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stormtalon gunships carrying gakloads of gear and possibly a new codex for the adeptus astartes...
really? voice your opinions....

Please don't write thread titles in ALL CAPS.

Thanks,

Manchu

Wrong section.

Also, don't type your title in all caps. Its just obnoxious.

Yes, yes we do. And, again, wrong section.

Space Marines sell more models than any other line. So, yes, since GW like money, Space Marines really need more units.

there should be a special section for troll threads.

Yes

fair enough but the designs of the stormtalon are ridiculous, its a squashed stormraven without the troop carrying section, the release could have been something better like the lightning strike fighter or the thunderbolts. i mean really GW,

More is better. All codecies will get fliers. Calm down. [Que resests watch references]

Maybe, but that would upset non marine players.

Great White wrote:Maybe, but that would upset non marine players.

thank you, re release the armies that actually need extra units like eldar, IG, etc

It doesn't hurt to have more options, and the range is fleshed out enough that we can get away with random new units now and then.

Extra units? For the IG?

If there's an army that would probably benefit from less units/variants, it's the Guard. Not all of us can boast 14 different heavy support options!.

Agent_Tremolo wrote:Extra units? For the IG?

If there's an army that would probably benefit from less units/variants, it's the Guard. Not all of us can boast 14 different heavy support options!.

actually the guard is one of the most varied units in the imperium, some people would quite like to have more than just tank armies or infantry regiments, get the guard some much neded air support and it
would provide some links to the background of the IG

Agent_Tremolo wrote:Extra units? For the IG?

If there's an army that would probably benefit from less units/variants, it's the Guard. Not all of us can boast 14 different heavy support options!.

To be fair, most of those are simple weapon swaps with names attached to them, not actually 14 distinct HS options. Nobody considers Predator Annihilators distinct HS options from Predator Destructors, they shouldn't look at Leman Russ Demolishers and Leman Russ Punishers different HS options either, it's one tank with a turret weapon swap. Really, IG have 5 HS options with a lot of different weapons turret upgrades on one and different main gun upgrades on another.

As for SM's. Do they *really* need more units? No. Many of the "new" units they've gotten recently have just been overspecialized versions of previous units (e.g. Vanguard and Sternguard vets were just...Vets) to make it seem like something new, units that re-tread existing ground (Stormtalon is basically an uparmored Land Speeder), or rehashes of old units (Thunderfire cannon---Thudd gun), or because they needed to find some way to actually justify the existence of a sub-codex that shares 90% of the same weapons/wargear/units/characters/upgrades with C:SM (e.g. Stormraven for BA's, which essentially are just fast landraiders). The only truly real "unique" and new unit any SM army has really gotten recently was Thunderwolf Cavalry, which have a host of other issues aside.

Are they going to keep getting more new things? Yes. Is it a self-reinforcing cycle of greater support for SM's engendering greater SM sales while other lines languish for lack of support and thus get less support because they don't sell because of a lack of support, etc ad nauseum? Yes.

The SM don't need more options. They just need tweaks to their existing ones. For instance, somehow make regular assault squads fill their desired role (assault oriented Jump infantry) and I'll be happy.

@sierra 1247: Hey! You army boys were the first to get a flier worthy of that name, and now us poor neglected xenos get some, you get jealous. It's unfair!

@Vaktathi: Good point. You know, while I was counting the LBRT variants, a voice in my head kept saying 'Tremolo, yer cheating'. Yes, most IG options are variants of a single chassis and worse, most need Forgeworld/conversion work to be properly represented ingame.

Still, I think the Guard codex needs some streamlining, leaving out the unusable and the redundant...

It probably could use some more streamlining, 'tis true, something like the following:

"Leman Russ Battle Tank"

"May swap battle cannon for one of the following weapons for Xpts"


and then they could go over the various names and whatnot in the actual background section or FW books instead of the army list section. They could also probably have retconned the Eradicator as the Conqueror instead of making a new variant and making FW feel the need to make a fairly pointless FW specific variant.

'. Yes, most IG options are variants of a single chassis and worse,

Which is how things work for guard, I mean all the artillery variants are based on the chimera chasis after all, it's not like it's an unusual trait (Nearly all spheiss mahrine metal bawkses are descended from the rhino)

Firstly, I love the Stormtalon. So there. :p

Secondly, do the C:SM need a flyer when the entire game is being taken in the direction of fliers? Absolutely, yes. The SM are the base army, the default. When they are adding a new aspect to the game, and the basic C:SM haven't had any new units in a few years, then yes, they should get one.

Finally, GW is a miniature company first. They always have been, and have never claimed to be anything else. They sell a wargame so you will have something to do with your minis.

Should they release new units for their flagship line? Absolutely.

