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2012/07/12 09:21:21
Subject: The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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What do you think of this theory: the Emperor is dead. He died during the Horus Heresy. His body, the body of the most powerful psyker in existence, was bound to the Golden Throne to serve as a control system of sorts to allow its mechanisms to focus the Astronomican, soul-bind Astropaths, and keep the warp portal behind the throne room shut, but the person he was, the Emperor per se is dead and gone. The God-Emperor on the other hand, is the warp god born out of the Imperium's collective belief (very ironic considering the Imperium's original goal was to stop people from doing this) in a divine being watching over them. This entity is what empowers Imperial Saints, miracles, and so forth. It probably existed as far back as the Great Crusade, and its growing power might have prompted the Emperor to order the destruction of Monarchia not just as an example to the Word Bearers and the followers of the Lectitio Divinitatus, but also because it stood against everything he stood for, and eventually might would have compromised his power. An example of this is how Amandera Kerrel banished a daemon by her faith in the God-Emperor, but the Emperor is a psyker, not a warp entity, and its not possible to invoke the aid of another mortal being. Now, as the Emperor still 'lives' it has yet to fully awaken, but the moment the Golden Throne fails and the Emperor's body finally dies, the God-Emperor will fully awake.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/12 09:25:35
Subject: Re:The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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Very interesting theory, and one I think would actually work knowing the current fluff that we have. 
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LoneLictor on thread about an ork choking the Emperor:
 LoneLictor wrote:I like to imagine the Emperor kills so many Orks that he ends up half buried beneath a pile of corpses, with only his head sticking out. A lone grot stumbles across him, and starts choking him.
Then Horus comes across the lone grot, somehow managing to kill the Emperor, and punts it into space.
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2012/07/12 09:46:40
Subject: The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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I like this idea.
Would explain it all so much easier! haha
The residual power from the emperor powers the throne, while the God-emperor looks after humanity and protects it from demons etc. 
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tremere47 wrote:fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to triple riptide spam
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2012/07/12 09:51:19
Subject: The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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I'm pretty sure this is fairly similiar to the Star Child theory.
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Veteran Sergeant wrote:In the grim darkness of the far future, the guy with a rifle is the weakest man on the battlefield, left to quake in terror, hoping the two or three shots he gets do the job before somebody runs screaming across the battlefield to hit him with an energized stick.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/440996.page
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2012/07/12 10:01:07
Subject: The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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JohnnoM wrote:I'm pretty sure this is fairly similiar to the Star Child theory.
Pretty much but here the Emperor is split in two from what I can make out.
The nearly dead dude on the Throne and most of his essence in the Warp.
Rather than just having the nearly dead dude on the throne with his essence in the warp
Edit: Bawkses, BAWKSES
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2012/07/12 10:24:33
Subject: The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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Pilau Rice wrote:JohnnoM wrote:I'm pretty sure this is fairly similiar to the Star Child theory.
Pretty much but here the Emperor is split in two from what I can make out.
The nearly dead dude on the Throne and most of his essence in the Warp.
Rather than just having the nearly dead dude on the throne with his essence in the warp
Edit: Bawkses, BAWKSES
No, I said the Emperor is dead. His body just keeps the Throne functioning as it keeps the body alive - barely. The man himself is dead and gone though. I even theorized Monarchia was an initial attempt to 'kill' the belief that was starting to create the God-Emperor. The God-Emperor is something else. A warp entity similar to the Eldar and Ork Gods, and even the Powers of Chaos.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/12 10:42:23
Subject: Re:The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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I have been for a while of the opinion that Living Saints and unexplained events/people like the Sanguinor are literally daemon princes/princesses, or greater daemons of the God Emperor. Because when you look at a living saint, they don't become such until several great deeds, or a long period of service, just like only the greatest followers of chaos become daemon princes, while whatever the hell the Sanguinor is seems a lot like a Greater Daemon, appearing, hacking the enemy apart, and leaving, with no known origin (while there are theories one can't just claim that "X" is the Sanguinor reborn and be confirmed as true).
