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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/12 19:11:54
Subject: The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
USA
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Originally from Reddit:
I've been playing the same game of Civ II for 10 years. Though long outdated, I grew fascinated with this particular game because by the time Civ III was released, I was already well into the distant future. I then thought that it might be interesting to see just how far into the future I could get and see what the ramifications would be. Naturally I play other games and have a life, but I often return to this game when I'm not doing anything and carry on. The results are as follows.
The world is a hellish nightmare of suffering and devastation.
There are 3 remaining super nations in the year 3991 A.D, each competing for the scant resources left on the planet after dozens of nuclear wars have rendered vast swaths of the world uninhabitable wastelands.
-The ice caps have melted over 20 times (somehow) due primarily to the many nuclear wars. As a result, every inch of land in the world that isn't a mountain is inundated swamp land, useless to farming. Most of which is irradiated anyway.
-As a result, big cities are a thing of the distant past. Roughly 90% of the worlds population (at it's peak 2000 years ago) has died either from nuclear annihilation or famine caused by the global warming that has left absolutely zero arable land to farm. Engineers (late game worker units) are always busy continuously building roads so that new armies can reach the front lines. Roads that are destroyed the very next turn when the enemy goes. So there isn't any time to clear swamps or clean up the nuclear fallout.
-Only 3 super massive nations are left. The Celts (me), The Vikings, And the Americans. Between the three of us, we have conquered all the other nations that have ever existed and assimilated them into our respective empires.
-You've heard of the 100 year war? Try the 1700 year war. The three remaining nations have been locked in an eternal death struggle for almost 2000 years. Peace seems to be impossible. Every time a cease fire is signed, the Vikings will surprise attack me or the Americans the very next turn, often with nuclear weapons. Even when the U.N forces a peace treaty. So I can only assume that peace will come only when they're wiped out. It is this that perpetuates the war ad infinitum. Have any of you old Civ II players out there ever had this problem in the post-late game?
-Because of SDI, ICBMS are usually only used against armies outside of cities. Instead, cities are constantly attacked by spies who plant nuclear devices which then detonate (something I greatly miss from later civ games). Usually the down side to this is that every nation in the world declares war on you. But this is already the case so its no longer a deterrent to anyone. My self included.
-The only governments left are two theocracies and myself, a communist state. I wanted to stay a democracy, but the Senate would always over-rule me when I wanted to declare war before the Vikings did. This would delay my attack and render my turn and often my plans useless. And of course the Vikings would then break the cease fire like clockwork the very next turn. Something I also miss in later civ games is a little internal politics. Anyway, I was forced to do away with democracy roughly a thousand years ago because it was endangering my empire. But of course the people hate me now and every few years since then, there are massive guerrilla (late game barbarians) uprisings in the heart of my empire that I have to deal with which saps resources from the war effort.
-The military stalemate is air tight. The post-late game in civ II is perfectly balanced because all remaining nations already have all the technologies so there is no advantage. And there are so many units at once on the map that you could lose 20 tank units and not have your lines dented because you have a constant stream moving to the front. This also means that cities are not only tiny towns full of starving people, but that you can never improve the city. "So you want a granary so you can eat? Sorry; I have to build another tank instead. Maybe next time."
-My goal for the next few years is to try and end the war and thus use the engineers to clear swamps and fallout so that farming may resume. I want to rebuild the world. But I'm not sure how. If any of you old Civ II players have any advice, I'm listening.
Edit: -Wow guys. Thanks for all your support. I had no idea this post would get this kind of response. -I'll be sure to keep you guys updated on my efforts. Whether here on Reddit, or a blog, or both. -Turns out a whole subreddit has been dedicated to ending this war.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/12 20:31:02
Subject: The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Hallowed Canoness
Ireland
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That sounds pretty epic, indeed. Now I want to see screenshots of the map.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/12 20:35:01
Subject: Re:The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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That's fairly incredible...
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/12 20:38:55
Subject: The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I'm surprised he only got to 3991AD in all that time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/12 20:50:09
Subject: The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Makes me wanna play Civ II again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/12 21:18:51
Subject: The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
USA
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I want to play Civ II, but it doesn't work on 64bit OS XD
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/12 21:46:08
Subject: The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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I wanna play Civ II so bad now...
