 BS:14 PH:16 WIP:13 ARM:6 BTS:-6 STR:2
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
ECM, Repeater, Ejection System


IGUANA OPERATOR HMG / Pistol, Knife
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:12 PH:12 WIP:13 ARM:3 BTS:0 STR:2
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube


INTRUDER MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW (52 | 1.5)
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:13 PH:12 WIP:14 ARM:3 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
CH: Camouflage, Multispectral Visor L2, Multiterrain, X Visor


3x ALGUACIL Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife (10)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:13 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube, Linkable


INTRUDER Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Grenades / Pistol, CCW (36)
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:13 PH:12 WIP:14 ARM:3 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
CH: Camouflage, Multispectral Visor L2, Multiterrain, Lieutenant


TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Electric Pulse (8)
MOV:6-6 CC:8 BS:8 PH:8 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:-3 STR:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, G: Remote Presence
CH: Mimetism, Multiterrain, Repeater



199 Points | SWC: 3.5

ARMY CODE: Army Infinity v.3.0.

However you are still at 7 orders, have one non-combat model,and have no engineer for your TAG.


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BlueDagger's Nomad pics - "Morality, my friend, is merely a price tag." - BlueDagger, Contraband Dealer. Holo-recording played during the murder trial of an undercover PanOceania officer. Court Record 9002xaB, . Infinity Nomads - Come see what it's all about!
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Baltimore

Its kinda the same problem I found with trying to squeeze a Mag into my Haqqislam list. Not 300 points? Not gonna use the TAG.

I didn't realize that the pilot ejects from the Iguana, that's pretty cool and damn useful. I still would rather have the bigger TAG, but now I'm just looking forward to seeing a model for the Iguana.

Chem's Infinity Blog - Dat Fiday - 7/31/14
Chem's 40K and Assorted Hijinx
CC Paints Endless Fantasy Tactics - Second Wave Assemble!

"-and all that time in Paris, when you were wallowing in debauchery with your doxies, tarts and pirates... you were trying to convince me you were a disgusting, swinish, lecherous, drunken sot... Well I want you to know it worked.

Well done." 
   
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Chico, CA

If you willing to try the Lizards, you could go Bukunin Sectorial.

With something like this,
Lizard HMG GL 96pt 2SWC
SinEater Multi-Sniper 39pt 1.5SWC
Moderator Lt 9pt .5SWC
x4 Moderator 36pt
Clockmaker 18pt

8 Orders, 4 SWC, 198pts.

You change offense sniper for a defense sniper, so he should be covering you TAG in your reactive turn.
You will want to link the Moderators after the first couple games, making then B4 with combi-rifle, and B2 on your reactive turn, Sixth Sense, +3 Discover, and +3 BS. But you need to keep them close to each other and a few other thing so learn the basic before using them like this.
The Clockmaker is to fix the Tag, becouse its your only real assault unit. Keep him about 12 in away and in full cover, so his close enough to get to the TAG fast but not get hit with the TAG.

Saying al that I wouldn't use a TAG below 250pts. Good luck, just know a TAG at 200pts to start will either crush the other guy if he is new or get you crushed if the other guy knows what he is doing.

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If you are willing to go the Bukunin route that is actually a brutally effective list, kudos Noir. Completely forgot that Bakuinin mod Lts get discounted to .5 unlike Alguaciles 1 swc.

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Chico, CA

BlueDagger wrote:If you are willing to go the Bukunin route that is actually a brutally effective list, kudos Noir. Completely forgot that Bakuinin mod Lts get discounted to .5 unlike Alguaciles 1 swc.


Thanks, I'm doing a list close to it for 250pt.
It just exchanges a Spitfire Mod for 1 of the Combi, and adds a Zero Hacker, Morlock (the 10pt one), and a Zondbot.

Peter: As we all know, Christmas is that mystical time of year when the ghost of Jesus rises from the grave to feast on the flesh of the living! So we all sing Christmas Carols to lull him back to sleep.
Bob: Outrageous, How dare he say such blasphemy. I've got to do something.
Man #1: Bob, there's nothing you can do.
Bob: Well, I guess I'll just have to develop a sense of humor.  
   
