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What is the most powerful single being in the entire 40k series?

In my opinion its Khorne, what do you guys think?

Marbo.

falling that, Hive mind

The Imperial Guardsman

/ Obligatory Mat Ward's pen joke

Are we talking physical strength, psychic power, or the power they command?

Does the Hive Mind count as a single entity, as all Tyranids are just parts of its whole. Oooooh edgy!

Obliviously the Emperor in his hayday for physical power. Even now for psychic power, and in a way he still controls the Imperium, but only kind of.

Very difficult question to answer. also quite general. My question is what herbaciousT said^^

 HerbaciousT wrote:
Obliviously the Emperor in his hayday for physical power. Even now for psychic power, and in a way he still controls the Imperium, but only kind of.

The C'tan were physically more powerful than the Emperor in their heyday.

Isn't the answer to all these questions always Leman Russ?

Can't be any of the Chaos Gods, because Gork and Mork are more powerful than that. Perhaps Gork+Mork (they seem to be two faces of the same deity anyway), the Emperor, or the Tyranid Hive Mind?

 Melissia wrote:
Can't be any of the Chaos Gods, because Gork and Mork are more powerful than that. Perhaps Gork+Mork (they seem to be two faces of the same deity anyway), the Emperor, or the Tyranid Hive Mind?

What makes you believe that Gork and Mork are more powerful than that?

Mork without Gork


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VampireDeLaVega wrote:
What is the most powerful single being in the entire 40k series?

In my opinion its Khorne, what do you guys think?

Why Khorne ? Why not Nurgle or Slaanesh ?

Chaos Gods don't count. They can't enter the mortal realm, and are in fact an aggregate entity.

The Emperor doesn't count either. He sits on his golden toilet and does nothing.

My money goes on Fateweaver.

My money is on Cegorarch. Hear me out though, Cegorarch has direct access to the black library, giving him all but complete knowledge of the chaos gods and how to beat them. He knows all there daemons and all there traps while he has the most powerful relics known to the eldar to of ever existed. Being Lord of the Webway he can open tunnels practically anywhere in the entire universe, and we could assume he could even breach Terra, that would give the emperor a hard time when his corpse is turned to soup by a harlequin kiss. Unlike the Chaos gods, he is not stuck in there perpetual struggle against each other, meaning he would have time to work. Knowlige is power, sure Tzeentch has him out done even with the Black Library, but the ambition to use it is more important.

DarthMarko wrote:Mork without Gork


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VampireDeLaVega wrote:
What is the most powerful single being in the entire 40k series?

In my opinion its Khorne, what do you guys think?

Why Khorne ? Why not Nurgle or Slaanesh ?

Khorne is the modt powerful Chaos God.

Void__Dragon wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Can't be any of the Chaos Gods, because Gork and Mork are more powerful than that. Perhaps Gork+Mork (they seem to be two faces of the same deity anyway), the Emperor, or the Tyranid Hive Mind?

What makes you believe that Gork and Mork are more powerful than that?

The Ork.codex says something along the lines of Gork/Mork being so powerful they can basically rolfstomp any other warp entity. Will try to find a quote soon.

VampireDeLaVega wrote:
What is the most powerful single being in the entire 40k series?

In my opinion its Khorne, what do you guys think?

I dont think a chaos god is that much stronger than the other... i believe they are in a vicious cycle of balance? Where one gains terretory the other loses it.. if a chaos god becomes stronger than the other the balance would be disturbed and balance would be restored automaticly? I believe i read this somewhere.... dont know where.. Khorne might be stronger but Nurgle will never fall against him.. he just keeps on taking those hits

Any gods aside though.... Swarm Lord/Ezekyle Abbadon/Marneus Calgar/Eldrad Ulthwe/ Imotekh the Stormlord/ Ghazkull?... Hell any superboss from a codex is a match for another... Their specialties just lay somewhere else..

