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If all the Warhammer 40k Gods were to do a 1v1 combat with each other, who would be the strongest?
C'tans? Chaos Gods? Eldar Gods? Ork Gods? Hive Mind?

The Nightbringer and Khaine should be out of the picture since there is already prove that they are both weak compared to other gods. Khaine kicking the nightbringer's butt but got beaten up by Slannesh

I don't know, Ork Gods and Khorne are there.
But you know what they say...Orks are Orks so my vote goes to Gork and Mork.

Gork and Mork. They can't be beat.

Khorne would honestly crush them all.

Here is an excerpt from the codex entry for Skarbrand:

Skarbrand took up his axe and struck a blow against the Blood God

Though powerful enough to have felled an army, Skarbrand's strike only opened a small chink in the armor of the Blood God

Oh and here is another one in case you don't believe me. This time it is from the fluff in the beginning of the codex:

Upon a throne of brass, Khorne sits atop a mountainous dias made of the skulls of his champions and their defeated opponents. Beside him rests a great two-handed sword, capable of laying waste to worlds with a single blow.

He would breathe and everyone would fall down. Simple as that

while khorne is killing all the other gods mork would come up behind him and firmly plant a choppa in his rectum

Gork And Mork gets that title

Gork and Mork have been stated to be divine powerhouses that can't be defeated.

They can shrug the attacks of other gods off with a laugh.

Frankly if Khorne could have beaten them down he would have by now being the psycho that he is.

IMO Gork and/or Mork are the strongest deities in the setting, but i'd love to see a beatdown between Khorne and Gork (from a hell of a distance ) to prove it once and for all.

Gee, do you have to ask? The C'tans and eldar gods are finished, the hive mind don't count and its pretty clear who the winner is of the chaos gods.

Gork and Mork are an interesting case. Very little of known them and they seem to exist in the Warp without any interaction from the Chaos Gods.

However given that like the Gods of Chaos they are psychic manifestations of their client races, given the inclination of Orks towards fighting combined with the sheer size of their numbers I would say G & M are indeed the strongest entities in the Warp in terms of single combat.

Chaos gods do not have client races. They are the embodiment of emotion. All of that rage, war, and hate that the orks produce feed khorne. Same with all other war and rage and hate and blood. It's not just a specific race that represents the chaos gods

No the Ork stuff fuels Gork and Mork somehow. The others that happen to be fighting them fuel Khorne.

It's also not hate and rage for Khorne, that's more closer to Slaanesh's realm, though sort of fit in both at the same time in a way. Honour also fuels Khorne, as each of them has a lesser known "good" side; by that its more of they also get powered by positive emotions within their sphere of influence. They're not as two dimensional as they're usually made out to be.

Gork n' Mork, cuz Orkz are made for 2 fings. Foightin, and winnin'.

Naturally, the patron gods of that race would wreck anything in their path.

Isn't it stated that the emperor himself freaked out the first time he felt Gork n' Mork's presence in the warp, claiming they were some of the most powerful beings he'd ever seen? And haven't they beaten the crap out of nurgle because he tried to spread a plague amongst the orks as well? I keep hearing those two stories but I can never seem to find where they come from. Could be rumors or fanfic for all I know.

The emperor opening his eyes in fear was from old Epic background material i think.

Don't recall the other one, but it seems likely

Does the Emperor count as a God? If so, he wins (technically, he defeated all the Chaos Gods at once). If he doesn't count, then Khorne is top dog.

The Eldar Gods have proven weaker than the Chaos Gods, the C'Tan were beaten by the Necrons (who aren't even gods), and if Gork and Mork exist (which I'm not even sure of, given that the fluff for their existence is from the RT era), they are clearly not strong enough to be a significant force in the warp (otherwise, the Chaos Gods would have all been krumped by now; so from that we can conclude they don't measure up to them).

Kindasorta.

He defeated someone who was blessed/possessed by all four chaos gods at once, barely, and died doing it Not qite the same as fighting all four Gods in person.

Gork could still use his skull as a dice cup, and he knows it

Gork and Mork are in the current (late 4th) Ork codex too btw. They are still very much a part of the current fluff.

