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**Random Dude**

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**TheDraconicLord**

I don't want to sound like an a$$, but I believe a generic Necron Overlord with MSS and Warscythe would tear those guys a new one

**kinratha**

TT or fluff? Because in fluff either abby or logan.

**Griddlelol**

Arjac isn't an IC.

Abaddon wins. Just do the math.

**IHateNids**

Griddlelol wrote:
Abaddon wins. Just do the math.

Some of this thread disagrees with that statement

but I agree, a Pimped out Overlord (who is still cheaper than most of those guys I will add) will bitchslap the lot of them

**Griddlelol**

Iirc, the only one who cold convincingly beat abaddon was the swarm lord, who's not an IC.

Edit: and the over lord does quite well. Surprisingly left off the list in the poll.

**IHateNids**

because none of the Named OLords are any good. The best one is Obyron, due to 2+ & a possible 10 attacks on the charge

Actually, add him to the poll. Its the one guy where I2 is in his favour, so he can clock up counterstrikes. WS6 means he is a match for most of anybody

**ImotekhTheStormlord**

If fluff, none of the above: Draigo.

If game, abby.

**madtankbloke**

Trazyn the infinite, while certainly not able to go toe to toe with most CC beatsticks still has MSS so he has at least a chance of the oposing character killing himself, and he will absolutely butcher hordes due to emphatic obliterator. and he's scoring, and he is very very very hard to kill permanently due to reanimation protocols, and surrogate hosts. in a game you have to pretty much kill the whole rest of the army to knock out all the crypteks, lords etc he could replace

**kronk**

Random Dude wrote:
Which Independent character do you think is more effective in combat?( Tell me if you want a character added.)

I'm pretty sure Carl could kick Geoff's ass. I'd put $5 on it, actually.

**reaverX**

Griddlelol wrote:
Iirc, the only one who cold convincingly beat abaddon was the swarm lord, who's not an IC.

Edit: and the over lord does quite well. Surprisingly left off the list in the poll.

He counts as one if he's got guard with him. I understand not wanting to put a clear winner in here though. Give everyone else a chance.

**pretre**

Don't we already have a 'biggest badass in 40k' thread going in background?
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/532607.page

**SoloFalcon1138**

yeah, but they're both from new posters. they haven't seen the 100 posts just like these...

**martin74**

Where s yarrick? Yes, I know he isn't a power house, but he does come back from the dead more oft then not.

**Ruarinator2**

I would have loved to put Logan Grimnar (Go SW's!) but Abby is just too good because he gets so many s5 ap2 attacks. At I6...

**Jimsolo**

You know who actually benefited a great deal from the new challenge rules, that I still never see used? Cassius. T6 with re-rolls on the charge, plus Feel No Pain? Sign me up.

But I voted Abaddon.

**wilsjur**

IHateNids wrote:
Griddlelol wrote:
Abaddon wins. Just do the math.
Some of this thread disagrees with that statement

but I agree, a Pimped out Overlord (who is still cheaper than most of those guys I will add) will bitchslap the lot of them

I love it when this thread is referenced. It is the first thing people do when someone says "Abbadon Sucks".

**Trondheim**

By personal experience Abbadon

**bibblles**

Well I've seen abadon stand up to a titan, briefly, before being flattened by blood angel terminators. Still it was inspiring.

In my experience I've got to say that Calgar has done an admirable job on the table. He's killed enough demon princes and won enough challenges for me to vote for him in this.

**Drakka77**

Thraka in close combat during his waaagh is invulnerable and has 7 attacks strength maxed ap 1 nothing beats him in raw killa power.

**liam10191**

the swarmlord

**Fenric**

Yup Swarmy has what 75% chance to get Iron Arm and if he does he wins that's just it.

**Zweischneid**

In fluff: Maugan Ra

He killed an entire Hive Fleet... by himself... before they even managed to make planetfall.... didn't run out of ammo doing it either.

Later, he went on a solo-hike through the Eye of Terror.

Hard to beat that.

**Random Dude**

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**AlmightyWalrus**

Abaddon. Ghazghkull almost kills him if he gets the charge and 2 turns of Waaagh!, but Abaddon still takes it.

**Rippy**

I think the poll up the top has clearly defined the general consensus.

**Lobokai**

Abby Rolls... Kill for the Living! Kill for the Dead!

**Scipio Africanus**

These are all named characters and that annoys me.

For me the toughest character has to go to Darnath Lysander. The most effective in Challenges is easily karandras. The most irritating is the Necron Shacklelord and the most well rounded would be Kaldor Draigo.

**thenoobbomb**

Azrael.
Not that awesome, but Ravenwing AND Deathwing as troops, with space for a Librarian left? Hell yeah

**PredaKhaine**

Zweischneid wrote:
In fluff: Maugan Ra

He killed an entire Hive Fleet... by himself... before they even managed to make planetfall.... didn't run out of ammo doing it either.

Later, he went on a solo-hike through the Eye of Terror.

Hard to beat that.

The part of the new apoc book with the 'finest hour' rules expands on this a little - He fought them on the ground and beat the swarm by killing(shooting) every single synapse creature they had

Its in one of the scans.