If Shadowsun doesnt kill Ghazkull on range and allows him to get up close she is a goner... Couple of good hits and ghazkull is... I dont think we can point at a model and say,... yuuuup hes the strongest...

Gork ....... or mork.

 Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:

VampireDeLaVega wrote:
What is the most powerful single being in the entire 40k series?

In my opinion its Khorne, what do you guys think?

I dont think a chaos god is that much stronger than the other... i believe they are in a vicious cycle of balance? Where one gains terretory the other loses it.. if a chaos god becomes stronger than the other the balance would be disturbed and balance would be restored automaticly? I believe i read this somewhere.... dont know where.. Khorne might be stronger but Nurgle will never fall against him.. he just keeps on taking those hits

Any gods aside though.... Swarm Lord/Ezekyle Abbadon/Marneus Calgar/Eldrad Ulthwe/ Imotekh the Stormlord/ Ghazkull?... Hell any superboss from a codex is a match for another... Their specialties just lay somewhere else..

If Shadowsun doesnt kill Ghazkull on range and allows him to get up close she is a goner... Couple of good hits and ghazkull is... I dont think we can point at a model and say,... yuuuup hes the strongest...

I don't know where you got that idea from, but the way I know it is Khorne has been the strongest since the beginning of the game. Although Nurgle is older, as his aspects have existed longer, Khorne has become more powerful than anyone else simply on the amount of hating and war going on. The way I've known it, the pecking order is Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch, who alternate at points in time for 2nd, then Slaanesh, who is the weakest but still beats Khaine.

And no, Swarmlord wins out of all of those. He just respawns.

 Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:
I dont think a chaos god is that much stronger than the other... i believe they are in a vicious cycle of balance? Where one gains terretory the other loses it.. if a chaos god becomes stronger than the other the balance would be disturbed and balance would be restored automaticly? I believe i read this somewhere.... dont know where.. Khorne might be stronger but Nurgle will never fall against him.. he just keeps on taking those hits

This is correct... well, nearly. It's in the Daemons Codex. Basically, when one Chaos god gains a significant advantage over the others, they will put aside their differences just long enough to bring them down a peg, then squabble over the spoils. One god may flux over the others but it's never for long.

I believe Khorne is noted as *physically* the most powerful, in other words he's the strongest and most skilled should it come to a one-on-one fight, but in the realm of the Chaos gods this is rarely the case. Also remember that part of their power is expended in creating Daemons and in getting them to the material universe, and they rely on these Daemons spreading Chaos in their name to return a profit on that investment.

Regardless - it's not any of the Chaos gods. As was already mentioned, the Ork Codex states that both Gork and Mork are much more powerful than the Chaos gods, simply through the sheer number of Orks that exist. It's arguable that the Emperor could have been more capable than the Chaos gods too whilst active if he was able to keep the Astronomican going *and* take part in his own massive crusade, but now? No chance.

Cegorach (not sure on spelling?) certainly isn't the most powerful, he's mentioned as avoiding direct confrontation with Slaanesh (and I believe Khaine too, in the past) because he couldn't win such a fight. Instead he works sneakily, undermining Slaanesh without giving him a chance to retaliate. Strangely, this is at odds with the fluff that says he battles Slaanesh for the soul of each Harlequin Solitaire. But even if the latter is true this only puts him on a par with a Chaos god that the Ork gods already outclass.

I think, for that matter, we can also rule out *any* of the Eldar gods as Khaine was touted as the most powerful of them - and indeed, in a martial way as Khorne is - and Slaanesh beat him one-on-one. On his own terms, in other words.

^ Where did Slaanesh whoop khorne ? ty

Slaanesh beat Khaine, not Khorne.

Khorne is the most powerful. You can even find that on the website when buying Khorne daemon packs.

