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I just ordered the Legion off of Ebay and its coming in a few days, couldn't get Khador due to my laziness to paint them. But what could you tell me to play the Legion effectively? Unless it just depends on your skill and luck, then I guess thats all need to be said.

Um, what specifically are you looking for?

The stragety, like what would they go for first, do they kill the casters first, or take out the army to make them power down. Since their only advantage I read about is that alot of their models are blind, Eyeless Sight ability can be handy at times.

I don't really have the Hordes rulebook to read about them in the army preview section because I just bought the Warmachine one. The rules are exactly the same, just different game mechanics of focus and fury.

Also, didn't get started on reading the fluff yet, but why are alot of them blind, just curious.

They arent blind, just see differently

Eyeless Sight is a powerful bonus, not to mention they pretty much ALL have built in Pathfinder

Everblight is a high damage, high speed faction. They will probably more often win by going for the caster, but their high damage will allow them to pick off some important targets before doing so

Also they have a really powerful ranged game

They are comparably a bit squishy, so in most cases don't expect to win the long game of attrition

The Carnivean is impressive, but what got my attention to the Legion is that Typhon of theirs. How well does it do in battle, with/without Thagrosh?

Typhon is fairly Meh from what I hear. Big complaint tends to be his slow sleep and lack of Pathfinder compared to the Carnivian chassis. Ravigores and Angelli tend to get most of the praise that I hear anymore. A Shredder to give you your Tenacity is also pretty standard.

But yes, high speed and high damage is Legions thing. Also widely known for getting to ignore half of th rules in the game. Forests are your friend even more than Circle. eVayle and eLyllith, also Saeryn, are probably the strongest casters I think. The only one that I think gets really Pooh Poohed is Rhyas.

 AduroT wrote:
Also widely known for getting to ignore half of th rules in the game.

Yes, i've been hearing about that on some websites, whats the deal with this?

Eyeless Sight, Pathfinder/Flight, Blood Born and Soulless on their Beasts. The ignore half the rules thing is a bit hyperbolic, but based on that. It's why I said forests on the table are your best friends.

Oh, I see, they have just too many abilities that the rules apply that the Legion has alot of those. Eyeless sight, ignore concealment, Blood Born, doesn't attack your warlock, and souless, doesn't leave the soul, or what you call it. Thats what you mean by ignoring half of the rules.

Just saying but, i'm not going to start getting negative comments at my local game store about my army, am I? Keep hearing the same that they are too good. I hope not, I just want to play the game so desperately, regardless if I have to choose any faction on Ebay if its painted, which I did and that was Legion and the only painted army I could find that was enough points.

Legion is the "broken" Hordes faction, so you'll probably hear someone complain at least one if even jokingly, especially if you play a lot of eLyllith. I've heard a lot of the same thing playing Cryx. I wouldn't put any mind to it though. The people who do it are either just teasing/trolling you or too dumb for their opinion to matter. ;p

Meh, screw them.

Also, one last thing, I forgot to show the pictures of the models I got, little weird color for the warbeasts this guy made, but its a good sight.-

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LEGION-OF-EVERBLIGHT-ARMY-THAGROSH-HORDES-/121082968389?pt=Games_US&hash=item1c311b7945

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121082963153?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

I actually had to bid on these two sets, but not a problem, just click the little words saying "See original listing" Its killing me to wait a week to get these, if not two weeks. Just want to play a damn good game.

The Thagrosh set is a little odd I think. I don't think any of those models are Bad, more the mid tier stuff. The Lyllyth set in the other hand is pretty solid. Stryders and the cav unit are both really darn good and its got your Shredders and Carni. I'd fill out the Stryder unit with the last four dudes and then pick up the cav solo. Could also do with a Ravigore or two.


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Also that paint job doesn't appear bad at all and I even like the beast scheme.

Well i'll try, can't get anything else besides the tokens, tape measure and templates, because I reached the spending limit on these guys.

$245, If I would have bought them new and unassembled, unpainted, it would have costed me much more, another reason why I had to grab them. This seller just wanted the money and didn't get into the game that much now.

Also read on Battle Collage that the Legionaries are pretty bad, but eh, its ten models, could do some good against light infantry.

Holy crap, you made out like a bandit.

But as for Typhon, he can be a nasty piece of work, but he can also be a mega bullet magnet just like any other 12 point model. His survivability is iffy at best even when he pops regen animus. A warlock really does benefit from the regen though not as much as spiny growth. He has great damage output but has the pathfinder problem that was mentioned earlier. He's quite strong with Thagrosh since he gives him a second life, something NOBODY wants. If you can put a trifecta of heavy beasts of the table, you may be able scare opponents into focusing down a beast, just to have it come back next turn while the other two rampage through their army. Carnivean and scythean are great threats to compliment each other.

Last thing is with Legion, there is no such thing as a cheap anything. Your power houses cost points and need to be used judiciously or else. Menoth can throw down crusaders at 6 points a pop (with tier lists it can be 5!). That means for every carnivean you field, they're practically fielding two. A single one will tear a beast apart. Your amazing infantry costs a fair amount of points. You will have to find a balance in accordance to your local players lists of heavy, light, lesser and infantry.

