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For starters, a codex would be a part of the wishlist. No, I don't believe we'll be getting one any time soon if at all so this is more a work of fantasy.
Let's try to keep it realistic and not the uber-tournement-overpower-kill-death list. This is Sisters of Battle. They're never going to be top dog.
So, realistically, what do you think SHOULD be in the never-to-be-released codex?
Start with the FOC in order to keep it organized.
As for me:
HQ: At least two more characters. (in addition) A living saint with a whole different play style than Celestine. (like heavy armor, shield and spear for example) And a kick-butt, tough as nails cannoness character with unique warlord abilities.
Troops: a lighter, cheaper troop type, maybe novices. Lightly armored sisters with a fanatical will to demonstrate their worthiness.
Elite: Something unique, like troops with some kind of super sister flame thrower. Or maybe a different type of Repentia that specialize in throwing explosives.
Fast attack: Bikes, buggies or Humvees. Something. Anything.
Heavy: Either a unique tank covered in heavy flammers or variants of the Penitent Engines. Maybe a shooty PE or one with armor instead of "the Emprah's protection!"

Those are my ideas. Probably asking way too much, but to put it on equal grounds with the other codexs in terms of types of units, it would need something like this.

What say you? Keep in mind that this isn't a thread about likelihood of said codex or "I want my 1+save female terminators with twin-linked assault cannons!"

PS. Oh, and I'd like to see the Cloak of St. Aspira back, please?

Hrmm..I want immolators that are fast and can fire again. I want to see repressors. I want to see acts of faith that are more than a crap shoot. I want them to have a powerful deny the witch. I'd love for them to have the zelot rule.

Yes, an actually useful act of faith system would be very nice. Forgot about that one.
Deny the Witch? (scratches chin) I like it!

Personally - more Repentia.

My Extended Codex when I finally get round to actually making the damn thing will include several things:

Unlocks for Repentia as Troops with a Repentia HQ.
Pos. Unlocks of other things with an X HQ.
A Faith boosting squad.
An assault transport.
Some sort of dedicated flame tank.
Pos. Baneblade variant.
More Inquisitorial Crossover?
More/Better Preacher entries.
A second Troops choice.

Also, at the end of the day, I think D3 Faith points per 500pts or part there of is the best option - so 1250pts would be 3D3, while 2000 would be 4D3, and so on.
Would also translate nicely into Apoc, and is an easily scalable system.

 Ovion wrote:
Personally - more Repentia.

My Extended Codex when I finally get round to actually making the damn thing will include several things:

Unlocks for Repentia as Troops with a Repentia HQ.
Pos. Unlocks of other things with an X HQ.
A Faith boosting squad.
An assault transport.
Some sort of dedicated flame tank.
Pos. Baneblade variant.
More Inquisitorial Crossover?
More/Better Preacher entries.
A second Troops choice.

Also, at the end of the day, I think D3 Faith points per 500pts or part there of is the best option - so 1250pts would be 3D3, while 2000 would be 4D3, and so on.
Would also translate nicely into Apoc, and is an easily scalable system.

A Repentia HQ? That just made my day. I need that in my life.

Haha, yeah.

I want to roll up to a game, put 62+ Repentia and a ton of Penitent Engines on the field and go nuts!

You know what!, lets work on it right now!

A Bad A__ Repentia veteran who's in charge of a Penitent host. Hmmmm...
Makes Repentia troops. (hopefully with a price reduction 'cause they cost a lot.)
Maybe Feel no Pain or a holy, faith powered invul save of some kind?

- Yes, novices are a great idea. Seconding.

- Zealot mobs could also be fun and useful. Make melee orientated and have them led by a priest of some kind. As long as the priest lives, they're less likely to flee. If he dies, then their morale plummets.

- Useful Celestians. Maybe make them like Sternguards, and let them all take combis? Or just make them actually good at melee? I'm not sure, just something to make them viable. I want to paint them like they are in Soulstorm so badly.

- Useful Canoness: Easy to do, just give her her options from last codex back. I want a viable generic HQ dammit!

- Fast attack: Just ort the flier over from Forgeworld. Not that they're likely to do that, though.

- For a superheavy, a Sororitas Baneblade. Give it a huge Inferno Cannon for its main weapon and loads of appropriate iconography.

- Alternate Superheavy: This was drawn on /tg/ a recently, and I kinda like it. Would be unique to the Sisters and fit their style quite nicely. Stats were actually made for it, but unfortunately I did not save them. Not everybody was sold on it, but I thought it'd be interesting to see what Dakka thinks.



