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Ok, I've been away from the game for a while. I recently got back into it to knock off the rust prior to the release of 6th ed. I dusted off my old Orks and Deathwing.

I came to the conclusion that mechanized Deathwing are not competitive in 5th, so I use those in fluffy games.

My Orks however, have been tearing holes in every list I've faced. I'm not even good! I'm rusty! And have never been a tactical genius.

I run a hybrid, balanced list and have stomped Daemons, SM, SM Bikes, IG, Tyranids and Draigowing GK. They are undefeated, and half the W's my opponent was tabled.

From everything the mighty internet says, Orks shouldn't be this good. Am I just on a lucky streak? Am I about to reap the whirlwind? Because the power lists are supposedly Purifier Spam (I admit that's a rough match up for me), Wraithwing Necrons and Leafblower.

Can Orks be mentioned in that group? Or am I missing something?

My orkz have never lost yet and played my favorite list about 20 games. So I say if you play your army right, they will are right for you. And thus you will win a lot.

Also do not believe everything you see on the interwebs, not a trustworthy source of info. Learn right, learn from experience.

The Shrike wrote:Ok, I've been away from the game for a while. I recently got back into it to knock off the rust prior to the release of 6th ed. I dusted off my old Orks and Deathwing.

I came to the conclusion that mechanized Deathwing are not competitive in 5th, so I use those in fluffy games.

My Orks however, have been tearing holes in every list I've faced. I'm not even good! I'm rusty! And have never been a tactical genius.

I run a hybrid, balanced list and have stomped Daemons, SM, SM Bikes, IG, Tyranids and Draigowing GK. They are undefeated, and half the W's my opponent was tabled.

From everything the mighty internet says, Orks shouldn't be this good. Am I just on a lucky streak? Am I about to reap the whirlwind? Because the power lists are supposedly Purifier Spam (I admit that's a rough match up for me), Wraithwing Necrons and Leafblower.

Can Orks be mentioned in that group? Or am I missing something?

You can run a tournament list that is OP and supposed to crush everything, but if the player makes poor decisions then they deserve a Murder Stomp. Good on ya man for winning, and I think that you are sound in your decisions on the game table.

Of course they're amazingly competitive. Orks are made for fightin' and winnin'!

Luke_powder, you squared it up in one perfect sentence that is actually two!

They also recently won a major tournament IIRC.

what do you run in if you dont mind me asking

Those that say Orks are not strong in the competitive scene really don't understand how the army works.

Orks are great thanks to the fact they don't need their armor saves, because GK are everywhere. The transport heavy metagame that lowers the model count of many armies makes it easier on orks.

The top 16 at Adepticon:

7 Grey Knights
2 Space Wolves
2 Orks
1 Chaos Daemon
1 Imperial Guard
1 Necron
1 Eldar
1 Dark Angel

juraigamer wrote:Orks are great thanks to the fact they don't need their armor saves, because GK are everywhere. The transport heavy metagame that lowers the model count of many armies makes it easier on orks.

Minus cleansing flame.

@Welsh_Furey:

It depends on the points level but I never leave home without:

x3 Battlewagons equipped with RPJ, 1 Big Shoota, Deff Rolla- 360

Riding in them:

18 sluggas + 1 Nob (PK, Boss Pole) + Big Mek/KFF- 239
19 sluggas + 1 Nob (PK, Boss Pole) -160
19 sluggas + 1 Nob (PK, Boss Pole) - 160
10 shoota boyz, dedicated transport- Trukk w/ RPJ- 100
26 shoota boyz, 3 shoota boyz w/ Big shootas, + 1 Nob (PK)-230

Burnas x10 (deploy next to the 10 shoota boyz' trukk and climb in) + Warboss/Ghazzy depending on points level- 150-375

Those are my only indispensable units. Depending on my opponent and the fluffy vs competitiveness of the game, I've taken buggies (big shootas as well as rokkits), Lootas and nob bikers. But the core is above, I always take some version of that, with the flexibility coming in the choice between Ghazzy and a normal Warboss.