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Chemical Cutthroat wrote:

I stepped back and looked at the games I’ve played, and how it feels. I tried to get in the spirit of the ‘Special Forces’ sort of mentality. And that really helped me get a feel for a unit.

So think of making a Nomad task force. Your own little Nomad Seal Team Six or whatever. They’re gonna pull together a unit of the best from all over the Nomad ships, picking and choosing from different units until they have something that they’ll use for those special ops missions. Everyone’s got a trick, everyone has personality… there is no Red-Shirt that you buy because you have six points left over… everyone needs to mean something. Because they do! Even your most ‘basic’ trooper is a pretty badass fellow, and is capable of taking down a model twice his points cost with a well placed shot.


Yes I agree completely. It's a really nice idea.

I'm not sure about going to a larger scale game - I think at the moment the game does what it sets out to do very well, and is very well balanced for it. If you start introducing new variables, that balance might be destroyed.

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Baltimore

Is there a recommended cap to the size of games? Because otherwise you could just go bonkers and make a points list that caps out at something higher than 300 and see where it takes you for a larger scale game.

Chem's Infinity Blog - Dat Fiday - 7/31/14
Chem's 40K and Assorted Hijinx
CC Paints Endless Fantasy Tactics - Second Wave Assemble!

"-and all that time in Paris, when you were wallowing in debauchery with your doxies, tarts and pirates... you were trying to convince me you were a disgusting, swinish, lecherous, drunken sot... Well I want you to know it worked.

Well done." 
   
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The largest I have played personally was a 800 point free for all match at 8 players 100pt per. The Higher in points you go the model terrain the game requires to keep AROs in check and of course the time the game takes goes up exponentially.

75-100 is the sweet spot for demo games
150 is the sweet spot for new players
250-300 is the sweet spot for full scale games (I much prefer 300)
400 should really be the biggest you should go with a 1v1 game.

i have played several 300+300 v 300+300 games and they play fantastically as well. I'm also testing a new multiplayer system on the 24th which I'll spread the word if all goes well.

Craftworld Uaire-Nem pics "Like shimmering daggers of light our fury shall rain down and cleanse this battlefield." Autarch of Uaire-Nem
BlueDagger's Nomad pics - "Morality, my friend, is merely a price tag." - BlueDagger, Contraband Dealer. Holo-recording played during the murder trial of an undercover PanOceania officer. Court Record 9002xaB, . Infinity Nomads - Come see what it's all about!
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Chico, CA

Chemical Cutthroat wrote:Is there a recommended cap to the size of games? Because otherwise you could just go bonkers and make a points list that caps out at something higher than 300 and see where it takes you for a larger scale game.


It takes you to higher point models.

I have played a few 500 600 games, you mostly ended up with a 10 model list or 2 8-10 model list. Bigger points means bigger toys.

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Baltimore

See? That's what I figured would be the end result. If you're playing 500 points, it's just too tempting to drop a couple TAGs or some of those higher points monsters... so it'd probably still struggle to break 15 or 20 models.

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Chem's 40K and Assorted Hijinx
CC Paints Endless Fantasy Tactics - Second Wave Assemble!

"-and all that time in Paris, when you were wallowing in debauchery with your doxies, tarts and pirates... you were trying to convince me you were a disgusting, swinish, lecherous, drunken sot... Well I want you to know it worked.

Well done." 
   
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Hey everyone, nice to see the subject has sparked some serious discussion. There is loads of great advice here and although i've been away since my last post i have done a lot of thinking and i've read the Nomad section in Human Sphere.

Okay, first thing's first. 200pts ain't going to cut it. Solution: I build a list that can function with or without the TAG.
The options that leaves me with are:
150pt list with 2 Iguanas
or more sensibly(?) 200pts list with a Szalamandra

@Blue - I'm not fussed about using the Szalamandra model tbh, that list was cool but i see the issues you pointed out. Luckily i've stopped being as difficult!

@Chem - All the pilots eject now from what i can see, mate. it's just that the Iguana pilot gets to rip off the HMG and keep using it. Oh and he keeps half the armour value and has 2 wounds. He is basically a free Heavy Infantry with HMG. The other pilots are just order monkeys, not that, that's to be sniffed at.

@Noir - Dude, that list is pure awesome considering what i gave you to work with, you are right about the TAG at low point levels though.