Pg 15

'Gork and Mork are divine powerhouses, deities so strong that they are never truly defeated. They simply shrug off the attacks of other gods with a raucous laugh...' etc. It's a long quote.

SInce the only Gods in the Warp are the Chaos gods and old Boney, and they aren't able to even hurt them, it would seem to argue that they are the strongest. Not the smartest, but definitely the strongest.

The Eldar gods are all dead bar two. Slaanesh killed them when S/HE was born, but that was when fuelled by the souls of pretty much the entire Eldar race. S/HE is a bit less potent these days.

The Ork gods are a huge force in the Warp. They just don't give a feth about ruling it. Also why wipe out the chaos gods when it's far more fun to own them again and again and again. Killing them just robs you of future fights.

Gork and Mork. The only real question, who's stronger between the two?

Gork, but Mork is sneakier.....unless it's the other way around

Got to love Orks...

 Ascalam wrote:
Kindasorta.

He defeated someone who was blessed/possessed by all four chaos gods at once, barely, and died doing it Not qite the same as fighting all four Gods in person.

Gork could still use his skull as a dice cup, and he knows it

Gork and Mork are in the current (late 4th) Ork codex too btw. They are still very much a part of the current fluff.

Pg 15

'Gork and Mork are divine powerhouses, deities so strong that they are never truly defeated. They simply shrug off the attacks of other gods with a raucous laugh...' etc. It's a long quote.

SInce the only Gods in the Warp are the Chaos gods and old Boney, and they aren't able to even hurt them, it would seem to argue that they are the strongest. Not the smartest, but definitely the strongest.

The Eldar gods are all dead bar two. Slaanesh killed them when S/HE was born, but that was when fuelled by the souls of pretty much the entire Eldar race. S/HE is a bit less potent these days.

The Ork gods are a huge force in the Warp. They just don't give a feth about ruling it. Also why wipe out the chaos gods when it's far more fun to own them again and again and again. Killing them just robs you of future fights.

The Emperor died fighting Horus because he refused to fight until after he was mortally wounded.

Being mentioned is not the same as being shown to exist. Not once in recent 40k fluff have Gork and Mork ever done anything. Arguing that they don't care about constantly fighting and killing things is to argue that they're un-Orky (after all, Orks don't let their enemies get away so that they can fight them again). And would anyone seriously argue that the gods of the Orks are un-Orky?

I stand by my assertion that if Gork and Mork exist, they are either powerful enough to crush everything in the warp (and by their very nature would be compelled to do so, just as regular Orks are compelled to seek out fights), or they aren't big players. If Gork and Mork were stronger than the Chaos Gods, the Chaos Gods would not be around. They are around, so Gork and Mork must either not exist, or not be as powerful as the Orks believe.

But we can disagree. This is 40k after all. The fluff is often deliberately self-contradicting.

 VampireDeLaVega wrote:
If all the Warhammer 40k Gods were to do a 1v1 combat with each other, who would be the strongest?
C'tans? Chaos Gods? Eldar Gods? Ork Gods? Hive Mind?

The Nightbringer and Khaine should be out of the picture since there is already prove that they are both weak compared to other gods. Khaine kicking the nightbringer's butt but got beaten up by Slannesh

Khaine was starved from lack of worship when Slaanesh, who was amplified by the power of the Eldar race and their gods, shattered him.

That Khaine was a pathetic shadow of his true self.


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 n0t_u wrote:
No the Ork stuff fuels Gork and Mork somehow. The others that happen to be fighting them fuel Khorne.

It's also not hate and rage for Khorne, that's more closer to Slaanesh's realm, though sort of fit in both at the same time in a way. Honour also fuels Khorne, as each of them has a lesser known "good" side; by that its more of they also get powered by positive emotions within their sphere of influence. They're not as two dimensional as they're usually made out to be.

Uh, hate and rage certainly fuel Khorne, and are absolutely two of his primary domains, beyond martial honor.

Anyway, the most powerful Warp deities in 40k are Gork and Mork.