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2012/07/12 10:44:19
Subject: Re:The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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Buttons wrote:I have been for a while of the opinion that Living Saints and unexplained events/people like the Sanguinor are literally daemon princes/princesses, or greater daemons of the God Emperor. Because when you look at a living saint, they don't become such until several great deeds, or a long period of service, just like only the greatest followers of chaos become daemon princes, while whatever the hell the Sanguinor is seems a lot like a Greater Daemon, appearing, hacking the enemy apart, and leaving, with no known origin (while there are theories one can't just claim that "X" is the Sanguinor reborn and be confirmed as true).
That makes sense.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/12 11:18:27
Subject: The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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Tadashi wrote:
No, I said the Emperor is dead. His body just keeps the Throne functioning as it keeps the body alive - barely. The man himself is dead and gone though. I even theorized Monarchia was an initial attempt to 'kill' the belief that was starting to create the God-Emperor. The God-Emperor is something else. A warp entity similar to the Eldar and Ork Gods, and even the Powers of Chaos.
Something that is barely alive is still alive.
If the Emperor knew what was happening, and his eventual ascension to God Emperor, why blow up Monarchia, why even chastise Lorgar?
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2012/07/12 11:37:56
Subject: The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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Pilau Rice wrote:
If the Emperor knew what was happening, and his eventual ascension to God Emperor, why blow up Monarchia, why even chastise Lorgar?
As a warning to stop making people believe and creating an alter-ego of himself. And let me clarify: the God-Emperor and the Emperor are not the same person. The former is a warp god based on the Imperial Cult's beliefs. The latter was the mightiest psyker in existence, but still a man for all that.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/12 11:44:42
Subject: The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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Tadashi wrote:Pilau Rice wrote:
If the Emperor knew what was happening, and his eventual ascension to God Emperor, why blow up Monarchia, why even chastise Lorgar?
As a warning to stop making people believe and creating an alter-ego of himself. And let me clarify: the God-Emperor and the Emperor are not the same person. The former is a warp god based on the Imperial Cult's beliefs. The latter was the mightiest psyker in existence, but still a man for all that.
So everyone in the Imperium is now worshiping someone else, even though they are still directing their praise to the guy on the Golden Throne?
Maybe we have three dudes? The Imperial Cult guy, the nearly dead guy and the guy who is worshiped as the God Emperor.
Edit: My bad, I thought you were referring to the Imperial Truth.
My opinion is that they are the same person for sure, the Lectitio Divinitatus was in direct admiration of the Emperor when he was still walking around. Whether the Emperor liked it or not, he was still believed to be a god by many of his followers.
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2012/07/12 11:45:10
Subject: Re:The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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It seems like a good enough theory to me, although given that no-one has masses of evidence for or against it, I doubt we shall ever know. In fact, I doubt even GW know yet.
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2012/07/12 12:01:46
Subject: The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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Pilau Rice wrote:Tadashi wrote:Pilau Rice wrote:
If the Emperor knew what was happening, and his eventual ascension to God Emperor, why blow up Monarchia, why even chastise Lorgar?
As a warning to stop making people believe and creating an alter-ego of himself. And let me clarify: the God-Emperor and the Emperor are not the same person. The former is a warp god based on the Imperial Cult's beliefs. The latter was the mightiest psyker in existence, but still a man for all that.
So everyone in the Imperium is now worshiping someone else, even though they are still directing their praise to the guy on the Golden Throne?
Maybe we have three dudes? The Imperial Cult guy, the nearly dead guy and the guy who is worshiped as the God Emperor.
Edit: My bad, I thought you were referring to the Imperial Truth.
1) Belief in the Imperial Truth will not create a 'god'.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/460401.page
2) The Emperor was a psyker, and would not have been empowered by belief.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/12 12:03:43
Subject: The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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So what about the Emperor's warp presence? What's going on with that, is it gone, is it tied to the man on the throne, what?
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2012/07/12 12:07:35
Subject: The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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htj wrote:So what about the Emperor's warp presence? What's going on with that, is it gone, is it tied to the man on the throne, what?
By my theory, its gone. The God-Emperor protects Human souls, but cannot fully manifest until the Throne fails and the Emperor's body dies.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/12 12:09:32
Subject: The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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Tadashi wrote:Pilau Rice wrote:Tadashi wrote:Pilau Rice wrote:
If the Emperor knew what was happening, and his eventual ascension to God Emperor, why blow up Monarchia, why even chastise Lorgar?