@Pacific - I think the rumour was for a secondary game system for large games which i think would be really nice to see. I agree that trying to stretch this one would most likely be disastrous.

@Everyone - Yeh as far as i've heard, the higher the points level the bigger the beasties.

Okay so after absorbing all the info i'll try my hand at a list:
Spoiler:
NOMADS
──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
GROUP 1 (Regs: 7/Irrs: 0):
REVEREND CUSTODIER Hacker Combi Rifle + Marker / Pistol, Knife (38 | 0.5)
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:12 PH:11 WIP:14 ARM:3 BTS:-3 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
ODD: Optical Disruptor, Religious Troop, Hacking Device Plus, Lieutenant

SALYUT Electric Pulse (13 | 0.5)
MOV:4-4 CC:8 BS:11 PH:8 WIP:13 ARM:2 BTS:-3 STR:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, G: Remote Presence
Baggage, Repeater, EVO Repeater

2x SECURITATE Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife (23)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:12 PH:10 WIP:14 ARM:1 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
Repeater, Sixth Sense L2

VERTIGO ZOND Guided Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse (34 | 1)
MOV:6-4 CC:8 BS:11 PH:8 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:-3 STR:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, G: Remote Presence

INTRUDER MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW (52 | 1.5)
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:13 PH:12 WIP:14 ARM:3 BTS:0 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, No Cube
CH: Camouflage, Multispectral Visor L2, Multiterrain, X Visor

MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse (9)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:10 PH:10 WIP:12 ARM:0 BTS:-3 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
Shock Immunity

192 Points | SWC: 3.5
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GROUP 1 (Regs: 9/Irrs: 0):
SZALAMANDRA Hyper-rapid Magnetic Cannon, Heavy Flamethrower / (90 | 2)
MOV:6-4 CC:17 BS:14 PH:17 WIP:13 ARM:8 BTS:-9 STR:3
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
ECM

SZALAMANDRA PILOT Pistol, Knife
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:13 ARM:0 BTS:0 STR:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
Pilot

CLOCKMAKER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife (18)
MOV:4-4 CC:13 BS:11 PH:10 WIP:15 ARM:1 BTS:-3 W:1
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
Engineer

300 Points | SWC: 5.5

Please rip it apart, i rushed it a bit near the need because i need to get some sleep.
I think my Lieutenant was a cool choice and i tried to fit in an Interventor but it wasn't working.
The Securitate feel like really awesome soldiers but they might be a bit nippy when it comes to points. I'm not sure i can afford to throw 23 points at a basic trooper, even if he can repeat hack and has a good pair of eyes in his head.
The Moderator was attached as an order monkey because i got tired but i'm not liking that because i think Chem hit the nail on the head about every man having a proper role.
When things started going down the hacking root the Zonds seemed to be the best choices for maximum pain to the enemy. Although, now i can't fit in an Interventor, it seems like they aren't going to get used as much as i planned and maybe they have turned into a point sinc?
I'm happy to go heavy on the hacking i just don't know if it's possible with the more important TAG and sniper.
So yeah, what have i missed, frakked up, forgotten, and ruined?

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LostSoulCasey'sLaw wrote:@Chem - All the pilots eject now from what i can see, mate. it's just that the Iguana pilot gets to rip off the HMG and keep using it. Oh and he keeps half the armour value and has 2 wounds. He is basically a free Heavy Infantry with HMG. The other pilots are just order monkeys, not that, that's to be sniffed at.


NO! Pilots and the Iguana Operator are not the same thing at all.

Pilots can dismount from an unconscious TAG but they never provide Orders, they're basically just a free walking Pistol ARO.

The Iguana Operator is a full-blown HI model who gets forcibly ejected from the destroyed TAG in a semi-random direction He provides an Order as long as he's conscious, just like any other HI and the ejection can't be done voluntarily.
   
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Oh my bad, thanks for correcting me IJW. I hadn't read up on that stuff properly yet.
Got any thoughts on the list, dude?

   
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IJW is correct, the Iguana is the only TAG with an "Operator" not a "pilot". "Operators" have the TAGs with "Ejection System". I very much still stand by the fact that pilots should still contribute their order because otherwise, they aren't really even worth placing a model lol.