The 3 battlewagons are always a problem for people. And my Deff Rollas have won a few MVP's. RPJ is ESSENTIAL for me so far. Just last night I barely got the ram on a Soulgrinder because of RPJ. EXPLODED!

Burnas are my other honorable mention. They took out Scarbrand last night with my Warboss attached; and when using their burnas as opposed to power weapons, they've wasted entire tactical squads, terminators, bikes, you name it. I really like using that trukk action with them. The 10 man shoota mob babysits the home objective and tries not to get shot; while the burnas careen around in their trukk with the Warboss. It's a tactic yet to fail for me...I'll let you know when they fall on their face. Although someday when we get an update it'd be nice if Burnas could just take a trukk of their own.....

The maxed shoota mob is great. If it's an objective mission, perfect, they defend my turf. If it's KP, that unit doesn't die. And the amount of dice they roll is simply absurd.

Feel free to point out any poor choices, I can always get better!

Looks solid, Shrike. I think you'd probably benefit from some lootas, as Dark Eldar will otherwise be a very tough matchup for you.

Against the MEQ fare you see in most every tournament, though, that looks solid.

Deff rollas are silly powerful if you don't take them down immediately. Just in my last game, a deffrolla took out 2dreads, a pred, and a land raider in 2 turns. My fault for not realizing how silly powerful they are...

That is why you get Lascannon shots to the side of the battlewagon, they die easy enough.

The Orks have some good builds. But their trucks get stunned a lot because of armor 10.

and the Battlewagons have a narrow front so it is easy to get side armor shots on them.

and the side armor is fairly easy to get through for most armies.

Overall Orks, like any army, can be good if the opponents are not, or if they roll well and their opponent does not.

"and the Battlewagons have a narrow front so it is easy to get side armor shots on them."

That's why you custom build your own! )). Lol, I don't mean cheater crazy, but I use 1 GW wagon and 2 built from land raiders.

As an aside, I will bet money that when orks get a new dex, deffrollas will be knocked down to D3 S10 hits. Although if they let my burnas take a dedicated trukk; I'll make that trade.

We probably won't have to worry until 2017 : P

I have recently started playing Orks, switched over from IG. I have had relative success with them. Winning more than losing. I have played various chapters of basic SM, SW, IG, GK, CSM, and BA. I have not had much problem with the SM of any chapter, howerver, the GK give me nothing but problems. So much so, I would rather not play against them, but, I do anyway. IG can wreck me pretty badly depending on the build. Is the ork army overpowered, no, at least I don't think so. No ork is getting a 2+/3+ with FNP. I like the fluff ideas of the army, just fungus growing and fighting.

I've got about 9k worth of Orks these days and I can say that I've run several different builds and they always been very competitive.

As far as my favorite:
1.) Kan wall + Green Tide
2.) Battlewagon Spam
3.) Biker List
4.) Maxed Green Tide
5.) Loota Spam

There are so many combinations and strategies that work with Orks that they are hard to discount. Nearly every unit in the codex is completely viable when built into a proper list.



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martin74 wrote: No ork is getting a 2+/3+ with FNP. I like the fluff ideas of the army, just fungus growing and fighting.

Ghaz in a nob squad with a painboy, all of which are wound allocated and sitting in a battlewagon...

CageUF wrote:

martin74 wrote: No ork is getting a 2+/3+ with FNP. I like the fluff ideas of the army, just fungus growing and fighting.

Ghaz in a nob squad with a painboy, all of which are wound allocated and sitting in a battlewagon...

How are nobs getting a 3++?

I think he's noting that (for one round only) Ghaz can have 2+, 2++ FNP.

Ascalam wrote:I think he's noting that (for one round only) Ghaz can have 2+, 2++ FNP.

For one round?

So for their cost they are still not as good as TH/SS terminators, Got it.

Yup.