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Veteran Sergeant wrote:In the grim darkness of the far future, the guy with a rifle is the weakest man on the battlefield, left to quake in terror, hoping the two or three shots he gets do the job before somebody runs screaming across the battlefield to hit him with an energized stick.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/440996.page
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/12 23:30:22
Subject: The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Assassin with Black Lotus Poison
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I can remember one of my Civ 2 games. I found an enemy civilisation which hadn't advanced to gunpowder yet. My Submarine sent a Nuclear Missile into their capital before I marched in with my troops and tanks for the glory of my communist state. All my cities were under martial law, and my military could pretty much decimate anything I found. That game could get so unbalanced sometimes.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/13 03:35:59
Subject: The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Ah, Civ II, how you greatly amused me. I recall building an isolated island in the middle of a lake for my capital, which had every resource on it that I could fit on it and a 1 wide pathway of coastal waters which allowed naval access (As well as water based resources), and surrounded the whole thing with mountains to make the only water entrance a natural bottleneck. For the most part, I stayed on that island and the surrounding coastline of the large lake, and was isolationist until I hit the modern era... at which point I swept across the Pangaea and conquered most of it rather quickly, except for two nations at either the north or south ends which had themselves become rather large. It was stupid of me to have a two front war, but eh. That's life!
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/13 08:36:09
Subject: Re:The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Hulking Hunter-class Warmech
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This sounds rather awesome, and I really want to play Civ II now. The only Civ game I've played is IV, so I might just make do with that when I get home from work
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/13 10:13:00
Subject: The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Foxy Wildborne
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Hm, compared to this Civ V is really bland and gamey.
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The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/13 13:01:35
Subject: The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Looks like it turned into a 3 kingdoms scenario, where if one nation does an all out war against another (as opposed to skirmishes) itself will be weakened in the conflict for the 3rd nation to take over easily.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/13 13:04:27
Subject: The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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Daba wrote:Looks like it turned into a 3 kingdoms scenario, where if one nation does an all out war against another (as opposed to skirmishes) itself will be weakened in the conflict for the 3rd nation to take over easily.
Everyone was constantly at war with everyone though...
It's the ultimate dystopian hell-hole...
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/13 14:42:05
Subject: Re:The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Longtime Dakkanaut
St. Louis, Missouri
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Pic of the front lines
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/13 15:56:51
Subject: Re:The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Hallowed Canoness
Ireland
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Shiiiit.
Somebody should become the God-Emperor already.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/13 16:00:04
Subject: The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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[DCM]
Coastal Bliss in the Shadow of Sizewell
Suffolk, where the Aliens roam.
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Damn, I only ever had the Playstation version (got it again a little while back) but it was and is lots of fun.
Love the idea of this just plodding along in eternal war.
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"That's not an Ork, its a girl.." - Last words of High General Daran Ul'tharem, battle of Ursha VII.
Two White Horses (Ipswich Town and Denver Broncos Supporter)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/13 16:01:11
Subject: The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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The Hammer of Witches
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Seriously. That definitely constitutes a grim darkness, a far future, and only being war. Ticks all the boxes.
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DC:80SG+M+B+I+Pw40k97#+D+A++/wWD190R++T(S)DM+
htj wrote:You can always trust a man who quotes himself in his signature. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/13 16:38:04
Subject: Re:The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Fixture of Dakka
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While this game does sound awesome, I have a really hard time imagining it's true. If the world is as destroyed as he says it is, his cities can't be very large. Even if one of the cities is sitting next to an ocean with resources, it's population can't get very large (especially if it gets nuked from time to time). And, ocean tiles aren't going to be producing shields (unless they have oil). A nuclear missile costs 160 shields. If his most productive cities are making 10 shields per turn (that'd take both oil in the ocean and peak in the swamp), that's still 16 years between being able to make a nuclear missile. Most of his cities will only be turning one out every hundred years. Combat units aren't much cheaper, so they won't be many of them. And, units fight to the death in Civ2, so they'd die almost immediately after being built. Those front lines wouldn't be stuck in place, they'd swing wildly as a single unit would make a huge difference in this wasteland. I think this is simply him using the cheat console to create a screenshot and posting it, or him having effectively conquered everyone and just letting them keep living while nuking them constantly. Also: the comment about engineers makes no sense. They'd be killed way faster than they could be made. There's no way he's sending massive waves each turn to rebuild roads.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/13 20:42:43
Subject: The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Imperial Agent Provocateur
Mississippi
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Lynata: What are those pics of?