As a warning to stop making people believe and creating an alter-ego of himself. And let me clarify: the God-Emperor and the Emperor are not the same person. The former is a warp god based on the Imperial Cult's beliefs. The latter was the mightiest psyker in existence, but still a man for all that.
So everyone in the Imperium is now worshiping someone else, even though they are still directing their praise to the guy on the Golden Throne?
Maybe we have three dudes? The Imperial Cult guy, the nearly dead guy and the guy who is worshiped as the God Emperor.
Edit: My bad, I thought you were referring to the Imperial Truth.
1) Belief in the Imperial Truth will not create a 'god'.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/460401.page
2) The Emperor was a psyker, and would not have been empowered by belief.
1. Hence my edit and this
My opinion is that they are the same person for sure, the Lectitio Divinitatus was in direct admiration of the Emperor when he was still walking around. Whether the Emperor liked it or not, he was still believed to be a god by many of his followers
2. Why not? He's not your average psyker. He's the reincarnation of a Thousand Pyskers who sacrificed themselves to bring about his being. Also, every human has a presence in the warp but none are worshiped like the Emperor.
Tadashi wrote:htj wrote:So what about the Emperor's warp presence? What's going on with that, is it gone, is it tied to the man on the throne, what?
By my theory, its gone. The God-Emperor protects Human souls, but cannot fully manifest until the Throne fails and the Emperor's body dies.
But why does it need the body to die? The two are separate entities from what I can gather from what you are saying.
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2012/07/12 12:10:59
Subject: The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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Tadashi wrote:htj wrote:So what about the Emperor's warp presence? What's going on with that, is it gone, is it tied to the man on the throne, what?
By my theory, its gone. The God-Emperor protects Human souls, but cannot fully manifest until the Throne fails and the Emperor's body dies.
But even an average Eldar could maintain sentience in the warp after death (before Slaanesh). Why would a psyker as powerful as the Emperor just fade away?
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2012/07/12 12:42:25
Subject: Re:The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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I get where Tadashi is going. Pretty much it is like this...
1. The Emperor is an extremely powerful psyker, but is still fully human, he is not a God, he is strong enough to guide the astronomician, but still is only human.
2. The God Emperor is purely a warp entity (think of him/it like a minor chaos god (of law, order, and humanity)) that exists in a similar vain to the big four through direct worship (praying and whatnot) and indirect worship (doing what the Adeptus Ministorum believes the Emperor stands for like killing heretics and xenos).
3. The two are only related because humans automatically combine the latter with the former, besides that they have no real relation.
Am I on the right track?
Now, this is my addition to the theory
4. The God (emphasis on God instead of the regular emperor) Emperor is sentient like the big 4 and is responsible for miracles, living saints (daemon princes of the God Emperor), visions of him (just like chaos talking to people or giving them visions), whatever the hell the Sanguinor is (I imagine he is the equivalent of a greater daemon), and potentially stuff like the Legion of the Damned (lesser daemons perhaps).
5. The appearance of the only known (at least in this theory we will assume he is) greater daemon (Sanguinor) of the God Emperor is based off of what the Imperium would imagine such a savior would look like, which is one of, if not the most revered primarchs in the Imperium, Sanguinius. While what could potentially be called his lesser daemons (Legion of the Damned) appear as adeptus astartes because humanity reveres them.
So yeah, there are two emperors, one is a powerful psyker, the other is the Chaos God of law, order, and humanity. The daemon princ(esse)es of the God Emperor are living saints, his only known greater daemon is the Sanguinor, and his lesser daemons are the members of the Legion of the Damned.
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2012/07/12 12:47:07
Subject: The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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So the Emperor on the Golden Throne fights the God Emperor to protect humanity, because it is a Chaos God?
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2012/07/12 12:54:19
Subject: The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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Pilau Rice wrote:So the Emperor on the Golden Throne fights the God Emperor to protect humanity, because it is a Chaos God?
