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Wow, So here he is in all of his glory. Okay so he is FREAKING DEAD. HONESTLY. LOOK AT HIM!!! I mean why and the better question how are they keep his body alive, and for what purpose? Look at it... its a corpse! I am aware that he is still alive in the spiritual realm, but why not just let the emperor die? (if he isn't already dead!!!) and then possibly let all of his power be reborn into another person that can be the new Emperor. Just like how the thousands of shamans committed suicide to create the emperor to begin with!

Or maybe...nothing happens and the demons invade Terra and the Imperium collapses, honestly if it was my choice I wouldn't risk it.

Who knows what he intended. Maybe he was suppose to be allowed to die after everything was stable. However the ioM is a bureaucratic nightmare. Those at the top gain power from the throne. And as Jgehunter said, no one freaking knows what will happen. The only folks that did are long, long dead.

It also sound be noted, the people in charge do not know what we do. They do not know about thew Shamans, the reincarnation or even the hint of it. All they know is his will was to be upon the throne overseeing mankind. He is a holy relic more then a "real" being at this point.

If he dies here, the Astromonican goes out spelling doom for the Imperium. Reason being, that he must remain alive here to power the Astromonican. Now there are the people that will argue this with the Star Child theory...but hey those are my thoughts

Personally, I would've resurrected him while it was still possible, but now letting him die does seem like the better option, especially since you could just get the thousands of psykers who get sacrificed to him every day sit on the Throne for like twenty seconds each and achieve the same end result.

Durza wrote:Personally, I would've resurrected him while it was still possible, but now letting him die does seem like the better option, especially since you could just get the thousands of psykers who get sacrificed to him every day sit on the Throne for like twenty seconds each and achieve the same end result.

Indeed, why not just power the throne with the thousands of psykers that get sacrificed daily anyway and then go ahead and let the emperor die and have his power be reincarnated into a new soul, therefore a new emperor. It was said that he remembered all of the past lives on the shamans, so eventually he'd remember his past life as the emperor, right?

His body is a connection between his soul/spirit/whatever, the astronomican and the over 500 trillion worshiping him and empowering him. I mean in the moment he dies to be reborn as the Star Child all the ships that are at that moment in the warp (millions) and all their crew are lost, planets will go dark for centuries with their entire populations. Hell the Imperium is so large even after he is reborn there will be worlds that won't know of it for generations. And if he looses his uhm... control i guess of keeping the souls of the fateful from the hands of deamons and whatnot all the people that die in that very moment can kiss their pleasant afterlife goodbye. Hes position is such that he is stuck in a manner of speaking.
Also him being in a state of a living death and being humanity's only hope of unity - grimdark. And that's how GW likes it.

Yeah it is grim dark. Completely. However It is also stagnant.

They high lords of terra do not want to share power. They like the Emperor exactly where he is.

Hmm... I think it'd be interesting if Alpharius and Omegon came back and and killed the high lords and the Emperor for the greater good of the imperium, though it would suffer for awhile in the long run it'd be better. What a twist that would be...

Brother Thomas wrote:Hmm... I think it'd be interesting if Alpharius and Omegon came back and and killed the high lords and the Emperor for the greater good of the imperium, though it would suffer for awhile in the long run it'd be better. What a twist that would be...

I think at one point a corrupt member of the Officio Assassinorium killed them all by spending an entire day poisoning their chairs, and it was called the beheading so its totaly possible.

Yori wrote:

Brother Thomas wrote:Hmm... I think it'd be interesting if Alpharius and Omegon came back and and killed the high lords and the Emperor for the greater good of the imperium, though it would suffer for awhile in the long run it'd be better. What a twist that would be...

I think at one point a corrupt member of the Officio Assassinorium killed them all by spending an entire day poisoning their chairs, and it was called the beheading so its totaly possible.

Really? That's interesting I've never heard that before. Though I thought Officio Assassinorium members were largely "immune" to corruptability. Perhaps not.

But to kill the Emperor would basically be impossible. See Adeptus Custodes.

But the Emperor is kept where he is for a variety of reasons. The High Lords don't want to loose the power they have over the Imperium. The Emperor's will manifests the Astronomican and the Emperor's Tarrot which are vital to the Imperium's running of daily operations. He turns the average Imperial Guardsmen from a simple human soldier to a zealous, over "patriotic" killing machine. He gives the Imperium a common direction and figurehead. (But I guess the Emperor's death could be kept hidden from the Imperium at large.) Along with many others.

But this has been talked about on Dakka (I don't know if I should even bring this up)- and many think that an advancement in 40k with the death of the Emperor being the central idea for the release of 6th edition could be on its way.

