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My old man always told me that services are a performance first and foremost. Maybe that's why I am the way I am? No matter, I'd go to that service just to listen.
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Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
The centre of a massive brood chamber, heaving and pulsating.
Looking at this thread makes me facepalm.
First of all, faith and reason don't go well together by definition. Faith is believing in something despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Secondly, whilst Atheism UK is rather keen that religion be removed from education, they're not suggesting we go and kill anyone over it, unlike most religious fundamentlists.
Thirdly, all this gak about how faith schools allow parents to bring up their children in their culture is, well, gak. What about the wishes of the children? What if little timmy doesn't want to be a Jew and wants to keep his foreskin? Should he be made to go to a Jewish school anyway?
Squigsquasher, resident ban magnet, White Knight, and general fethwit.
buddha wrote: I've decided that these GW is dead/dying threads that pop up every-week must be followers and cultists of nurgle perpetuating the need for decay. I therefore declare that that such threads are heresy and subject to exterminatus. So says the Inquisition!
Squigsquasher wrote:Looking at this thread makes me facepalm.
First of all, faith and reason don't go well together by definition. Faith is believing in something despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Secondly, whilst Atheism UK is rather keen that religion be removed from education, they're not suggesting we go and kill anyone over it, unlike most religious fundamentlists.
Thirdly, all this gak about how faith schools allow parents to bring up their children in their culture is, well, gak. What about the wishes of the children? What if little timmy doesn't want to be a Jew and wants to keep his foreskin? Should he be made to go to a Jewish school anyway?
A court ruling in part of Germany has actually gone on with the aim delaying the act of circumcision until the child can consent.
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Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
The centre of a massive brood chamber, heaving and pulsating.
Good.
Squigsquasher, resident ban magnet, White Knight, and general fethwit.
buddha wrote: I've decided that these GW is dead/dying threads that pop up every-week must be followers and cultists of nurgle perpetuating the need for decay. I therefore declare that that such threads are heresy and subject to exterminatus. So says the Inquisition!
Squigsquasher wrote:Looking at this thread makes me facepalm.
First of all, faith and reason don't go well together by definition. Faith is believing in something despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Secondly, whilst Atheism UK is rather keen that religion be removed from education, they're not suggesting we go and kill anyone over it, unlike most religious fundamentlists.
Thirdly, all this gak about how faith schools allow parents to bring up their children in their culture is, well, gak. What about the wishes of the children? What if little timmy doesn't want to be a Jew and wants to keep his foreskin? Should he be made to go to a Jewish school anyway?
Apparently Germany may be banning circumcision for non medical reasons (aka, "we want him circumcised just because we can" or "we want him circumcised because we're religious") until the person being circumcised is old enough to be able to choose for themselves if they want it. This is thirdhand info though.
The centre of a massive brood chamber, heaving and pulsating.
That kind of attitude really pisses me off. Suggesting someone's wishes aren't relevant just because they're below a certain age, especially with regards to things such as religion or circumcision is absurd. If a child doesn't want the end of their penis shorn off, it doesn't seem right to ignore them or tell them it has to happen because "god says so". Let the kids decide for themselves if they believe in god or not.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, I'm confused. I am saying it is good that children can't be circumcised without their permission for non medical purposes. How is that gak feth tons of pain? Or did you misunderstand?
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Squigsquasher, resident ban magnet, White Knight, and general fethwit.
buddha wrote: I've decided that these GW is dead/dying threads that pop up every-week must be followers and cultists of nurgle perpetuating the need for decay. I therefore declare that that such threads are heresy and subject to exterminatus. So says the Inquisition!
Squigsquasher wrote:That kind of attitude really pisses me off. Suggesting someone's wishes aren't relevant just because they're below a certain age, especially with regards to things such as religion or circumcision is absurd.
If it makes you feel better, I think the wishes of most people are irrelevant.
And no, it isn't absurd. Kids are dumb, it is a fact of being a kid. Would you consider a desire for 50 lbs of candy relevant if it came from a 5 year old?
Squigsquasher wrote:
If a child doesn't want the end of their penis shorn off...
Not what circumcision is.
Squigsquasher wrote:
...it doesn't seem right to ignore them or tell them it has to happen because "god says so". Let the kids decide for themselves if they believe in god or not.
Whether or not you have foreskin is far from life altering.
Squigsquasher wrote:
Also, I'm confused. I am saying it is good that children can't be circumcised without their permission for non medical purposes. How is that gak feth tons of pain? Or did you misunderstand?
Who would consent to a scalpel on their penis with the ability to recall it?
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
The centre of a massive brood chamber, heaving and pulsating.
