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it doesnt have to pan out that way. It could just be that the emperor is reborn, chaos takes terra, and the emperor leads a new crusade, which would be COMPLETELY different than the first (for very OBVIOUS reasons)

The reason why the Emperor was not 'ressurected' in the first place can be found in the terrible wound Horus caused and in a short story, quite frankly one of the best I've ever read to do with 40k & it's only a page long, at the beginning of the Inquisitor skirmish/RPG rulebook.

Would I like to see the God-Emperor reborn? As this Sensai thing or the Starchild? No. Never. Would I like to see him return in any form? Definitely and most seriously not.

Way I see the God-Emperor & the Imperium is that they reflect each other perfectly - the edges are rotting away, the outer decaying slowly but at the heart something still beats on, clinging on to life. The Imperium is a wonderful metaphore to me of the tenacity & stubbron will of humanity to try and survive regardless of the odds stacked against it. Technologically the Imperium is stagnant, much has been lost, little regained. Socially, philosophically & in a religious sense the Imperium is backward - it's laws are often draconian, overtly harsh & intended to prevent anyone from deviating from being loyal to the Imperium & the Imperial Faith. Citizens of the Imperium continue to live each day out even though it may be their last, working excessively long shifts in the great factories, workshops, agri-farms & whatever else they could do to help the great cogs of the Imperium keep on turning. The lives of those citizens are terrible, their lives little more than slave labour, yet still they cling on grimly by their fingertips to what they have.

The Imperium will fall. It will fracture, splinter, shatter, explode like a porcelain cup smashing into a concrete floor. But not yet, not while that basic human urge to survive keeps Imperial citizens going.

jareddm wrote:Hey, more power to you! It certainly gives a happy ending for 40k.

It's not the one I want or agree with, but it's still a possibility.

Well its not like its a Pre-ordained ending. Heck, the "Universe Crashes and Chaos wins" isn't a Preordained ending either.

Its more or less become a background element - specifically for the Thorian faction within the Inquisition.

The Imperium will fall. It will fracture, splinter, shatter, explode like a porcelain cup smashing into a concrete floor. But not yet, not while that basic human urge to survive keeps Imperial citizens going.

Beautifully summarized.

WH40K is about that tension - not the resolving of that tension (whether the resolution be good or bad is irrelevant).

Well that and Resolution of the God-Emperor Question = GW make no More $$$$.

Sparks_Havelock wrote:The reason why the Emperor was not 'ressurected' in the first place can be found in the terrible wound Horus caused and in a short story, quite frankly one of the best I've ever read to do with 40k & it's only a page long, at the beginning of the Inquisitor skirmish/RPG rulebook.

Would I like to see the God-Emperor reborn? As this Sensai thing or the Starchild? No. Never. Would I like to see him return in any form? Definitely and most seriously not.

Way I see the God-Emperor & the Imperium is that they reflect each other perfectly - the edges are rotting away, the outer decaying slowly but at the heart something still beats on, clinging on to life. The Imperium is a wonderful metaphore to me of the tenacity & stubbron will of humanity to try and survive regardless of the odds stacked against it. Technologically the Imperium is stagnant, much has been lost, little regained. Socially, philosophically & in a religious sense the Imperium is backward - it's laws are often draconian, overtly harsh & intended to prevent anyone from deviating from being loyal to the Imperium & the Imperial Faith. Citizens of the Imperium continue to live each day out even though it may be their last, working excessively long shifts in the great factories, workshops, agri-farms & whatever else they could do to help the great cogs of the Imperium keep on turning. The lives of those citizens are terrible, their lives little more than slave labour, yet still they cling on grimly by their fingertips to what they have.

The Imperium will fall. It will fracture, splinter, shatter, explode like a porcelain cup smashing into a concrete floor. But not yet, not while that basic human urge to survive keeps Imperial citizens going.

Guess what? One day that will actually be us. As the human race. Our earth will not last forever and eventually will succumb to the sun's super nova. Which means we will have to move to other planet's to survive. I dont want that future to actually be ours, and so that being said I look onward for hope. Now i cant exactly compare our lives to warhammer 40k but still, it was written, which means its a possibility that I would like to see happen.The imperium can recover.

Brother Thomas wrote:

Guess what? One day that will actually be us. As the human race. Our earth will not last forever and eventually will succumb to the sun's super nova. Which means we will have to move to other planet's to survive. I dont want that future to actually be ours, and so that being said I look onward for hope. Now i cant exactly compare our lives to warhammer 40k but still, it was written, which means its a possibility that I would like to see happen.The imperium can recover.