- And of course, supplements. Martyred Lady or Valorous Heart could be fun.

That's all I can think of at the moment.

Also, I know you said this thread wasn't about whether or not they'd be updated, but you seem like you could use some good news on that front.

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/enter-citadel-sisters-of-battleblack.html
http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/sisters-of-battle.html

Ha! Dig that giant robo-Sister. I'm game. A "Living Shrine" or something.
More options for the Cannoness is a must.
I'm actually less sold on the baneblade. They need something more unique I think.


(I've seen those rumors. Same thing they've been saying for years. We'll see a new Necron Codex before a SOB codex. :( )

Some sort of gaint Penitent Engine with multiple people on it has also been suggested in the past. But then I feel like that's just rehashing something we already have. I'm kinda leaning towards something like the giant robot Sister as a superheavy, now that I think about it. Just to do something new.

(True, but there are several encouraging gems in there: Jervis says that all armies are being worked on and will be updated in time, Phil Kelly expresses interest in working on them at some point and three designers play Sisters as their main army, Not saying we'll get anything soon, but I'd certainly not say never)

 MWHistorian wrote:
A Bad A__ Repentia veteran who's in charge of a Penitent host. Hmmmm...
Makes Repentia troops. (hopefully with a price reduction 'cause they cost a lot.)
Maybe Feel no Pain or a holy, faith powered invul save of some kind?

To be honest, they're priced acceptably - 17pts each, being that the weapon alone is 25pts each (and holds, the problem is ultimately they have no suitable delivery method.

Which is something I want to address

Decent looking models.

So, Repentia HQ
Giant moving shrine Jeager Sister.

I think we're going somewhere!

But the fast Immolator needs to happen.

FOC-based wishlist:

HQ: Less focus on SC being "mandatory". Bring back the kickass 3E Canoness and her many wargear choices.
Troops: Always liked the Novices idea. Carapace with Lasguns? Also, bring back Frateris Militia meatshields!
Elite: Turn Celestians into something more CC-oriented. Give them shields and power swords to reflect their body/honor guard role.
Fast Attack: SoB Valkyrie for troop deployment and fire support. Perhaps also that Tauros Venator squad carrier variant from James Swallow's Hammer & Anvil novel? (problem: it was said to carry only 5 Sisters; solution: copy the "combat squad" rule from SM)
Heavy Support: Maybe those fancy Dominica-pattern Drop Pods from Andy Hoare's CJ Strike Force list?
Transport: Not sure if such a transfer has been done before, but I'd love to see the Repressor find its way into the actual Codex army list.

Other nitpicks: Unit-dependent AoF suck, allow us to think and choose for ourselves again. Also, make Faith Pool dice actually depend on army size, such as 1 die for every 500 or 1.000 points or something. Lastly, change the Shield of Faith back to the 3E resistance bonus against psychic powers.

Cool stuff: Bring back the pre-battle rites from 2E, there's not reason they couldn't work alongside AoF if both mechanics are balanced for simultaneous use.

For a Superheavy, I'd personally rather see something like a huge mobile shrine, something like this just larger, bedecked with skulls and aquilas, and featuring some arcane weapon, plus having a large morale boost effect on nearby infantry. Alternatively, the Tracked Cathedral from the 3E artwork.

MWHistorian wrote:A Repentia HQ? That just made my day. I need that in my life.

Apocalypse has you covered:

Ok, so having dug out my files and brought them up, finishing some, here's what I've got so far!

Repentia SuperiorRemember that she replaces the Mistress of Repentance, it's a 32pt model.
Basically replacing the Sister with a 'veteran' Repentia with 2 wounds and an improved Act of Faith.

Contritioness
Repentia Canoness!
NO OPTIONS!
Because Eviscerators are cool.

Sister Katterin MagdeleneNot just 6 squads of Repentia, but an extra 6 Penitent Engines too!
Valeriya the Damned + Penitent DefendersAnd a new idea - Penitent HQ, that gives you 2 Troop Slot Penitent slots and some Bodyguards.
Make a legal army of 18 Penitent Engines!

All works in progress, so thoughts and comments appreciated.

I would never do that army unless they made resin or plastic PE's. Those things are torture to put together.

See, I intend to do a 9 Penitent Engine force anyway, so adding a few more wouldn't be that much hassle....
Though yeah, hoping for plastic.