Exactly. So maybe the frankly stupid practice of unnecessary circumcision (not counting medically required circumcision obviously) can come to an end. It can cause increased risk of some diseases (I don't know specifically which as I'm not an androcologist) and it also stops one from pleasuring oneself. Todays sexually repressed youths are tommorows rapists.
Plus, it fething hurts.
Squigsquasher, resident ban magnet, White Knight, and general fethwit.
buddha wrote: I've decided that these GW is dead/dying threads that pop up every-week must be followers and cultists of nurgle perpetuating the need for decay. I therefore declare that that such threads are heresy and subject to exterminatus. So says the Inquisition!
The centre of a massive brood chamber, heaving and pulsating.
Circumcision was actually recommended in either the 18th or 19th century to prevent masturbation.
So, either it doesn't work or you two are very clever.
Squigsquasher, resident ban magnet, White Knight, and general fethwit.
buddha wrote: I've decided that these GW is dead/dying threads that pop up every-week must be followers and cultists of nurgle perpetuating the need for decay. I therefore declare that that such threads are heresy and subject to exterminatus. So says the Inquisition!
Take it from someone who knows. it doesn't. As someone who had that operation comparatively late, I can tell you there's no problems in that regard. Also I would recommend it to everyone, if it wasn't so akward a subject. The ladies prefer it, you know, not being served a face full of cheese.
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Male circumcision is helpful, its aids cleanliness and has other health advantages. This is why the biblical law was introduced.
The younger someone is the easier it is to circumcise, the less complications there are and the less trauma it causes a there is no anticipation. Adult circumcision is very painful, which is why it is used as a rite of passage in some tribal societies.
Female cicumcision on the other hand is an abomination.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Male circumcision is helpful, its aids cleanliness and has other health advantages. This is why the biblical law was introduced.
The younger someone is the easier it is to circumcise, the less complications there are and the less trauma it causes a there is no anticipation. Adult circumcision is very painful, which is why it is used as a rite of passage in some tribal societies.
Female cicumcision on the other hand is an abomination.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Orlanth wrote:
Female cicumcision on the other hand is an abomination.
Indeed, the hippies invented the term because it sounds nicer, lets have it said.
Its not "female circumcision" it's fething genital mutilation, and the mother fethers that do it should be flogged in the streets.
They happen in England, yet another wonderful gift from Islam, the religion that just keeps on giving.
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
Thing is female circumcision goes against the RAW in the Koran.
You would have thought that ought to stop them.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Orlanth wrote:Male circumcision is helpful, its aids cleanliness and has other health advantages. This is why the biblical law was introduced.
If it is such a hinderance why is the foreskin there in the first place? It obviously plays some role or evolution would have gotten rid of it and you would have to be a complete minger to let cleanliness become a genuine issue, certainly to the extent that it is more serious than performing amateur surgery on an infant. The only benefit to curcumcison that I am aware of is that it cuts down on HIV transmission (the foreskin has cells with CD4 receptors) but given that HIV is under a century old I don't think that is really relevent.
It is genital mutilation, it is after all removing a part of the penis; it may not be as bad as female curcumcision but lets not mince words.
RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog
The Catholic Church condemned the observance of circumcision as a mortal sin and ordered against its practice in the Council of Basel-Florence in 1442.[33] According to UNAIDS, it stated that circumcision was unnecessary for Christians;[34] El-Hout and Khauli, however, regard it as condemnation of the procedure.
"In the 1890s, it became a popular technique to prevent, or cure, masturbatory insanity. In 1891 the president of the Royal College of Surgeons of England published On Circumcision as Preventive of Masturbation, and two years later another British doctor wrote Circumcision: Its Advantages and How to Perform It, which listed the reasons for removing the 'vestigial' prepuce. Evidently the foreskin could cause 'nocturnal incontinence,' hysteria, epilepsy, and irritation that might 'give rise to erotic stimulation and, consequently, masturbation.' Another physician, P.C. Remondino, added that 'circumcision is like a substantial and well-secured life annuity...it insures better health, greater capacity for labor, longer life, less nervousness, sickness, loss of time, and less doctor bills.' No wonder it became a popular remedy."
http://familydoctor.org/familydoctor/en/pregnancy-newborns/caring-for-newborns/infant-care/circumcision.html Are there any benefits from circumcision?
Studies about the benefits of circumcision have provided conflicting results. Some studies show certain benefits, while other studies do not. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) says the benefits of circumcision are not significant enough to recommend circumcision as a routine procedure and that circumcision is not medically necessary. The American Academy of Family Physicians believes parents should discuss with their son's doctor the potential benefits and the risks involved when making their decision.