Spoken like a true Space Marine.

Robert Guilliman thought the same way. ;-)

ContemplativeSphinx wrote:

Brother Thomas wrote:

Guess what? One day that will actually be us. As the human race. Our earth will not last forever and eventually will succumb to the sun's super nova. Which means we will have to move to other planet's to survive. I dont want that future to actually be ours, and so that being said I look onward for hope. Now i cant exactly compare our lives to warhammer 40k but still, it was written, which means its a possibility that I would like to see happen.The imperium can recover.

Spoken like a true Space Marine.

Robert Guilliman thought the same way. ;-)

Oorah!

Daaaammmmnnnn. God Emperor got it going ON!
Break me off a piece of that!
No really. I could walk up and break off a piece of that with minimal effort.

Brother Thomas wrote:Guess what? One day that will actually be us. As the human race. Our earth will not last forever and eventually will succumb to the sun's super nova. Which means we will have to move to other planet's to survive. I dont want that future to actually be ours, and so that being said I look onward for hope. Now i cant exactly compare our lives to warhammer 40k but still, it was written, which means its a possibility that I would like to see happen.The imperium can recover.

I too would love to see the Imperium recover. But correct me if I am wrong but won't the sun first become a Red Giant, essentially expanding and engulfing the earth within itself? 4 Billion years from now when it runs out of Hyrdogen fuel?

Brother Thomas wrote:Yeah it is grim dark. Completely. However It is also stagnant.

It's a setting, not a story-line.

Part of the charm of a game like 40K is that I can use it to tell my own stories. I can imagine that I'm writing the fate of the Imperium as my legions march across the table-top to wreak havoc on their foes. I can't do that when GW changes the setting on me.

Ignatius wrote:

Brother Thomas wrote:Guess what? One day that will actually be us. As the human race. Our earth will not last forever and eventually will succumb to the sun's super nova. Which means we will have to move to other planet's to survive. I dont want that future to actually be ours, and so that being said I look onward for hope. Now i cant exactly compare our lives to warhammer 40k but still, it was written, which means its a possibility that I would like to see happen.The imperium can recover.

I too would love to see the Imperium recover. But correct me if I am wrong but won't the sun first become a Red Giant, essentially expanding and engulfing the earth within itself? 4 Billion years from now when it runs out of Hyrdogen fuel?

I very much doubt humans will be around to see that happen, and certainly not in the same biological form we have now.

Looking at that picture I think a larger problem is that he seems to have 2 left arms...

Ok ok, a lot of good points. But still, even if the main story changes.... WHICH IT SSHOULD because it cant stay the same forever, you can still make your battles, ect. No one is going to tell you that you cant play the boardgame


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Sattamassagana wrote:Looking at that picture I think a larger problem is that he seems to have 2 left arms...

Lol, i think one shriveled off

There was a post early in the thread that sugggested that they could hide the Emperor's death.
All sanctioned psykers are soul-bound to him as a part of their training. He dies, they all go mad. Half of the Imperium's forces would notice the instant he dies, and the warp spilling out would also be pretty obvious.

riverhawks32 wrote:If he dies here, the Astromonican goes out spelling doom for the Imperium. Reason being, that he must remain alive here to power the Astromonican.

Stop perpetuation this belief. The Astronomicon is not attached to the Golden Throne. It existed for hundreds (or thousands) of years before the Emperor took over.

that would being like saying 'some other god will crop up'

ineptus astartes wrote:that would being like saying 'some other god will crop up'

Read about the shamans, star child and the sensei before saying that


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DarknessEternal wrote:

riverhawks32 wrote:If he dies here, the Astromonican goes out spelling doom for the Imperium. Reason being, that he must remain alive here to power the Astromonican.

Stop perpetuation this belief. The Astronomicon is not attached to the Golden Throne. It existed for hundreds (or thousands) of years before the Emperor took over.

Hm if i remember correctly "The Saint" in HH book 2 used power similiar to the astronomican and the emperor wasnt on the golden throne. Not only that yes he dies, but then is reborn. and the power is still there. In the overall view of things and the long time span of everything that takes place, after 20 years of absence of the emperor being dead the emperor would be ready again and possibly already remember his past lives

Brother Thomas wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:that would being like saying 'some other god will crop up'

I was.I'm trying to say that the imperium and it's legions of deevotees would proclaim the idea heresy. they have,in fact. I mean, it revolves around letting their god DIE and another thing who might be him showing up.