On the list, the biggest thing I'm seeing is the Securitate. Yes, the fact that they have SS2 and a repeater is kinda cool... but in general they are really the only model I will say is not with the points you pay. In using them as a repeater you have vastly superior options:
- Transductor Zond: 8 points, more survivable, and moves 6-6!
- Meteor Zond: only 6 more points, 1 SWC, but a PILE more uses
- Moran- .5 SWC but 3 points cheaper, infiltration, more survivable, and 2 Crazykoalas (talk about a board control)

200pt list...

NOMADS
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GROUP 1 (Regs: 8/Irrs: 0):

REVEREND CUSTODIER Hacker Combi Rifle + Marker / Pistol, Knife (38 | 0.5)
SALYUT Electric Pulse (13 | 0.5)
VERTIGO ZOND Guided Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse (34 | 1)
INTRUDER MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW (52 | 1.5)
2x MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse (9)
MORAN Combi Rifle, CrazyKoalas (2) / Pistol, Knife (21 | 0.5)
ZERO (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife (21)

197 Points | SWC: 4

ARMY CODE: Army Infinity v.3.0.


Remote the a Moderator and downgrade the zero to a regular zero than add the TAG, Engineer, and 2 Zondbots for your 300pt list

NOMADS
──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────

GROUP 1 (Regs: 9/Irrs: 0):

REVEREND CUSTODIER Hacker Combi Rifle + Marker / Pistol, Knife (38 | 0.5)
SALYUT Electric Pulse (13 | 0.5)
VERTIGO ZOND Guided Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse (34 | 1)
INTRUDER MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW (52 | 1.5)
MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse (9)
MORAN Combi Rifle, CrazyKoalas (2) / Pistol, Knife (21 | 0.5)
ZERO Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife (18)
SZALAMANDRA Hyper-rapid Magnetic Cannon, Heavy Flamethrower / (90 | 2)
SZALAMANDRA PILOT Pistol, Knife
CLOCKMAKER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife (18)
2x ZONDBOT Electric Pulse (3)

299 Points | SWC: 6

ARMY CODE: Army Infinity v.3.0.

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Thanks for cluing me up on the Securitate! I got them a little stuck in my head. Those lists are sweet, i'm going to have a fiddle with them and see what i can learn, maybe put my own spin on them. Until then could you explain the Crazy Koalas please, i'm rather confused by them and how to use them?

   
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Crazykoala quick tips...
Active turn:
- they have a 6-4 mov with super jump
- they must stay within 8" or the will go into standby mode (see below)
- in order to leave them in range of a camo marker you must perform a WIP check
- they start deployed within 8" of the controlling model but you can't deploy with an enemy within heir effect
- in your active turn the will not trigger

Reactive turn:
- if a model uses a skill/order within their 8" zone of control the CK wil instantly cove the whole distance and kaboom on them (DMG 15 shock, but no template)
- if it is not possible for the koala to get there due to a shut room etc then it doesn't trigger
- the attack from the koala can be dodged with a normal ph roll, so if a model in the CK zoc declares dodge they just pasGs a PH roll and the koalas go poof
- they can be shot and destroyed, but CAN NOT be shot or CCed while in route to their target once triggered, only dodged.

They work great as deterents or as guards against AD or impersonators.

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Oh, dude, you are a information dispensing machine, thanks! I'll get back to you when i've had a play with the list!

   
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I'm back. It's been a strange and winding road to where i am now, i even went via Aleph, Yu Jing, Pan O and Haqqislam. But i wont get into that.

I've ended up with a crazy, hacky Bakunin Sectorial list. What do you guys think?
Spoiler:
BAKUNIN JURISD. COMMAND
GROUP 1 (Regs: 10/Irrs: 0):
Lieutenant REVEREND CUSTODIER Hacker Combi Rifle + Marker / Pistol, Knife (38 | 0.5)
REVEREND CUSTODIER Hacker Combi Rifle + Marker / Pistol, Knife (38 | 0.5)
ZERO Hacker Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife (30 | 0.5)
SALYUT Electric Pulse (13 | 0.5)
VERTIGO ZOND Guided Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse (34 | 1)
3x MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse (9)
LIZARD MULTI HMG, Heavy Grenade Launcher / (96 | 2)
LIZARD PILOT Pistol, Knife
CLOCKMAKER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife (18)
2x ZONDBOT Electric Pulse (3)
300 Points | SWC: 5

   
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Holy hell that is a lot of hackers lol. I would typically say yhat it is overkill on hacking, but I like tey synergy of that list. First off you have a TAG as your main beatstick should you face Ariadna or another unhackable. In the meantime you have two decent BS, survivable marker shooters with HD+ for FOing and an infiltrator to act as a repeater for the HD+ FOing as well.