Orlanth wrote:Male circumcision is helpful, its aids cleanliness and has other health advantages. This is why the biblical law was introduced.
If it is such a hinderance why is the foreskin there in the first place? It obviously plays some role or evolution would have gotten rid of it and you would have to be a complete minger to let cleanliness become a genuine issue, certainly to the extent that it is more serious than performing amateur surgery on an infant. The only benefit to curcumcison that I am aware of is that it cuts down on HIV transmission (the foreskin has cells with CD4 receptors) but given that HIV is under a century old I don't think that is really relevent.
It is genital mutilation, it is after all removing a part of the penis; it may not be as bad as female curcumcision but lets not mince words.
The development of foreskin in evolution has only theoretical basis in actual function. The most likely reason for it's development is the Mrs. chimps found it more attractive.
Orlanth wrote:
Female cicumcision on the other hand is an abomination.
genital mutilation-
yet another wonderful gift from religion, the gift that just keeps on giving.
ftfy
I gratefully accept your fixing in this instance, I dont save all of my ire for Islam as you are well aware..
What I never figured out was, if so many people think getting rid of the foreskin is a good idea, and they think God made us.. then why did God give us a foreskin?
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
Orlanth wrote:Male circumcision is helpful, its aids cleanliness and has other health advantages. This is why the biblical law was introduced.
If it is such a hinderance why is the foreskin there in the first place? It obviously plays some role or evolution would have gotten rid of it
Like evolution got rid of the appendix.
The appendix is a special case, it can't get any smaller without significantly increasing the risk of appendicitis so we are basically stuck with it. It is also not totally useless as it helps prime the immune system during childhood.
RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog
Orlanth wrote:
Female cicumcision on the other hand is an abomination.
genital mutilation-
yet another wonderful gift from religion, the gift that just keeps on giving.
ftfy
I gratefully accept your fixing in this instance, I dont save all of my ire for Islam as you are well aware..
What I never figured out was, if so many people think getting rid of the foreskin is a good idea, and they think God made us.. then why did God give us a foreskin?
That's a pretty good one, I shall file it with "If God made Eve out of Adam, why do men have nipples?"
Orlanth wrote:
Female cicumcision on the other hand is an abomination.
genital mutilation-
yet another wonderful gift from religion, the gift that just keeps on giving.
ftfy
I gratefully accept your fixing in this instance, I dont save all of my ire for Islam as you are well aware..
What I never figured out was, if so many people think getting rid of the foreskin is a good idea, and they think God made us.. then why did God give us a foreskin?
Well God as he exists in jewish literature is a total douche who does everything to inconvenience the human race he can. So it makes complete sense.
Orlanth wrote:Male circumcision is helpful, its aids cleanliness and has other health advantages. This is why the biblical law was introduced.
If it is such a hinderance why is the foreskin there in the first place? It obviously plays some role or evolution would have gotten rid of it and you would have to be a complete minger to let cleanliness become a genuine issue, certainly to the extent that it is more serious than performing amateur surgery on an infant. The only benefit to curcumcison that I am aware of is that it cuts down on HIV transmission (the foreskin has cells with CD4 receptors) but given that HIV is under a century old I don't think that is really relevent.
It is genital mutilation, it is after all removing a part of the penis; it may not be as bad as female curcumcision but lets not mince words.
The development of foreskin in evolution has only theoretical basis in actual function. The most likely reason for it's development is the Mrs. chimps found it more attractive.
The fact that it is there strongly suggests that it has a function, the most obvious reason would be to physically protect the glans.
RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog
Orlanth wrote:Male circumcision is helpful, its aids cleanliness and has other health advantages. This is why the biblical law was introduced.
If it is such a hinderance why is the foreskin there in the first place? It obviously plays some role or evolution would have gotten rid of it and you would have to be a complete minger to let cleanliness become a genuine issue, certainly to the extent that it is more serious than performing amateur surgery on an infant. The only benefit to curcumcison that I am aware of is that it cuts down on HIV transmission (the foreskin has cells with CD4 receptors) but given that HIV is under a century old I don't think that is really relevent.
It is genital mutilation, it is after all removing a part of the penis; it may not be as bad as female curcumcision but lets not mince words.
The development of foreskin in evolution has only theoretical basis in actual function. The most likely reason for it's development is the Mrs. chimps found it more attractive.
The fact that it is there strongly suggests that it has a function, the most obvious reason would be to physically protect the glans.
Like I said. There is no evidence that that is true. And aesthetic appearance plays a huge role in evolution.