Gork and Mork kind of confuse me. I'm not really sure if they exist. Where did they come from? Did they always exist because the other chaos gods didn't always exist? Were they born like the other chaos gods and why don't the other chaos gods unify against them, like they did against the Emperor, if Gork and Mork are such a threat? I think it's been said that they are asleep and only when the orks completely unify will they awaken. Maybe awaken means born like the other Chaos gods.

reaper with no name wrote:

 Ascalam wrote:
Kindasorta.

He defeated someone who was blessed/possessed by all four chaos gods at once, barely, and died doing it Not qite the same as fighting all four Gods in person.

Gork could still use his skull as a dice cup, and he knows it

Gork and Mork are in the current (late 4th) Ork codex too btw. They are still very much a part of the current fluff.

Pg 15

'Gork and Mork are divine powerhouses, deities so strong that they are never truly defeated. They simply shrug off the attacks of other gods with a raucous laugh...' etc. It's a long quote.

SInce the only Gods in the Warp are the Chaos gods and old Boney, and they aren't able to even hurt them, it would seem to argue that they are the strongest. Not the smartest, but definitely the strongest.

The Eldar gods are all dead bar two. Slaanesh killed them when S/HE was born, but that was when fuelled by the souls of pretty much the entire Eldar race. S/HE is a bit less potent these days.

The Ork gods are a huge force in the Warp. They just don't give a feth about ruling it. Also why wipe out the chaos gods when it's far more fun to own them again and again and again. Killing them just robs you of future fights.

The Emperor died fighting Horus because he refused to fight until after he was mortally wounded.

Being mentioned is not the same as being shown to exist. Not once in recent 40k fluff have Gork and Mork ever done anything. Arguing that they don't care about constantly fighting and killing things is to argue that they're un-Orky (after all, Orks don't let their enemies get away so that they can fight them again). And would anyone seriously argue that the gods of the Orks are un-Orky?

I stand by my assertion that if Gork and Mork exist, they are either powerful enough to crush everything in the warp (and by their very nature would be compelled to do so, just as regular Orks are compelled to seek out fights), or they aren't big players. If Gork and Mork were stronger than the Chaos Gods, the Chaos Gods would not be around. They are around, so Gork and Mork must either not exist, or not be as powerful as the Orks believe.

But we can disagree. This is 40k after all. The fluff is often deliberately self-contradicting.

Being mentioned explicitly as existing is not the same as existing in the fluff? OK.... The fluff says that they exist and are badasses. That's enough for me, and i'll agree to disagree. There isn't much fluff on the Chaos Gods actually doing anything directly either, or the Eldar Gods...

There's a couple of different versions of the Emperor/Horus fight also, Personally i like the oldest one, where E got his arm ripped off and his eye put out, but that's long since retconned by the Departmentum Propagandum. That one had the Emperor fighting almost all-out, and only beating Horus by using all but the very last fading iota of his life force to fwackoom him. Much better written than the more recent stuff.

The Ork fluff also has Ghaz being the prophet of Gork and Mork (who talk to him) , the Gargants being infused (literally) with the gods' power when they fire up and Snikrot's knives being blessed by Mork.

The Ork gods like to fight. Wiping out your opponents means you don't get to fight them again as opposed to beating them up once in a while. The Ork gods are bright enough to know this Orks sometimes do let respected enemies go, so they'll have someone good to fight again. Ghaz did so with Yarrick, for example.


Given the way that 40K fluff goes (including sweeping rewrites by certain writers to buff their favourite factions :( ) it's all good. Take whatever bits of the fluff you like, and ignore the rest

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
No the Ork stuff fuels Gork and Mork somehow. The others that happen to be fighting them fuel Khorne.

It's also not hate and rage for Khorne, that's more closer to Slaanesh's realm, though sort of fit in both at the same time in a way. Honour also fuels Khorne, as each of them has a lesser known "good" side; by that its more of they also get powered by positive emotions within their sphere of influence. They're not as two dimensional as they're usually made out to be.

Uh, hate and rage certainly fuel Khorne, and are absolutely two of his primary domains, beyond martial honor.

Anyway, the most powerful Warp deities in 40k are Gork and Mork.