Grakmar: I was thinking something was off as well, but just brushed it off as not having played the game for so long. Something just doesn't "seem right" about the whole thing.
Ahh, the fun memories of all night games of Civ II and AD&D that got me through college. Well....almost got me failed out of college due to not going to class after those all night games anyway. Think I will try and find my copy and see if it will run on my older computer later for old times sake.....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/13 20:46:19
Subject: The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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That's from the Warzone movie, iirc.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/13 20:55:28
Subject: The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Oberleutnant
Germany
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Thanks for sharing that story.
Civ II times were good times. I can count how often I played the (a bit modified by me) WWI Scenario.
Hell I loved the whole Scenarios from the Addons,even the soundtrack was great.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/13 21:06:32
Subject: Re:The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Hallowed Canoness
Ireland
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Archaeo wrote:Lynata: What are those pics of?
"Mutant Chronicles" - a low-budget movie about some P&P RPG I had never heard before. Personally, I thought that for what it was, the movie was pretty well done. No blockbuster or something with a deeper meaning, or even something I'd watch more than once, but I felt entertained and it looked a lot better than the Space Marine movie. GW could take a lesson from it.
From a 40k PoV, the movie is basically DKoK vs mutants (it even features Aquila flags, a drop pod, bolters, a Cleric and a SoB  ), though it starts out as nations locked in eternal war with a huge trench fight between frontline troops, which is where the images were from. This Civ game reminded me of it.
Oh well. Would suck if the guy was just faking it, given that the concept sounded pretty amazing. It's been ages since I last touched Civ, though I have fond memories of it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/13 21:08:57
Subject: The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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@Lynata: That RPG (Mutant Chronicles) also had a Tabletop game called Warzone. It 'competed' with GW in the 90's. I still have some of the plastic minis, which are available for super cheap nowadays and make great unit fillers or counts as.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/13 21:09:22
Subject: The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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Mutant Chronicles was pretty damn grim...
I thought it was done fairly well, for what it was as well...
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/13 21:10:26
Subject: The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Hallowed Canoness
Ireland
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pretre wrote:@Lynata: That RPG (Mutant Chronicles) also had a Tabletop game called Warzone. It 'competed' with GW in the 90's. I still have some of the plastic minis, which are available for super cheap nowadays and make great unit fillers or counts as.
Hah, I hadn't heard of that one either. Thanks for clearing this up, I thought you were mistaken.
I did notice photos of a lot of cool minis on the web, though, and did wonder why people would need tanks for an RPG.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/13 21:13:48
Subject: The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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You can still order the minis. A company called Prince August bought them up:
http://www.princeaugust.ie/target_games/index_warzone.html
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/15 17:39:32
Subject: The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Assassin with Black Lotus Poison
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Goddammit. Thanks to this thread I've relapsed into Civ addiction.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/15 18:08:17
Subject: The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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Same. Me and the Broskies doing Civ5 coop XD
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/15 20:15:30
Subject: The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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Ha, I love this story. Playing a game of Civ3 myself. It just keeps pulling me back in.
Mutant Chronicles was the closest thing we've had to a 40K movie. (sorry, Ultramarine)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/15 20:32:19
Subject: The Most Epic Game of Civilization of All Time
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Assassin with Black Lotus Poison
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LordofHats wrote:Same. Me and the Broskies doing Civ5 coop XD
Civ 5 for the win. Though I miss all the little details from Civ 2 like corruption and pollution.
Just had basically the entire world declare war on me but as I control the sea (submarines, they never see me coming  ) they're completely unable to actually attack me.
Oh and you might be angry to hear that I (playing as Russia) just wiped out the US. They never really recovered after my surprise attack on Washington DC.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me. |
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