TH/SS termies are gruesomely underpointed (or Nobz/Meganobz are overcosted )

No ork (aside from ghaz for the round he pops waaagh) can get 2+, 3++.

Meganobz can get 2+,5++,4+ fnp, but only with Grotsnik taking up an HQ slot and some serious points expenditure.

Regular nobz can only hope for 4+,5++ FNP, and the cost for the unit gets astronomical real fast.

Orks are very competitive and very diverse. There are a lot of very different Ork armies out there which work very well. The more I look at my DE the more I see how limited it is. Its always the same.

Yup, the internet is trying really hard to tell everyone that orks aren't competitive. Let them believe whatever they like, it's better for us

Chancetragedy wrote:Deff rollas are silly powerful if you don't take them down immediately. Just in my last game, a deffrolla took out 2dreads, a pred, and a land raider in 2 turns. My fault for not realizing how silly powerful they are...

The only way this could happen is you lining up your vehicles in a conga line and the ork getting nothing but Explodes! results. So, if that actually happened, it was both your fault and bad luck.

Jidmah wrote:Yup, the internet is trying really hard to tell everyone that orks aren't competitive. Let them believe whatever they like, it's better for us

Actually, I'm pretty sure the internet touts the Orks as the the most competitive and best-aging non-5th Edition Codex.

Well, you must be reading different sources than me then

The guys at 3++ even went as far as picking appart how bad the ork's opponents were, to justify having three orks in the top 10 of their tourney.

Most competitive blogs consider orks being strictly inferior to all 5th edition codices, except the obviously bad ones, like Tyranids.

Jidmah wrote:Well, you must be reading different sources than me then

The guys at 3++ even went as far as picking appart how bad the ork's opponents were, to justify having three orks in the top 10 of their tourney.

Most competitive blogs consider orks being strictly inferior to all 5th edition codices, except the obviously bad ones, like Tyranids.

Maybe you've just been reading dodgy sources? Their tourney record alone can account for their competitiveness.
As for them being inferior to 5th Edition Codices - and correct me if I'm wrong - but that is neither surprising, nor does it make them uncompetitive. I mean, a Codex doesn't have to be equal to Grey Knights to be good, as an example.

Imo, Greyknights being overly good is just as much "internet-myth" as orks being bad. Orks lack the tools to handle certain things, but as orks are tend to be all-rounders on the battlefield they can compensate for that.

It seems to me the only discernable weakness of Orks that can't be mitigated for a reasonable price is ranged anti-AV13/14. Rokkit Buggies can't be relied upon, and they're only S8. Lootas can't scratch the heaviest armor. We've got Deff rollas (not ranged), Warbosses (not ranged) and I suppose Deff Koptas with Buzz Saws and Rokkits, but those are absurdly fragile and a bit expensive.

Courz dats why we 'ave to stick 'em up close like!

The internet tells me if im not playing either space wolves, imperial guard or grey knights then its not competitive...

Geeze I wish my friend would read this thread. He plays orks and is under the impression that his codex sucks. I try to give him advice but he's pretty stubborn. I told him about the greatness of Burna Boyz and a Battlewagon, which despite his reluctance, he finally started to use to great success. I told him to swap out a Warboss for a Big Mek in aforementioned Battlewagon, which he once again reluctantly tried......and loved, but he still feels like Orks aren't competitive. He beats me more often than not (but I play CSM.....so yeah). We recently started playing at our FLGS and I'm hoping he gets a chance to play against some of the more "OP" 5th edition armies like GK or BA so he can see that Orks are still ded killy as ever!

What are some good lists he can make out of this stuff?

2 Big Meks, 2 Warbosses

10 Lootas, 15 Burnas, 12 Nobs

70-80ish Boyz (I think 15 of which are Shootas), 2 Trukks

2 Bikers, 1 Nob Biker, 15 Stormboyz, Zagstruk, 6 Deffkoptas

Deff Dread, 3 Kans, 2 Battlewagons

And I think some various other random tid bitz.