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Ok, people.

It seems that CB is finally revealing a glimpse of the NEW stuff.

I hope thay release their stats soon, but I couldn't resist to just speculate a little bit.



Riot Grrls Spitfire Pistol, Knife
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:12 PH:11 WIP:13 ARM:3 BTS:-6 W:2
Regular, Not Impetuous, Cube
X Visor

I think that the visor that the GRRL has over her head is a X-Visor so her Spitfire is like an HMG... and I guess she can make Fireteams.



Cadmush Naish Sheeskiin Plasma Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW (82)
MOV:6-4 CC:20 BS:15 PH:16 WIP:15 ARM:6 BTS:-6 W:3
Regular, Frenzy, Cube
Martial Arts L4, ODD: Optical Disruptor, Multiterrain, Nanoscreen

Achilles Stats but using Nanoscreen and the chance of making fireteams. This is PURE speculation, wouldn't this be awesome?

Finally, the Heavy Rocket launcher.


I think that this would have the same range of the Spitfire, with B1 and FIRE ammo.

They'll all be in the new expansion book coming... soon.

I hope!

If they follow the normal patten, then the rules will go up online about the time the model is in stores.

BobbaFett wrote:Riot Grrls Spitfire Pistol, Knife
MOV:4-2 CC:14 BS:12 PH:11 WIP:13 ARM:3 BTS:-6 W:2

PH 11 would seem very low for power armoured HI. Off the top of my head, I can only think of three HI with less than PH 13 - Karakuri, Iguana operator and Margot, and all of those have reasons (Halfway to being a remote, very light power armour and no power armour).

As such, I'd guess 13, in common with other "light" heavy infantry.

Cadmush Naish Sheeskiin Spitfire / Pistol, DA CCW
MOV:6-4 CC:20 BS:15 PH:16 WIP:14 ARM:3 BTS:-3 W:2
Regular, Protheion, Cube, Shavastii
Natural Warrior, Nanoscreen

--I removed the majority of equipment as Shasvastii has yet to have ODD and that is not something the scan picks up.
Matched MOV, CC, BS, and PH with Achilles, upped the ARM, WIP, and BTS of the basic Cadmus to show she's better than the normal ones.
I tossed in Natural Warrior, but that could easily be replaced with MA, Natural Warrior made sense if she was able to get that close to Achilles.


Riot Grrls Spitfire Pistol, Knife
MOV:4-2 CC:15 BS:12 PH:14 WIP:13 ARM:3 BTS:-3 STR:1
No Wound Incapacitation, Hyper-Dynamics L1, Total Immunity

--Borrowed ideas from the Chimera, tossed in Hyper-Dynamics which I would assume in Riot situations would make sense and tossed in NWI, STR, and Total Immunity as it appears she's more artificial than flesh.


As for the Heavy Rocket Launcher, it's "Heavy" which implies the possibility of a "normal" or "light" version.
I'd like to see something with a slightly worse range than a missile launcher, but the following stats.

DAM 14 - Fire / Small Template
Burst 1

Basically function like the shotgun, if you hit you place the small template and see if anyone else behind is hit.

For the Riot Grrl I'm thinking that's light armor and would give her move of 4-4 ARM 3. I can't think of anything else at the moment.

I thought it was confirmed that the Riot Grrl was HI. Plus, she really looks similar in many ways to the Posthuman Mk3, so I expect stats similar to that.

Nice!

Can any of the Spanish-speakers here tell us if the spanish CB forums have any recent rumors about the new book, perhaps prompted by the release of these figs?

It's on their site now!

Riot Grrl looks like a "skinned" posthuman - who decided to put the FMBs* back on.

Looks pretty fail - but it's a nomad model so par for the course there.


*google it.

On that note, I do find it weird that a feminist regiment use that armour.

Surely, if anything, this should have been an excuse to design more practical female armour, not something that has nipples and thigh-high boots.

chromedog wrote:Riot Grrl looks like a "skinned" posthuman - who decided to put the FMBs* back on.

Looks pretty fail - but it's a nomad model so par for the course there.


*google it.

Without looking: Full metal bra?

F*** Me Boots.