This is direct power, though Khorne's so directly powerful that he doesn't directly fight the other gods because his power could ike, explodify the entire realm of chaos.. If one were to consider indirect power (political power, manipulaton power, ability to change things), it'd arguably be Tzeentch that's the most powerful. Tzeentch is the one that facilitates the aliances of the gods and crafts the plans, etc, so in a way, Tzeentch could be considered the leader, at least when the gods can be bothered to team up together. It's said that the entire realm of chaos exists as a tangible realm (as opposed to the formless wastes) because Tzeentch crafted it as such.

.....it's really probably easiest to just confine it to direct power. In which case allegedly Gork and Mork are stronger than Khorne (together. Individually might be a different story, but it's arguable that those two aren't even separate individuals. As an aside, one canon "interpretation" of chaos is that the Chaos gods are all just aspects of one individual, too. You could say he just has a really REALLY chaotic personality and that the Great Game is metaphorical)

The main problem with trying to compare warp entities like the Chaos Gods to physical entities like the C'Tan is that the two follow completely different laws of physics. That's like trying to compare a monster with 55 strength in one RPG system compared to a monster with 235 Attack Power in another. If you were to hypothetically yank a chaos god into the material realm to fight the C'Tan, that'd be an unfair battle for the Chaos god. If you were to somehow yank a C'Tan into the warp to fight a Chaos god, that'd be an unfair battle for the C'Tan (...actually, the C'Tan would probably just die instantly if you somehow pulled that off. The chaos god meanwhile after being yanked into the mortal realm would evaporate back into the warp instantly without a suitable vessal)

It's fairly obvious the Chaos gods have got the current C'tan *shards* beat. In that sense, they're only about as much of a god as an Avatar - who was once part of Khaine. If a Chaos god were somehow to squeeze into the material universe, even accounting for the loss in power they'd still be *many* times more powerful than the Greater Daemons they can already create. They'd have no trouble smashing apart one tiny little bit of what used to be a proper god... it'd be like squashing an ant.

Also, Tzeentch can't really be held as getting that much indirect power from all his scheming - since half the time, he screws himself over too... or does he?

JUST AS PLANNED.

Tzeentch screwing himself over only affects his present day direct power (including the size of his realm within the realm of chaos). By "indirect", I mean in terms of political power (It's Tzeentch that tends to lead the other gods when they come together) as well as knowledge and smarts (Yea, Tzeentch doesn't have his magic staff so he can't directly blow everyone up, but his knowledge puts him in position to pull off and manipulate things the other gods can't).

Khorne might be that big athelete who could snap Tzeentch like a twig, but Tzeentch is both that puppet master that pulls the strings (or alternatively, that leader you might not even know you're serving), as well as that scientist that knows how to build a nuclear bomb (and just as importantly, how to manipulate the situation into getting him the resources to do it). Khorne has more servants than Tzeentch on paper, but Tzeentch has countless amounts of servants that don't even know they're serving him, including perhaps Khorne himself.

 kinratha wrote:
Marbo.

falling that, Hive mind

Saying the hivemind is powerful is like saying the internet is powerful. It controls a vast number of systems, but it can't get up and punch me in the face.

Dump and run poster, doesn't even care to debate...just trolling out the fanbois.

It is a foolish question from a foolish person, which there is no way to answer. Enough said.

When its all said and done... the real most powerful entity is Saint Celestine.

Farseer Faenyin wrote:Dump and run poster, doesn't even care to debate...just trolling out the fanbois.

It is a foolish question from a foolish person, which there is no way to answer. Enough said.

I agree. The Chaos Gods are essentially forces of nature (Who would win in a fight, a volcano or a tsunami?), Gork and Mork might not even be real, the God Emperor/Primarchs have the most controversial portrayal ever, the Eldar Gods barely get any attention, and the C'tan Shards are written to be vague enough so that players can make their own.

The answer is clearly the Commander Farsight.

Warlord Kettri son of Egil. Of the Squats.

.GW chairman/women

 LoneLictor wrote:
Gork and Mork might not even be real

What makes you think that? Just because they aren't brought up as much as the Chaos gods?