Emperor on the Golden Throne is a lighthouse, not much else. You ever look at him? He is a bloody mess, it is amazing he can even do that. In all seriousness, I imagine he would oppose the God Emperor simply because it is still a chaos god. Then again he might support the God Emperor since it is purely a human god that still exemplifies many of the things he supported like humanity's manifest destiny. Also if my extreme theories regarding daemons is correct the God Emperor might be what humanity needs more than anything to survive, since daemons are a powerful force even in the material universe.
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2012/07/12 13:00:48
Subject: The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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Pilau Rice wrote:
2. Why not? He's not your average psyker. He's the reincarnation of a Thousand Pyskers who sacrificed themselves to bring about his being. Also, every human has a presence in the warp but none are worshiped like the Emperor.
Pyskers? Seriously? Buttons wrote:I get where Tadashi is going. Pretty much it is like this...
1. The Emperor is an extremely powerful psyker, but is still fully human, he is not a God, he is strong enough to guide the astronomician, but still is only human.
2. The God Emperor is purely a warp entity (think of him/it like a minor chaos god (of law, order, and humanity)) that exists in a similar vain to the big four through direct worship (praying and whatnot) and indirect worship (doing what the Adeptus Ministorum believes the Emperor stands for like killing heretics and xenos).
3. The two are only related because humans automatically combine the latter with the former, besides that they have no real relation.
Am I on the right track?
Now, this is my addition to the theory
4. The God (emphasis on God instead of the regular emperor) Emperor is sentient like the big 4 and is responsible for miracles, living saints (daemon princes of the God Emperor), visions of him (just like chaos talking to people or giving them visions), whatever the hell the Sanguinor is (I imagine he is the equivalent of a greater daemon), and potentially stuff like the Legion of the Damned (lesser daemons perhaps).
5. The appearance of the only known (at least in this theory we will assume he is) greater daemon (Sanguinor) of the God Emperor is based off of what the Imperium would imagine such a savior would look like, which is one of, if not the most revered primarchs in the Imperium, Sanguinius. While what could potentially be called his lesser daemons (Legion of the Damned) appear as adeptus astartes because humanity reveres them.
So yeah, there are two emperors, one is a powerful psyker, the other is the Chaos God of law, order, and humanity. The daemon princ(esse)es of the God Emperor are living saints, his only known greater daemon is the Sanguinor, and his lesser daemons are the members of the Legion of the Damned.
Thank You for understanding! As to why the God-Emperor cannot manifest directly until the Emperor's body dies, its because people believe he's the guy on the Golden Throne when he's not. In a sense, the belief that the Emperor will be reborn when the Golden Throne finally fails is correct - only its an alter-ego of sorts that will appear.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/12 13:03:31
Subject: The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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Buttons wrote:Pilau Rice wrote:So the Emperor on the Golden Throne fights the God Emperor to protect humanity, because it is a Chaos God?
Emperor on the Golden Throne is a lighthouse, not much else. You ever look at him? He is a bloody mess, it is amazing he can even do that. In all seriousness, I imagine he would oppose the God Emperor simply because it is still a chaos god. Then again he might support the God Emperor since it is purely a human god that still exemplifies many of the things he supported like humanity's manifest destiny. Also if my extreme theories regarding daemons is correct the God Emperor might be what humanity needs more than anything to survive, since daemons are a powerful force even in the material universe.
His physical body might be decayed and broken but his soul, his presence in the warp, is what is protecting mankind. This notion that there are 2 Emperors seems rather off to me.The God Emperor is the same as the Emperor, true the Emperor did not want to be worshiped as a God, but the masses did anyway. He might only be a psyker, but he is that much of a psyker that if anyone can remain conscious through near death and keep protecting mankind, it would be the Emperor.
Tadashi wrote:
Pyskers? Seriously?!
The Shamans were Psychic, were they not?
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2012/07/12 13:04:49
Subject: Re:The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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Adolescent Youth with Potential
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Maybe the emperor (man on the throne) was more along the lines of a greater daemon of the God-Emperor.. obviously he was a majorly powerful psycher in his own right, but gained more from his god, in a similar vein to the chaos primachs being mightily powerful beings but ascension to daemonhood made them that one step better..
Could explain why he didnt want the worshipping of the imperium directed at him, as he himself wasnt a god..