It isn't like xenos have been left out over the past year or two. If anything I would say there have been more xeno models released that SM.

No, but new units is much better then more codex's. I fear that we will get Codex: Yellow Space Marines and Codex: White Space Marines in the future.

Most vehicles for most factions are typically based on a single hull. Ravagers and Raiders for DE, Falcons and Wave Serpents and Fire Prisms all share a hull for Eldar, Skyrays and Devilfish and Hammerheads share a common hull, SM and SoB vehicles mostly all share a common hull, IG have Chimera and Leman Russ hulls for most vehicles, etc.

It makes it a lot easier on GW's end to make new vehicles and lends a neat uniformity of look to armies.

Vaktathi wrote:Most vehicles for most factions are typically based on a single hull. Ravagers and Raiders for DE, Falcons and Wave Serpents and Fire Prisms all share a hull for Eldar, Skyrays and Devilfish and Hammerheads share a common hull, SM and SoB vehicles mostly all share a common hull, IG have Chimera and Leman Russ hulls for most vehicles, etc.

It makes it a lot easier on GW's end to make new vehicles and lends a neat uniformity of look to armies.

I have to say, that is one thing I love about playing crons. Only two variants per hull. I've never seen a 40k army with so man unique silhouettes.

Vaktathi wrote:It probably could use some more streamlining, 'tis true, something like the following:

"Leman Russ Battle Tank"

"May swap battle cannon for one of the following weapons for Xpts"


and then they could go over the various names and whatnot in the actual background section or FW books instead of the army list section. They could also probably have retconned the Eradicator as the Conqueror instead of making a new variant and making FW feel the need to make a fairly pointless FW specific variant.

This is how the Armored Battlegroup list does it (thank god).

Harriticus wrote:No, but new units is much better then more codex's.

Truth!.

Actually, I think this is the way things are heading: More units, less books, and the choice to build themed armies or subfactions from a reasonably wide range of choices. Think DE Haemonculi, Canoptek Necrons, Ork Speed Freeks, Dark Angel Ravenwing... I bet we'll see more of those in the future.

That's why I'm slightly puzzled at GW's choice to split the Chaos book in two, assuming the rumors are true. I somehow thought that, given the trend, the Cultist, Chaos Legion and Chaos Warband army variants would be dealt with in a single book. I was either wrong or fed too many misleading rumors, it seems...

Vaktathi wrote:"May swap battle cannon for one of the following weapons for Xpts"

My thoughts exactly.

The Stormtalon is so fail ( ruleswise, yes, i too want a huge 110? points instant casualty instead of two Landspeeders \o/ ) that there is nothing to worry about.
Besides that, unlike quite a few other decisions by GW ( "yo dawg, by making half of the current armies suck and constantly increasing the cost of entry into the hobby we will surely increase our customer base...splendid idea old chap, now let's have some cocain" ) releasing a new space marines vehicle once in a while appears to make economical sense.

riplikash wrote:the C:SM need a flyer when the entire game is being taken in the direction of fliers?.

This.

Every army in the game are getting flyers. You can reasonably assume that flyers will be a big part of the 6th edition game.
Flyers are like tanks. Their cool and neat to see, and you can expect armies to be fielding them in the future. In this release 2 xenos got them and one imperial.
So cut down on the marine hate.

adeptus astartes codex??

Agent_Tremolo wrote:@sierra 1247: Hey! You army boys were the first to get a flier worthy of that name, and now us poor neglected xenos get some, you get jealous. It's unfair!

@Vaktathi: Good point. You know, while I was counting the LBRT variants, a voice in my head kept saying 'Tremolo, yer cheating'. Yes, most IG options are variants of a single chassis and worse, most need Forgeworld/conversion work to be properly represented ingame.

Still, I think the Guard codex needs some streamlining, leaving out the unusable and the redundant...

actually i think its good that the xenos have some fliers, i was more getting at SM who now have about four of them...


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labmouse42 wrote:

riplikash wrote:the C:SM need a flyer when the entire game is being taken in the direction of fliers?.

This.

Every army in the game are getting flyers. You can reasonably assume that flyers will be a big part of the 6th edition game.
Flyers are like tanks. Their cool and neat to see, and you can expect armies to be fielding them in the future. In this release 2 xenos got them and one imperial.
So cut down on the marine hate.

yeah but considering that SM got the stormraven last year and have always had landspeeders, its not exactly fair to see the IN or IG to have only one flyer when a lot of armies have a lot more airbourne vehicles than what is essentially an extremely diverse fight unit using airbourne, mechanised and armoured divisions,

I dont mind a new codex.

Well if GW is a mini company first... maybe they should hire some mini sculptors then instead of the gakkers they have now pumping out the Storm talon.


I see Infinity jumping leaps and bounds this year based on GW pricing AND GW model quality.