Ignatius wrote:But this has been talked about on Dakka (I don't know if I should even bring this up)- and many think that an advancement in 40k with the death of the Emperor being the central idea for the release of 6th edition could be on its way.

?! Has GW given indication of this?!


The standing policy (up until now i suppose?) is that WH40K is a setting where one can tell many stories - but that the overall "metaplot" if you want to call it that would not be advanced.

Elaborating on the past is safe and easy - and sells BL books.

Pushing the timeline forward can be very precarious - esp. if it has the possibility of endangering sales.

ContemplativeSphinx wrote:

Ignatius wrote:But this has been talked about on Dakka (I don't know if I should even bring this up)- and many think that an advancement in 40k with the death of the Emperor being the central idea for the release of 6th edition could be on its way.

?! Has GW given indication of this?!


The standing policy (up until now i suppose?) is that WH40K is a setting where one can tell many stories - but that the overall "metaplot" if you want to call it that would not be advanced.

Elaborating on the past is safe and easy - and sells BL books.

Pushing the timeline forward can be very precarious - esp. if it has the possibility of endangering sales.

It was a long and drawn out thread, with too many people getting too passionate. But yes it existed. I'm not saying that I believe either way, just throwing it out there. I did say that many think it "could" be on its way. I did not say that GW has said anything about it.

Ignatius wrote:
It was a long and drawn out thread, with too many people getting too passionate. But yes it existed. I'm not saying that I believe either way, just throwing it out there. I did say that many think it "could" be on its way. I did not say that GW has said anything about it.

Aww dang it. I thought we might even get to see some minor incremental changes.

ContemplativeSphinx wrote:

Ignatius wrote:
It was a long and drawn out thread, with too many people getting too passionate. But yes it existed. I'm not saying that I believe either way, just throwing it out there. I did say that many think it "could" be on its way. I did not say that GW has said anything about it.

Aww dang it. I thought we might even get to see some minor incremental changes.

I stopped looking at the thing after it stopped actually being a discussion, but if the feelings of the Dakka community mirror that of GW's, they are going to play it safe and add pretty much nothing new. *sigh*

Ignatius wrote:

Yori wrote:

Brother Thomas wrote:Hmm... I think it'd be interesting if Alpharius and Omegon came back and and killed the high lords and the Emperor for the greater good of the imperium, though it would suffer for awhile in the long run it'd be better. What a twist that would be...

I think at one point a corrupt member of the Officio Assassinorium killed them all by spending an entire day poisoning their chairs, and it was called the beheading so its totaly possible.

Really? That's interesting I've never heard that before. Though I thought Officio Assassinorium members were largely "immune" to corruptability. Perhaps not.

But to kill the Emperor would basically be impossible. See Adeptus Custodes.

But the Emperor is kept where he is for a variety of reasons. The High Lords don't want to loose the power they have over the Imperium. The Emperor's will manifests the Astronomican and the Emperor's Tarrot which are vital to the Imperium's running of daily operations. He turns the average Imperial Guardsmen from a simple human soldier to a zealous, over "patriotic" killing machine. He gives the Imperium a common direction and figurehead. (But I guess the Emperor's death could be kept hidden from the Imperium at large.) Along with many others.

But this has been talked about on Dakka (I don't know if I should even bring this up)- and many think that an advancement in 40k with the death of the Emperor being the central idea for the release of 6th edition could be on its way.

Well ...What if it was the Adeptus Custodes that killed him? ^^ Dun dun dun.... But seriously.

Brother Thomas wrote:Well ...What if it was the Adeptus Custodes that killed him? ^^ Dun dun dun.... But seriously.

Part of the issue with killing the Emperor is the $$$$.

No seriously - think less like an avid fan and more like a Marketing executive out to make $$$$$$.

A lot of intellectual capital was invested into steal- i mean creating these factions and the backstory that goes along with it.

For long term players, seeing some movement in the Fluff would be nice... but it generally doesn't make too much financial sense.

Balancing out the demands of "die-hards" vs. grabbing the crop of new players who are entering into the hobby the first time is soemthing that GW achieves - by generaly doing absolutely nothing.

**sigh** Hopefully something happens someday. I mean I am only 22. There is time, heh

Brother Thomas wrote:**sigh** Hopefully something happens someday. I mean I am only 22. There is time, heh

We live in hope.

However, if past peformance are indications of what the future might hold..


In 2003 there was a giant World Wide campaign centered on Abaddon's 13th Black Crusade (Codex: Eye of Terror).

It was billed as one of those "YOU can change history with your actions!" moments.