I've not heard of them as Bad I don't think, though I don't see them often.

Yeah thats the problem Surtur, its 72 points worth, I need either 25, 35, if not 50 at games. But yet, another reason I bought these, seems like there are some options for me instead of using the same list over and over again. But jeez, 12 Warbeasts.

I'll stop by the Army Gizmo later, right now its 2:52 in the morning, don't even know why the hell i'm still awake. But fancy seeing you two awake aswell.

Legionaries are considerably weaker defensively than their other 6 point shield wall counterparts from other factions as they only have defensive line. They have CMA, reach and vengeance but they only back it up with a pow 10 meaning they rely on those CMAs. Their UA greatly improves their defensive capabilities by giving them the flameguard minifeat and set defense.

 Sharps wrote:
I'll stop by the Army Gizmo later, right now its 2:52 in the morning, don't even know why the hell i'm still awake. But fancy seeing you two awake aswell.

I work nights, just sitting here chatting online and watching tv, and getting paid for it.

I find Legion a bit easier to use than most of the factions. not complaining here, nor telling they're cheap or overpowered, really. just telling that while having its finesses and sinergies, it's a more straightforward faction to play (than most of the others) imo, so, good choice to start the game.

random thoughts/suggestion as a player that doesn't play LoE but plays very often against it:

the Carnivean breath is a nice resource. I've lost a couple of games by underestimating it. it hits models behind other (such a caster behind a heavy) and you can use it while charging. also, PP spray template is very narrow (if you're used to other games) it can flow into tight spaces you wouldn't have considered (lost a game for this mistake).

Seraph's animus is a life saver. learn to use it, and it will keep your beasts healthy and will grant lots more pain on your opponent's ones.

Also, this one is quite obvious, but we realized it only after a good number of games, don't charge with rabid Shredders unless you really need those 3" more, you're already getting boosted damage.

Forget Shredders, NEVER Charge with any Jack or Beast unless you need the extra 3" or they get to Charge for free. If you Charge when you could have just walked into Melee you're paying to Boost your damage roll befor you know that you hit them and you mandate which way you face.

Forget Shredders? Such as leave them out of the battle group?

No I meant in terms of his comment about not charging with Rabid Shredders. Saying "Forget Something" means its the least of what you should be worrying about in the context of which it was mentioned. Having a token Shredder in nearly every list to make to get access to the Tenacity Animus is a solid plan otherwise. It can just follow behind your Warlock casting that each turn while staying out of most all of the battle and be worth it's points still.

I wouldn't understand why it should be behind the Warlock, if the Shredders could just be infront, and prevent the Warlock from getting into heavy Melee combat, or other attacks. Still yes, you could just transfer damage for 1 fury, but should you save that fury, or just spend it on the damage transfer?

Legionaires have a pretty nasty use with thagrosh. Basically you step them in the back with him to make them explode with his "eruption of ash". This way you can put a cloud onto it which blocks LoS to thagrosh. At least thats a use ive seen.

 AduroT wrote:
Typhon is fairly Meh from what I hear.

holy crap, what?!?
typhon is the best infantry/jam clear-er in the game as far as I've seen.

No, that would be Winterguard Deathstar, or pAsphyxious Parasite+Feat, or Bart+Galleon, or pKreoss/pSorcha pop and drop.

Can't I atleast get a video Batrep of an army that includes the Typhon? Its making me itch to see what it can do.

 AduroT wrote:
No, that would be Winterguard Deathstar, or pAsphyxious Parasite+Feat, or Bart+Galleon, or pKreoss/pSorcha pop and drop.

So yeah a combination of expensive models+caster or a feat can do a better job on occasion, legion doesn't have any of those tools (unless you count ravagores or jacked up warspears) I'm not budging on typhon being pretty good. one of the other wildly powerful character jack/warbeasts, and the carnie's animus is better in most situations that dont involve something like daughters of the flame spam, but he sure isn't on the same "dear god what was I thinking?" level as proteus. The problem I see privateer having is our regular beasts are really really good, taking it up another notch with a character beast would probably be too much.

 AduroT wrote:
Forget Shredders, NEVER Charge with any Jack or Beast unless you need the extra 3" or they get to Charge for free. If you Charge when you could have just walked into Melee you're paying to Boost your damage roll befor you know that you hit them and you mandate which way you face.

your statement is so plain obvious that it makes me feel suddenly dumb ^_^;

Gabbi wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Forget Shredders, NEVER Charge with any Jack or Beast unless you need the extra 3" or they get to Charge for free. If you Charge when you could have just walked into Melee you're paying to Boost your damage roll befor you know that you hit them and you mandate which way you face.

your statement is so plain obvious that it makes me feel suddenly dumb ^_^;

except with carnie or another model with assault because you get a free ranged attack /and/ a boosted damage roll