Long boots that are at least knee-high and often to mid-thigh.

Like the boots Juila Robert's Hooker wore in "Pretty Woman".

Tank Girl was dang sexy so I don't see the problem. Would it be better if she looked like a guy?

No, it wouldn't be better if she looked like a guy, but it's not an either-or. Form and function are not mutually exclusive.
It's entirely possible to have something recognisably feminine without it being impractical, exaggerated or sexualised. In fact, I've long held to the mantra that if you rely on such things to determine a character/model's gender, you're doing it wrong.

I've seen enough armour designs which are both feminine and practical. I've even cooked up a few myself over time (but how effective these attempts may have been is somewhat questionable), most of the them based on the principle of "would I, if I were a woman, be willing to wear this?" - a question that quickly adds practicality and modesty.

I'm just disappointed to see CB wasting that potential. I don't dislike the model (beyond the G-cup nipple armour, which would get remodelled if I bought one) but it's not even close to evoking the idea of a hardcore feminist in my mind.

MarcoSkoll wrote:On that note, I do find it weird that a feminist regiment use that armour.

Surely, if anything, this should have been an excuse to design more practical female armour, not something that has nipples and thigh-high boots.

Have a look at the real-world Riot Grrl movement that inspired the unit, it's very much about in-your-face punk feminism. Nipples and thigh-boots fits right in.

Feminism doesn't mean looking like a man. And punk isn't necessarily about looks either, it's about attitude.

I understand un-sexualized things but this is a game with a bit of comic book cheesecake. If you wanted realism you wouldn't be able to tell male from female.

Now as far as rules go. By the background It seems like they might be Irregular. Not something that is a part of the normal military at all. Unless they could be regular in a Bakunin sectoral.

CDK wrote:I understand un-sexualized things but this is a game with a bit of comic book cheesecake. If you wanted realism you wouldn't be able to tell male from female.

The "realism in military kit = gender ambiguous" thing isn't as true as people like to think.
Yes, it is possible to find pictures where it's hard to tell, but don't waste your time trying to do that - I can find counter examples. It's possible for women to be either androgynous or feminine in military kit, so it's perfectly reasonable to have something both realistic and identifiably female.

However, you're still presenting a false dichotomy. There's plenty of mid ground between realistic and "Er, really? She'd go into combat wearing that?", it's not an either-or.

Maybe in Military dress uniform. Sure you can tell no problem, but in combat gear they look the same. It's done on purpose too.

I come from a comic book background so women wearing unrealistic fighting gear is the norm! What can I say? I like seeing women in hot outfits kicking ass.

May have to get one of the new Nomad units

Wait...this is Bakunin, aren't nipples standard issue?

valthonis wrote:Wait...this is Bakunin, aren't nipples standard issue?

Depends which flesh shop you go to.

CDK wrote:In combat gear they look the same. It's done on purpose too.

That's only partially true. They do try to disguise women, but a five inch average difference in height and that women's shoulders are about 20-25% narrower (as well as proportionally lower and flatter) often gives that game away, even if the breasts and waist are hidden.
In any case, it's perfectly possible for women in combat gear to still be identifiably female. A lot of it will have been posed for the cameras, but some artistic licence is not inappropriate in this circumstance. I'd advocating taking it as far was plausible practicality would allow, as models are of course supposed to offer somewhat idealised and clear representations - but that doesn't mean that anything goes.

What can I say? I like seeing women in hot outfits kicking ass.

I quite agree on the appeal of - and as you've posted Wonder Woman, I shall use this adjective - Amazonian women. A tough, capable warrior woman shows a strength of will and personality. Far more attractive than a girl who'll break down the moment things go wrong.

However, I also used the word Amazonian rather deliberately. Amazonian is basically the adjective for badass women warriors. And, from there, the word Amazon almost certainly brings with it the myth of the mastectomies.
It's almost certainly untrue, but if that's how practical people are willing to buy that they were, that they would mutilate themselves to avoid any disadvantage in combat, I cannot buy that women who make use of the least practical outfits in existence qualify.

Amazonian women are appealing. But women who've deliberately waltzed into a fight wearing a strapless swimsuit are not Amazonian, they're moronic. And I don't find idiocy an aphrodisiac.