When the final tally came out - Chaos won......and by the opinions of some folks who took part in the campaign, was subsequently robbed.

It is said that GW actively downplayed Chaos' victory so much so that nothing truly discernable came out of the whole event. So Cadia was invaded..pff... and? And?!


GW could't let the boat rock too much. And they learned their lesson with the next WH40K world wide campaign - Fall of Medusa V.....which didn't really effect the overall setting.

Hm. GW really should reward there long time fans with something

When somebody mentions Black Crusade I can't help thinking about:

The Star Child
Following the final conflict between the Emperor and Horus, the Emperor lay close to death. His soul stood on the threshold of transition, the psychic energy that had served him well in the past ebbing slowly into the warp. Finally his soul was released, his body shrivelling and mummifying almost immediately. His loyal servants placed his body in the Golden Throne, a life support machine designed with the ancient knowledge of the Emperor and built under the guidance of Rogal Dorn. As they did this, the soul of the Emperor was carried through the warp upon the undercurrent and eddies like the Shaman of old that had created the New Man (aka. the Emperor).

While the Emperor's body was dead, a few cells remained alive allow him to speak to his followers, a feature that allowed the construction of the Golden Throne in the first place. Soon, though, such communications become increasingly infrequent. As the power of the Shaman ebbed away from him, all that was left of the Emperor was a core of humanity with the potential of being reborn just as the Shaman had been born into the New Man. This was, and is, the Star Child.

While to the people of the Imperium, most especially the adeptus ministorum, the Emperor still lives only a few would learn the truth of the Star Child: the Illuminati. They hold the Long Watch of the Sensei against the time when the Emperor will finally fail and the Star Child is born into the New Man...

jgehunter wrote:When somebody mentions Black Crusade I can't help thinking about:

Spoiler:

Ladies and Gentlemen....Failbbadon has Left the Building.

The Sensei

The purpose of the Illuminati is to discover, groom, hide, and protect, the so-called Sensei. These individuals are the biological sons of the Emperor of Mankind who were conceived before the establishment of the Imperium, and are said to be immortal as well as sterile. They possibly number in the thousands, and they are normally unaware of their heritage; also, they are psychic blanks who possess no presence in the Warp and cannot be effected by psychic powers, as such, they are invisible even to the Emperor himself in his current state. The Sons of the Emperor that the Illuminati inform of their true nature become the Sensei "Knights of the Long Watch". The plan of the Illuminati is to collect as many of the Sensei as they can, and then sacrifice them at the proper time, possibly as late as the exact moment the Emperor's power finally wanes and his physical body undergoes its final death, which could be millenia hence. The sacrifice of the Sensei is supposed to give birth to the Star Child: an entity that would be the Emperor Reborn, as it fuses the essence of the Sensei (carriers of the Emperor's DNA), with the remnants of the Emperor's soul - which was cast into the Warp during the climactic events of the Horus Heresy. It is postulated that the Emperor's soul in the Warp acts as a "shining path", visible to certain individuals of psychic ability. Accordingly, it is a benign element in the otherwise hostile Warp environment, as it consists of the essence of the Emperor's humanity, compassion, and nobility. The force of the Emperor's rebirth (as the Numen, the shining-path-incarnate), would then destroy the Chaos Gods, and restore the Warp to its original, psychically-unpolluted and Chaos-free state.

Is ^ actual fluff, or is it fan speculation? Just curious, as I've heard this theory alot, but was it actually mentioned by GW, or is it fanmade (which is just as good, if not better)

IGdude354 wrote:Is ^ actual fluff, or is it fan speculation? Just curious, as I've heard this theory alot, but was it actually mentioned by GW, or is it fanmade (which is just as good, if not better)

I can't be sure as I am completely drunk right now and forgot where I found it, However it is amazing isn't it?
Actually I believe it was in some very old book about 40k and was forgotten. Like in 1980...


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http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Keeper_of_Secrets

How very interesting. This could be used to change the course of the future

IGdude354 wrote:Is ^ actual fluff, or is it fan speculation? Just curious, as I've heard this theory alot, but was it actually mentioned by GW, or is it fanmade (which is just as good, if not better)

It's real. It's from the Realms of Chaos books printed in 1988. It's got the canon equivalency of everything else that came from the Rogue Trader era. Meaning technically, it's just as canon as anything else. But it's not something that's (very) strongly supported by current lore and people are more than happy to ignore it wholesale.

Hah, I'm not more than willing to ignore it. I WILL SPREAD THE HOLY WORD OF THE EMPEROR REBORN

Hey, more power to you! It certainly gives a happy ending for 40k.

It's not the one I want or agree with, but it's still a possibility.