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2012/07/12 13:11:11
Subject: Re:The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Prince of Abyssus wrote:Maybe the emperor (man on the throne) was more along the lines of a greater daemon of the God-Emperor.. obviously he was a majorly powerful psycher in his own right, but gained more from his god, in a similar vein to the chaos primachs being mightily powerful beings but ascension to daemonhood made them that one step better..
Could explain why he didnt want the worshipping of the imperium directed at him, as he himself wasnt a god..
The problem with that is that the Emperor (psychic human) is older than the God Emperor (humanity's chaos god), meaning the former couldn't have been created by the latter. Also, while the emperor (once again, human psyker, not God) is an extremely powerful psyker I don't think worship can directly effect him, since he is still technically a mortal (he isn't a chaos God or greater daemon), and I doubt he has the sheer power to turn regular humans into beings on par with greater daemons relying purely on psychic power (eg. he cannot create a living saint just on his psychic powers). From now on the God Emperor is "Big E" and the psychic human emperor is "Little E." Also, bow before Buttons, the God of parentheses.
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2012/07/12 13:13:15
Subject: The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Pilau Rice wrote: Tadashi wrote:
Pyskers? Seriously?!
The Shamans were Psychic, were they not?
Spelling man, spelling. Prince of Abyssus wrote:Maybe the emperor (man on the throne) was more along the lines of a greater daemon of the God-Emperor.. obviously he was a majorly powerful psycher in his own right, but gained more from his god, in a similar vein to the chaos primachs being mightily powerful beings but ascension to daemonhood made them that one step better..
Could explain why he didnt want the worshipping of the imperium directed at him, as he himself wasnt a god..
People only started believing in the God-Emperor after Lorgar wrote Lectitio Divinitatus. The Emperor was around for over 30,000 years before the Great Crusade. Impossible for the God-Emperor to have existed before the Great Crusade.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/12 13:16:41
Subject: Re:The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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Lethal Lhamean
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So according to this theory, the shield of faith works through the SoB giving the God Emperor more power, which he then gives back to them by saving them? Fair enough.
Also, I don't think we should consider the legion of the damned to be lesser daemons as such, because it seems they're more powerful but less neumerous than those of the other gods. Instead, I reckon they'd be more like medium-power daemons if you understand what I mean, like flamers of tzeench, or less powerful than a blood crusher.
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2012/07/12 13:17:52
Subject: The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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The Hammer of Witches
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Tadashi wrote:Pilau Rice wrote:
Tadashi wrote:
Pyskers? Seriously?!
The Shamans were Psychic, were they not?
Spelling man, spelling.
Whu'? Psyker is the 40K term for a user of psychic powers.
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DC:80SG+M+B+I+Pw40k97#+D+A++/wWD190R++T(S)DM+
htj wrote:You can always trust a man who quotes himself in his signature.
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2012/07/12 13:24:03
Subject: The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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htj wrote:Tadashi wrote:Pilau Rice wrote:
Tadashi wrote:
Pyskers? Seriously?!
The Shamans were Psychic, were they not?
Spelling man, spelling.
Whu'? Psyker is the 40K term for a user of psychic powers.
Mr. Rice posted pyskers. PYSKERS.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/07/12 13:28:16
Subject: The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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The Hammer of Witches
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Oh right. Seems kind of like an over-reaction on your part then. 
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htj wrote:You can always trust a man who quotes himself in his signature.
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2012/07/12 13:29:14
Subject: Re:The Emperor and the God-Emperor
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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p_gray99 wrote:So according to this theory, the shield of faith works through the SoB giving the God Emperor more power, which he then gives back to them by saving them? Fair enough.
Also, I don't think we should consider the legion of the damned to be lesser daemons as such, because it seems they're more powerful but less neumerous than those of the other gods. Instead, I reckon they'd be more like medium-power daemons if you understand what I mean, like flamers of tzeench, or less powerful than a blood crusher.
Perhaps, or perhaps they are simply more powerful but less numerous because that is how humanity imagines their saviors (that appear as adeptus astartes) they are always outnumbered, but they win simply because they are the greatest humanity has. Of course I don't mind the medium power daemon theory although I would like to know any ideas on what the lesser daemons are then.
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