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In any case, I'll put "Power armoured punk feminist" on my "to draw" list, and as and when if I find the time, I'll see what I come up with. It won't be like that though.

The game is meant to have a ANIME feel to it. That was CB plan from the start, do you really expect some thing different.

Mostly the game's anime influences are very well done, avoiding excess - something that someone who's not a fan of anime (like myself) could tolerate and get into. That always seemed a smart move to me, playing a middle ground that both sides could buy into.

So, in short, yes. I did expect something different.

I wouldn't mind having my expectations dashed as much as I do, if it actually appeared to have reason behind it (beyond "Bakunin is weird, design something deviant") or it did something clever. But the whole model feels like a non-sequitur, not doing anything to make it feel like the little person its supposed to be. I'm sure I could redeem it for other purposes with a hefty resculpt of the front of the torso and pelvis (and may even do so, as parts of the model are fantastic), but as is, I'm just not getting the vibes of either punk or feminism.

MarcoSkoll wrote:Mostly the game's anime influences are very well done, avoiding excess - something that someone who's not a fan of anime (like myself) could tolerate and get into. That always seemed a smart move to me, playing a middle ground that both sides could buy into.

So, in short, yes. I did expect something different.

Bear in mind thought that at present CB are catering to both sides of fans - those who want the strongly anime-influenced stuff, those who just want the hard-looking sci-fi, as well as the probably much larger group of fans who don't really care much as long as it looks good.

With the name 'Riot Grrls' several people on here were posting about 'Dominion Tank Police' and the like, it was no surprise for me at all that the model has some kind of anime influence.

And while models such as the 'Cat-doctor' remain as one of the regular top-5 sellers (apparently) then you can expect CB to occasionally release models like it - it's important to recognise that your own opinions of what your own conceptions of what the Infinity Universe should be might not necessarily be the same as other people's.

MarcoSkoll wrote:but as is, I'm just not getting the vibes of either punk or feminism.

Again, go look at the real-world movement that inspired the unit.

Pacific wrote: those who just want the hard-looking sci-fi

This is the group I'm in.

I'm aware of some of the anime influences, but by and large, the only anime I've watched has been related to the genre I prefer (the cyberpunk/near future distopia thing. Not furrys/anthros/abominations or giantRoboporn). I can live without any more of that stuff.

So not cat-girls or other animal-people for me, or half skinned cyborg feminazi chicks. Chicks in armour with big guns = fine, though. Guys in armour with big guns also fine.

Well each to their own I say. For me I love it both for the sexyness and the kick butt look. Luckily there there is enough variety in Infinity for everyone I think.

So I'm putting here the Cadmus and Achilless to see what Sheshkiin might be like. I've started off like any other Cadmus but added her weapons and we think she will have a Nanoscreen. I doubt she will have ARM better than a normal Cadmus but I'm not sure of Wounds.

CADMUS-SOLDIER Combi Rifle / Assault Pistol, CCW (23)
MOV:- CC:- BS:- PH:11 WIP:- ARM:2 BTS:-3 W:1

AD: Combat Jump, Seed-Embryo

ACHILLES MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, EXP CCW (82)
MOV:6-4 CC:20 BS:15 PH:16 WIP:15 ARM:6 BTS:-6 W:3
Regular, Frenzy, Cube
Martial Arts L4, ODD: Optical Disruptor, Multiterrain


Agent Cadmus-Naish Sheskiin Nanopulsar / DA CCW (???)
MOV:6-4 CC:20 BS:15 PH:16 WIP:15 ARM:2 BTS:-3 W:1

AD: Combat Jump, Seed-Embryo, Nanoscreen

IJW wrote:Again, go look at the real-world movement that inspired the unit.

I may be (relatively) young, but I am not (that) ignorant.

While you think it fits, I doubt it's likely people would look at that model in a vacuum - i.e. not knowing its name or any of the background associated with it - and work out that it was supposed to be a punk feminist.
I'd test out that theory, but as weird as my friends know I am, going around showing them pictures of nipple armour asking "What do you think this is supposed to represent?" might be a bit much.