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Exalted Pariah wrote:It saddens me to think tha tmost people think "in god we trust" was always apart of america, when in reality, it was only added in 1950
But we must show those godless communists who is boss!
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EDIT: As a side note, this is what happens when you live in the state with the 48th best education system in the country.
EDIT EDIT: Am I the only one who watches that Emmanuel guy and thinks he's a bit off his rocker (as in legitimately clinical crazy not just stupid crazy)?
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Wow... I'm about half hour into this... it's disturbing to me the number of idiotic people running around this country... I actually find John Ragosta quite interesting in what he is pointing out of the "Christian history" of America...
Excellent. The one thing Dakka OT was missing was an anti religion thread. I fell complete now.
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I think "idiots like those" run their mouths just as much as you non religious lot. Infact, if you look at the last, oh I dunno, lets say 5 "religious threads" they were started by posters that were anti religious anyways
KingCracker wrote:I think "idiots like those" run their mouths just as much as you non religious lot. Infact, if you look at the last, oh I dunno, lets say 5 "religious threads" they were started by posters that were anti religious anyways
That might have something to do with the fact that religion affects our lives and we would rather it didn't. Apart from the whole teaching evolution thing (which is absolutely right), do the non religious want everyone to act in a specific way, and try to force others to do so? Do they prevent personal choice, and not allow people to live as they wish?
btw, there is a very big difference between non religious and anti religious.
OT, I'm about 10mins in and even I know that the Constitution dictates a separation of Church and State, silly people claiming otherwise.
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The exact phrase separation of Church and State does not appear; it's implied.
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Unfortunately when the religious say/do something stupid its because religion made them stupid. When non religious people say/do something stupid, they're just stupid.
LordofHats wrote:Unfortunately when the religious say/do something stupid its because religion made them stupid. When non religious people say/do something stupid, they're just stupid.
Double standard and all that.
Religion doesn't make people stupid. I'm religious. Some stupid people use religion in stupid and dangerous ways.
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KingCracker wrote:I think "idiots like those" run their mouths just as much as you non religious lot. Infact, if you look at the last, oh I dunno, lets say 5 "religious threads" they were started by posters that were anti religious anyways
That might have something to do with the fact that religion affects our lives and we would rather it didn't. Apart from the whole teaching evolution thing (which is absolutely right), do the non religious want everyone to act in a specific way, and try to force others to do so? Do they prevent personal choice, and not allow people to live as they wish?
btw, there is a very big difference between non religious and anti religious.
OT, I'm about 10mins in and even I know that the Constitution dictates a separation of Church and State, silly people claiming otherwise.
As far as I know, the only way most religious groups tell people what to do and how to act and such, is if your part of their organization, and even then its not to extremes. Its more along the lines of show respect, follow mass yadda yadda yadda, if you do not, then we will ask you to leave. So other then strict Muslims and a few other religious groups around the world persecuting women, Im not really seeing where your going with this.
KingCracker wrote:I think "idiots like those" run their mouths just as much as you non religious lot. Infact, if you look at the last, oh I dunno, lets say 5 "religious threads" they were started by posters that were anti religious anyways
That might have something to do with the fact that religion affects our lives and we would rather it didn't. Apart from the whole teaching evolution thing (which is absolutely right), do the non religious want everyone to act in a specific way, and try to force others to do so? Do they prevent personal choice, and not allow people to live as they wish?
btw, there is a very big difference between non religious and anti religious.
OT, I'm about 10mins in and even I know that the Constitution dictates a separation of Church and State, silly people claiming otherwise.
As far as I know, the only way most religious groups tell people what to do and how to act and such, is if your part of their organization, and even then its not to extremes. Its more along the lines of show respect, follow mass yadda yadda yadda, if you do not, then we will ask you to leave. So other then strict Muslims and a few other religious groups around the world persecuting women, Im not really seeing where your going with this.
So the fact that they teach abstinence only sex education in most southern states has nothing to do with religious groups that consider "birds and the bee's" discussions with kids highly inappropriate.
So the fact that homosexual marriages are still not recognized in many states has nothing to do with a religious majority imposing their views and values on others.
So the fact that there are constant attempts at legislating a woman's right to an abortion have nothing to do with the religion of the legislators or those who elected them.
So the fact that some old guy in Rome says that the use of contraceptives and condoms is a sin (unless you happen to be a male prostitute) has nothing to do with... you get the point.
Telling people how to live is basically what every religion does.
And it's not just the Muslims who have a thing for oppressing women’s rights KC.
LordofHats wrote:Unfortunately when the religious say/do something stupid its because religion made them stupid. When non religious people say/do something stupid, they're just stupid.
Double standard and all that.
Religion doesn't make people stupid. I'm religious. Some stupid people use religion in stupid and dangerous ways.
Obviously. I'm commenting on an attitude that I feel is present on some of the anti-religion discussion that treats being religious as if its something that makes someone stupid.
LordofHats wrote:Unfortunately when the religious say/do something stupid its because religion made them stupid. When non religious people say/do something stupid, they're just stupid.
Double standard and all that.
Religion doesn't make people stupid. I'm religious. Some stupid people use religion in stupid and dangerous ways.
Obviously. I'm commenting on an attitude that I feel is present on some of the anti-religion discussion that treats being religious as if its something that makes someone stupid.
KingCracker wrote:I think "idiots like those" run their mouths just as much as you non religious lot. Infact, if you look at the last, oh I dunno, lets say 5 "religious threads" they were started by posters that were anti religious anyways
That might have something to do with the fact that religion affects our lives and we would rather it didn't. Apart from the whole teaching evolution thing (which is absolutely right), do the non religious want everyone to act in a specific way, and try to force others to do so? Do they prevent personal choice, and not allow people to live as they wish?
btw, there is a very big difference between non religious and anti religious.