The real fun would be the 3500-4000pt Katterin + Valeriya, 2 Defenders, 2x3 Engines, 4x10 Repentia (with Superiors), 4x1 Engines and 3x3 Penitent Engines, for 22 Engines overall, for a total of 46 Heavy Flamers and 4 Heavy Bolters.

Maybe I should come up with a Fast Attack version
Penitent Engines with Jump Packs and 4 TL Bolters each maybe?
Squads of 1-3, 100pts a pop?

A fast attack PE that can outflank.

And/or Deepstrike.
I'll figure it out in the morning.

I'd like a "generic" Living Saint HQ choice. Something that is akin to the style of C'tan shards, where you buy a basic model with a solid statline, then must by 2-3 upgrades on a list.

An HQ to make Seraphim troops, or some way to make them Troops.

I'd like to see more viable Warlord options on par with Celestine. As much as I love Celestine, you would be silly not to take her atm.

Additionally, all units should have 5+ invulnerable save due to faith, instead of 6+. Just like daemons.

So, going back to fantasy, say Sisters do get a codex. What do you think (realistically) will actually be in it?

Replace all the photos of the studio minis with a cut out and keep pin up calendar.

Celestine not being able to get up from vortex missiles.

Immolators could also do with some buffing. Move and shoot would be nice, and maybe an increased transport capacity.

 sing your life wrote:
Celestine not being able to get up from vortex missiles.

SoB FAQ already says that she gets up from attacks that remove models from play. Pretty sure she's intended to be able to survive vortex missiles too.

 Lynata wrote:
Lastly, change the Shield of Faith back to the 3E resistance bonus against psychic powers.

The resistance to psychic powers is what I truly miss the most. That, and the (useful) anti-psyker wargear, and the WH Inquisitor with unlimited range Hood and Hammer of Witches power. People seldom risked psykers against me, but with the WD Codex and 6th I'm fielding one of the most defensless armies when it comes to enemy psykers (who are also usually much stronger now with BRB powers).

 Troike wrote:
Immolators could also do with some buffing. Move and shoot would be nice, and maybe an increased transport capacity.

 sing your life wrote:
Celestine not being able to get up from vortex missiles.

SoB FAQ already says that she gets up from attacks that remove models from play. Pretty sure she's intended to be able to survive vortex missiles too.

But the question is, what if she becomes a squig?

On topic, if the HQs could be as customisable as SM captains, etc that would be good.

Bikes would be suitable. Anything that lets them get up close quickly.

All SM have ATSKNF. All Orks have Waaagh!. All SoB units should have Zealot. Come on, if there's one army that rule was made for...

For the "Celestin getting up from seemingly impossible deaths" question: look at her back story and how she became a saint. She was apparently nuked at some fortress. Totally blown up, atomized, kablooie! Yet she reappeared again and again. Even if she is vortexed, she'll just reappear 'miraculously.'

Spetulhu wrote:The resistance to psychic powers is what I truly miss the most. That, and the (useful) anti-psyker wargear, and the WH Inquisitor with unlimited range Hood and Hammer of Witches power. People seldom risked psykers against me, but with the WD Codex and 6th I'm fielding one of the most defensless armies when it comes to enemy psykers (who are also usually much stronger now with BRB powers).

Together with AoF, the psychic resistance was one of their trademark features - and fit well to their fluff. The new Shield of Faith seems to be a sort of "always-on AoF", but I really would prefer the old one back. It's just flavourful that way, and would increase diversity. Even just a bonus to Deny the Witch would suffice!

As for Inquisitors, I still think those (and dedicated troops, such as ISTs and Deathwatch Marines) should be a dedicated "Allies" option for any Imperial army, perhaps with an option for Kill-Team as well.

Fezman wrote:Bikes would be suitable. Anything that lets them get up close quickly.

Buggies!

Sorry. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of those Tauros APCs. Blame MWHistorian for bringing it up in the first place.

For those who haven't read the novel, the vehicle was basically another variant of FW's Elysian Tauros Venator buggy, removing the lascannon in favour of a 4-Sister passenger compartment (bringing the total to 5 Sisters, if you add the driver). I think it kept a Stormbolter as its only weapon, but I'd have to re-read the book to be sure.

Yes! They need "Rat Patrol" dune buggies with big guns.
But will Sisters ever get anything like novice troops, buggies or a new character? Or will GW just copy and paste what's already there?