Not to mention that when the emperor re-arrives (if he does) Terra will already be a world consumed by Demons.

yeah. so it's a case of 'it gets worse if we change it'

Brother Thomas wrote:Ok ok, a lot of good points. But still, even if the main story changes

Again, it's a setting. Not a story.

Kaldor wrote:

Brother Thomas wrote:Ok ok, a lot of good points. But still, even if the main story changes

Again, it's a setting. Not a story.

Again, you're ridiculous for saying that. There are multitudes of stories

Brother Thomas wrote:

Kaldor wrote:

Brother Thomas wrote:Ok ok, a lot of good points. But still, even if the main story changes

Again, it's a setting. Not a story.

Again, you're ridiculous for saying that. There are multitudes of stories

You're missing the point. A story has a beginning, a middle and an end. A crisis and a resolution.

40K, in general, is a setting. It is the backdrop against which actual stories can be set. It is not a story itself, and nor would I want it to be. The setting allows for untold numbers of interesting stories to be told.

Kaldor wrote:

Brother Thomas wrote:

Kaldor wrote:

Brother Thomas wrote:Ok ok, a lot of good points. But still, even if the main story changes

Again, it's a setting. Not a story.

Again, you're ridiculous for saying that. There are multitudes of stories

You're missing the point. A story has a beginning, a middle and an end. A crisis and a resolution.

40K, in general, is a setting. It is the backdrop against which actual stories can be set. It is not a story itself, and nor would I want it to be. The setting allows for untold numbers of interesting stories to be told.

Its different for different people. Not everyone plays the board game and sees it as a back drop. Think of the bigger picture...

Brother Thomas wrote:Its different for different people. Not everyone plays the board game and sees it as a back drop. Think of the bigger picture...

The setting is the bigger picture though. It's where all those stories take place. I don't play the tabletop much anymore but it's all about the setting for me.

Sparks_Havelock wrote:

Brother Thomas wrote:Its different for different people. Not everyone plays the board game and sees it as a back drop. Think of the bigger picture...

The setting is the bigger picture though. It's where all those stories take place. I don't play the tabletop much anymore but it's all about the setting for me.

So you mean to tell me that you never want to see it advance, EVER? I mean come on its been a LONG TIME since the emperor was first put on the throne. An upgrade in the setting could just spawn more and more amazing novels

Brother Thomas wrote:

Sparks_Havelock wrote:

Brother Thomas wrote:Its different for different people. Not everyone plays the board game and sees it as a back drop. Think of the bigger picture...

The setting is the bigger picture though. It's where all those stories take place. I don't play the tabletop much anymore but it's all about the setting for me.

So you mean to tell me that you never want to see it advance, EVER? I mean come on its been a LONG TIME since the emperor was first put on the throne. An upgrade in the setting could just spawn more and more amazing novels

No, I never EVER want to see it advance.

Well its a good thing that you don't make any policies, changes or overall decisions in 40k

Brother Thomas wrote:Well its a good thing that you don't make any policies, changes or overall decisions in 40k

No, it's a great tragedy mitigated only by the fact that you don't make any policy changes either

The 3rd edition codex made clear that the Starchild Theory ain't true. When the Emperor dies, he's dead.

Brother Thomas wrote:

Durza wrote:Personally, I would've resurrected him while it was still possible, but now letting him die does seem like the better option, especially since you could just get the thousands of psykers who get sacrificed to him every day sit on the Throne for like twenty seconds each and achieve the same end result.

Indeed, why not just power the throne with the thousands of psykers that get sacrificed daily anyway and then go ahead and let the emperor die and have his power be reincarnated into a new soul, therefore a new emperor. It was said that he remembered all of the past lives on the shamans, so eventually he'd remember his past life as the emperor, right?

Because no one knows what might happen. The emperor is unimaginably powerful psychically, his death could do anything, it could kill every psyker in Segmentum Solar or the entire Galaxy, it probably would allow hordes of daemons to flood Terra from his failed webway, it would temporarily cut off the astronomician, and if word got out that the emperor died morale for many forces would plummet. What would the sisters of battle do knowing that the emperor is dead? What would the Ecclesiarchy the object of their worship and the center of their power gone? What would the guardsman sitting in a trench desperate to survive pray to?

Also, maybe the chaos space marines would bring out the real emperor since they always talk about the false emperor. Maybe they switched the emperor with a double after the battle and are keeping him prisoner.

Oh well, its said the emperor is going to die eventually