OT, I'm about 10mins in and even I know that the Constitution dictates a separation of Church and State, silly people claiming otherwise.
As far as I know, the only way most religious groups tell people what to do and how to act and such, is if your part of their organization, and even then its not to extremes. Its more along the lines of show respect, follow mass yadda yadda yadda, if you do not, then we will ask you to leave. So other then strict Muslims and a few other religious groups around the world persecuting women, Im not really seeing where your going with this.
So the fact that they teach abstinence only sex education in most southern states has nothing to do with religious groups that consider "birds and the bee's" discussions with kids highly inappropriate. So the fact that homosexual marriages are still not recognized in many states has nothing to do with a religious majority imposing their views and values on others.
So the fact that there are constant attempts at legislating a woman's right to an abortion have nothing to do with the religion of the legislators or those who elected them.
So the fact that some old guy in Rome says that the use of contraceptives and condoms is a sin (unless you happen to be a male prostitute) has nothing to do with... you get the point.
Telling people how to live is basically what every religion does.
And it's not just the Muslims who have a thing for oppressing women’s rights KC.
What he said.
To add to it, basically religion often compels the non religious to act according to the morality of that religion, regardless of how moral the religion is on such things. I have no problem with compelling people not to murder or steal, but I do have serious problems with treating homosexuals and women as second class citizens because of a book that was written millennia ago. For too long decisions which affect us all have been decided based on a ethical code not all of us share, when there is a perfectly adequate ethical code we could all buy into quite happily "do unto others..." If the choices we took as a society were based on this pretty much everyone would be happy with it.
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First off, Christianity is not all religions or philosophies. There are many religion that explicitly state that their rules are only for the followers of the religion. For example Judaism requires that a Jew must follow the laws given in the torah in order to be a good and holy person, but a gentile is held to a much lower standard. It is in fact possible for a gentile to be considered more 'good' then a Jew if the Jew isn't following the laws of the Torah.
So you can say that a christian group (note not all Christians but a group of Christians) is doing something but you can't say because of this that all religions or the religious are doing something.
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MagickalMemories wrote:How about making another fist?
One can be, "Da Fist uv Mork" and the second can be, "Da Uvver Fist uv Mork."
Make a third, and it can be, "Da Uvver Uvver Fist uv Mork"
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youbedead wrote:First off, Christianity is not all religions or philosophies. There are many religion that explicitly state that their rules are only for the followers of the religion. For example Judaism requires that a Jew must follow the laws given in the torah in order to be a good and holy person, but a gentile is held to a much lower standard. It is in fact possible for a gentile to be considered more 'good' then a Jew if the Jew isn't following the laws of the Torah.
So you can say that a christian group (note not all Christians but a group of Christians) is doing something but you can't say because of this that all religions or the religious are doing something.
Judaism doesn't impose it's will on non followers? One word. Palestine.
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LordofHats wrote:Unfortunately when the religious say/do something stupid its because religion made them stupid. When non religious people say/do something stupid, they're just stupid.
Double standard and all that.
Religion doesn't make people stupid. I'm religious. Some stupid people use religion in stupid and dangerous ways.
Obviously. I'm commenting on an attitude that I feel is present on some of the anti-religion discussion that treats being religious as if its something that makes someone stupid.
Criticizing your religion is not being anti religious. If you use your religion as a basis for something, like the earth being flat. Pointing out the earth isn't flat is not being anti-your-religion. Asking follow up questions about other fun things about the book you use to justify your belief, like talking snakes, donkeys, and bushes, is not bashing your religion. Surely if your holy book is some divinely inspired thing, then it should stand up to scrutiny right?
so its not so much a double standard, because the quotes normally go "I believe in something demonstrably wrong"
why?
"because the bible says it"
Now I'd say the idea of creationism is absurd and stupid and has no facts or data to support it, but that doesn't necessarily mean the person is stupid for believing it. That just means that person is just wrong about that topic, and if being wrong about one thing makes someone stupid, then everyone on earth is stupid. does being stupidly wrong about one thing invalidate anything else you may be right about?
For separation of church and state, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, It has been defined and set in stone by the supreme court decisions over the years. And it now means, the government will not promote one religion over the others. so keep your religious symbols off from public property. If you think your religion should be taught in public schools, and get it made into law, then keep in mind all religions will equally be able to be taught in schools. So sooner or later it will come to pass all the "under god" and "in god we trust" references will be removed.
youbedead wrote:First off, Christianity is not all religions or philosophies. There are many religion that explicitly state that their rules are only for the followers of the religion. For example Judaism requires that a Jew must follow the laws given in the torah in order to be a good and holy person, but a gentile is held to a much lower standard. It is in fact possible for a gentile to be considered more 'good' then a Jew if the Jew isn't following the laws of the Torah.
So you can say that a christian group (note not all Christians but a group of Christians) is doing something but you can't say because of this that all religions or the religious are doing something.
Jews don't impose their will on non followers? One word. Palestine.
Political will is religious morality now? Personally I think what Isreal is doing is fething sick and the US shouldn't be supporting them, but that is not a religion imposing its morality upon others thats a state treating a bunch a people like gak.
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"Balance, playtesting - a casual gamer craves not these things!" - Yoda, a casual gamer.
Three things matter in marksmanship -
location, location, location
MagickalMemories wrote:How about making another fist?
One can be, "Da Fist uv Mork" and the second can be, "Da Uvver Fist uv Mork."
Make a third, and it can be, "Da Uvver Uvver Fist uv Mork"
Eric
"Surrender and Die." 
stupid. We get anti-religion threads because idiots like them won't keep their mouths shut.