The only thing I'd consider changing is the EVO repeater for upgrading a moderator to a Mod with spitfire. I think you'd get a bit more mileage out of the link team that way.

Edit: Pardon typos, on my cell

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Chemical Cutthroat wrote:

I didn't realize that the pilot ejects from the Iguana, that's pretty cool and damn useful. I still would rather have the bigger TAG, but now I'm just looking forward to seeing a model for the Iguana.


Not quite. The OPERATOR ejects from the Iguana (no 'pilot' skill). Other TAG pilots (for the TAGs that have them (Szally, Lizard, Marghariba Guard, O-Yoroi and Guija - PanO and Aleph Tags are remote operated) can eject when their TAG is at 0 structure - but they do not provide an order nor count for VP or anything else (TAG is scrap, TAG VPs are scored). The Iguana has an AUTOMATIC ejection system, and the TAG isn't worth full points UNTIL you kill its operator. It's a fine distinction, but there for a reason.

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Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.

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I'm actually considering a Nomad force as a secondary one to my Haqqlislam, for my friends to use if they want to try the game.

What I'm thinking is the Nomad starter force, Alguaciles with sniper rifle, Alguaciles with HMG, Daktaris doctor, Tomcat with combierifle + light flamethrower and DEP and Reverend Custodier with boarding shotgun. Hopefully should create about a 200pt with diverse weapons and abilities. Models will obviously vary as I turn it into an actual list.
   
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Thanks for the replies!

@Blue - Haha, yeh i got tunnel vision and went hacker crazy! I'm glad you enjoyed the way the elements of the list came together. I have a couple of quick follow up questions:
Is the Marker just used to hack someone without having to get close to them?
Can you still use the Guided Missile Launcher against Ariadna?

As for dropping the EVO, it makes a load of sense but i'm quite looking forward to playing with it so i'm going to keep it in the interest of whimsy.
What do you think of these changes though:
Drop - 3 Combi Rifle Moderators + 1 Reverend Custodier Hacker
Add - 3 Spitfire Moderators + 1 Paramedic Moderators
or
Drop - 1 Reverend Custodier Hacker + 1 Zondbot
Add - 1 Multi Sniper Rifle Sin Eater Observant
or
Drop - 1 Reverend Custodier Hacker
Add - 1 Spitfire Sin Eater Observant
Do any of them sound like worthwhile changes?

@Chrome - The Iguana is definitely one of the cooler things available in Infinity, i can't wait to see what the model looks like!

@Loki - The best things about Nomads for me is their fluff, if you haven't read it yet you really should! Diversity is a good idea if you are building the list for other people to use but if you are going to use them for introduction games then i'd think about maybe dropping to 100/150 points and simplifying the list. It depends on your friends though, you know them well enough to make that call.

   
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Marker - Shoots a deployable repeater to a point on the board. Your hacker can then use that repeater to hack your opponent or more importantly use a HD+ to Forward Observe your target for GML strikes.

GML - Yes, Ariadna can still be hit with GML strike and typcially can't defend against them. However Ariadna have the best tools to shove the GML trick up it's own backside. Fast moving Werewolves with Total Immunity and Antipodes will make short work of the trick.

Changes:
1) not a fan of multiples of models.
2) A nice change, Sin-Eaters are fantastically painful.
3) Another nice change

Personally when it comes to Sin Eaters I feel that the HMG and MK12 are the best. HMG is a no brainer and the MK12 is a fantastic SWC saver.

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1) I don't mind getting my hands dirty with conversion.
2, 3) The HMG's SWC is too high for me to fit in but i have enough to spare that i don't need to drop to the MK12. Would you still suggest dropping to the MK12 over the Multi Sniper Rifle or Spitfire?

Does that stuff change anything?

   
 
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