To an extent.
Every emotion in excess sends some power to Slaanesh as well. Choosing a god focuses where the energy goes.

 shamroll wrote:
Gork and Mork kind of confuse me. I'm not really sure if they exist. Where did they come from? Did they always exist because the other chaos gods didn't always exist? Were they born like the other chaos gods and why don't the other chaos gods unify against them, like they did against the Emperor, if Gork and Mork are such a threat? I think it's been said that they are asleep and only when the orks completely unify will they awaken. Maybe awaken means born like the other Chaos gods.

They are awake. They aren't particularly interested in ruling the warp/wiping out the other gods/being a dick like the Emperor and the 4 Powers are though.

They are the reflections of the ork collective psyche in the Warp. Big, crude and powerful, not hugely smart, and not really interested in universal domination due to being a species bigot or because of daddy issues.


As to why the chaos gods haven't dealt with them yet

Khorne - can't beat them down. They are unkillable.
Tzeentch - can't blow them up. Same reason.
Slaanesh- can't kill them with pleasure - Orks are asexual and the few things that orks really enjoy just make them stronger.
Nurgle - Can't make them fall to entropy - they are too vital and strong for that.

As to why they haven't killed off the Chaos Gods.

Tzeentch- can't find him...mazes are boring
Nurgle - Would you want to headbutt someone who smells that bad?
Khorne - too much fun as an opponent to kill him off.
Slaanesh - It's bad to hit girls... (ok this is a weak reason..but hey )


AFAIK Gork and Mork have been around for as long as Orks have, as embodiments of their racial conciousness.

It's said that the word for favored enemy and friend mean the exact same thing in the orkish language. Hence Yarrick/Ghazzy and their rivalry of sorts. Yarrick hates Ghazzy, but Ghazzy recognizes him as a once in a lifetime rival, and makes sure to keep him around so he'll always have a proper fight available if he wants it. He's even let Yarrick go, just so he could fight him again.

What's to say that Gork n' Mork love beating up on the chaos gods so much they don't want to kill them, lest they get bored? Sure they can always fight each other, but I'm sure that gets boring after a while

Yarrick might sort of like the challenge as well. He's somewhat taking advantage of what they know about Ork psychology.

 VampireDeLaVega wrote:
If all the Warhammer 40k Gods were to do a 1v1 combat with each other, who would be the strongest?
C'tans? Chaos Gods? Eldar Gods? Ork Gods? Hive Mind?

The Nightbringer and Khaine should be out of the picture since there is already prove that they are both weak compared to other gods. Khaine kicking the nightbringer's butt but got beaten up by Slannesh

The most powerful incarnation of the Chaos Gods are the Greater Daemons. They seem by and large to be on par with the old Nightbringer, etc.. . I would assume that a physical manifestation of the Ork Gods would play in the same league.

The old Nightbringer mindraped the galaxy into fearing him as the embodiment of death. It brought fear of death into the galaxy.

Beyond that, a measure of its power can destroy star systems.

Yeah no, a Greater Daemon, the most powerful of their number, would not even be a mildly annoying opponent for the unbridled might of a C'tan (Old fluff anyway).

Gork and Mork or Mork and Gork...

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 VampireDeLaVega wrote:
If all the Warhammer 40k Gods were to do a 1v1 combat with each other, who would be the strongest?
C'tans? Chaos Gods? Eldar Gods? Ork Gods? Hive Mind?

The Nightbringer and Khaine should be out of the picture since there is already prove that they are both weak compared to other gods. Khaine kicking the nightbringer's butt but got beaten up by Slannesh

Khaine was starved from lack of worship when Slaanesh, who was amplified by the power of the Eldar race and their gods, shattered him.

That Khaine was a pathetic shadow of his true self.

I am not sure if that is the case, Khaine was over whelmed by Slaanesh because Slaneesh had just consumed most of the pantheon of other Eldar Gods and was at his most powerful. I don't think it was down to Khaine being weakened by lack of worship, the Eldar gods don't seem to act the same way as the Chaos Gods do.

In the mortal realm the C'tan are the daddies of them all and it's a testament to Khaine that he managed to go toe to toe with Kaelis Ra.

The void dragon is still sleeping on mars. And wasn't big E nearly killed by a great unclean one during the great crusade? I haven't really read the late 4th/5th edition fluff on Gork and Mork, so I gotta say Khorne.