Look Out Sir vs Perils of the warp?

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**Spellbound**

So my sorcerer rolls box cars and suffers perils of the warp.

He is allocated a wound, which cannot be saved against.

Look out Sir is not a save, and is rolled whenever a wound or unsaved wound is allocated to the character.

Discuss?

On a side note, feel no pain is specifically addressed as not being a save - thus, you also get feel no pain vs. perils of the warp checks, no?

So a sorcerer in a squad of plaguemarines could roll look out sir, allocate the wound to a plaguemarine, who then gets a feel no pain save?

**Ascalam**

No FNP- can't be taken against something that allows no saves.

Not sure on the LOS issue. Seems dubious to me though, as how exactly is a random trooper going to throw himself in the way of the Perils?

**Spellbound**

Where does it say you can't fnp something that allows no saves? I was under the impression it worked against things like plasma, even on regular marines, so long as it doesn't cause instant death.

**Spetulhu**

Spellbound has read the new rulebook for sure - FNP was changed from 5th to 6th. Now only wounds that cause Instant Death make it useless.

I too find the Look out Sir a bit dubious for Perils but will have to consult my rulebook before saying yes or no.

**Thanatos_elNyx**

Perils makes you suffer a wound but that wound is never allocated so LOS isn't triggered.

**coredump**

No, LOS triggers on allocating a wound. There is no allocation step for Perils, so no LOS.

**Spellbound**

Nvm, it does not say allocate, says suffers....so I guess not then!

FNP still works though

Glad we got this settled.

**Captain Antivas**

Page 16 under Look Out, Sir! 2nd bullet point last sentence it says:

"This can even be a model that is out of range or line of sight of the Shooting attack."

A Perils is not a shooting attack and since it references shooting attacks specifically I would say no.

**Spellbound**

So does LOS work in close combat?

**Captain Antivas**

Spellbound wrote:So does LOS work in close combat?

Yes, but there is a section in the Assault Phase section that lays out the rules for it, starting with "Like a shooting attack..." There is no section on LoS in the Psyker section so it can be inferred (not assumed since there is a logical reasoning behind the inference) that it is limited to wounds inflicted by an enemy model. This is further justified by the explanation of the rule painting a picture of a captain using his private as a meat shield, or a lowly Marine sacrificing his life for his Sergeant. It would be impossible for a Marine to run interference against the Warp clawing at the Psyker's mind.

**Daemonhammer**

I doubt either LOS or FNP should be taken against Perils of the warp, there was a post in which a guy was asking whenever reanimation protocol on the necron lord (or something like that i dont play necron

) can be taken against Death or Glory wounds.

**HoverBoy**

DoG isn't a wound it removes the model from play.

**gannam**

FNP yes, LOS sir no. it also doesn't work for certain powers like hemmorage, since you "suffer" a wound, but because it has no AP, you can use FNP roll.

**Captain Antivas**

gannam wrote:FNP yes, LOS sir no. it also doesn't work for certain powers like hemmorage, since you "suffer" a wound, but because it has no AP, you can use FNP roll.

In 5th this was a no. With the changes to FNP I would say you can take FNP against Perils since it says no saves allowed but FNP is not a save.

**SoloFalcon1138**

Seriously? This sounds just like the cover saves taken vs a dead tervigon.

Perils of the Warp is a massive migraine suffered by a psyker. No one is going to dive in front of a headache...

**Grey Templar**

Yeah, so no LoS, yes FnP.

The psyker obviously has some Advil handy

**juraigamer**

Whoa.

Since FNP is only disallowed if the wound is instant death... you get FNP vs perils! Damn typhus you so fine...

**Grey Templar**

Typhus is immune to fething perils, and he autopasses his psychic tests. So this situation would never come up with him.

**juraigamer**

Not if he trades his two powers for, say, pyromancy powers. Also when he uses his force weapon.

**Grey Templar**

What?

Doesn't his entry say he autopasses all psychic tests but can only cast one power a turn(not including FW activation, which he can do as much as he wants)

**juraigamer**

He auto-passes psy tests when using his two normal powers, and his weapon gives him the ability to use his force weapon in addition to having used a power that turn.

**Spellbound**

Also hemorrhage is a focused witch fire, which I believe doesn't allow LOS.

**A Town Called Malus**

juraigamer wrote:He auto-passes psy tests when using his two normal powers, and his weapon gives him the ability to use his force weapon in addition to having used a power that turn.

Not any more. The FAQ removed the bit about using Manreaper as a force weapon even if he used a psychic power that turn. He now uses it just like everyone else, using Warp Charges. Since he is only Mastery level one and so only gets one Warp Charge a turn he can either use a Psychic power or use his force weapon, not both.

**juraigamer**

You say that, yet in the FAQ, three questions down from where it states what psy level typhus is, it states he may use his force weapon and a power each turn.

Thank you GW. I can't wait for more wonderful FAQ's

**A Town Called Malus**

juraigamer wrote:You say that, yet in the FAQ, three questions down from where it states what psy level typhus is, it states he may use his force weapon and a power each turn.

Thank you GW. I can't wait for more wonderful FAQ's

Gotta love consistency within an FAQ, let alone consistency between FAQs for different armies. I'll say that I think the bit I posted about trumps that bit as 1) It's newer. 2) It is Manreapers new rules, not an old question about Manreapers old rules. 3) Pink beats Black.

**bagtagger**

So is there still nothing that can stop mindstrike missiles from snipping a psyker out of a unit?

**Iranna**

bagtagger wrote:So is there still nothing that can stop mindstrike missiles from snipping a psyker out of a unit?

Well, if you have a 3 Wound Psyker, as only 2 Mindstrike Missiles can be fired per turn.

Iranna.

**bagtagger**

not if they have more than one storm raven

**Grey Templar**

bagtagger wrote:So is there still nothing that can stop mindstrike missiles from snipping a psyker out of a unit?

Nope. If you're under the template, break out the Asprin cause you got one serious migraine coming your way.

**HoverBoy**

bagtagger wrote:So is there still nothing that can stop mindstrike missiles from snipping a psyker out of a unit?

Sure there is, make the thing evade, blast weapons can't be snap shot.