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So I got some imperial guardsmen in a trade. They were in absolutely the west condition imaginable. The painting was terrible, no mold lines were removed, and they were slapped together with no attention to detail. Guys with beyonetts on their guns had bayonets in their holsters. Packs were glued in all kinds of crazy places etc. The question is why bother with 40k if you are going to take expensive models and just ruin them like that. There are plenty of other games like 40k with much cheaper models and even pre painted models. So why would you bother with 40k?

Just personal traits. Not everybody has the same attention to detail, not everybody places value on a good looking miniature.

Other than people not knowing any better, I'd offer this - nobody starts as a good modeller. Some people have more of a talent for it, but some people don't, and everybody's got to start somewhere.

Look back at the first models you ever put together. Are they well painted? Are they completely correctly assembled? are all the mould lines completely shaved off?

Nobody starts perfect. Few even start decent. Most people start most things awful.

ITT: We belittle people who are less skilled than we, and feel superior.

 curran12 wrote:
ITT: We belittle people who are less skilled than we, and feel superior.

I don't mean to belittle anybody. Some people just don't care so much about that aspect of the hobby, and that's fine.

Though yes, inexperience can also be a factor. When I was in the hobby for a short time as a kid, I couldn't bring myself to properly attempt the faces on my IG, so I just smothered them in Dwarf Flesh and called it done.

 Troike wrote:

I don't mean to belittle anybody. Some people just don't care so much about that aspect of the hobby, and that's fine.

Though yes, inexperience can also be a factor. When I was in the hobby for a short time as a kid, I couldn't bring myself to properly attempt the faces on my IG, so I just smothered them in Dwarf Flesh and called it done.

Wasn't intended for you, more for the OP.

I remember my early modeling days, when impatience and a lack of supplies made me use hot glue to put minis together. Heck yeah.

When I was 13 and first started getting into 40k, I didn't bother to clean off mold lines or prime the models (I just painted directly onto them). I take a lot more care in putting together my models now.

Some people are in the hobby to just play the game and honestly it really doesn't matter if you clean the mold lines off or prime the models before painting when you are standing 3 feet back looking at a gaming table.

rothrich wrote:
So I got some imperial guardsmen in a trade. They were in absolutely the west condition imaginable. The painting was terrible, no mold lines were removed, and they were slapped together with no attention to detail. Guys with beyonetts on their guns had bayonets in their holsters. Packs were glued in all kinds of crazy places etc. The question is why bother with 40k if you are going to take expensive models and just ruin them like that. There are plenty of other games like 40k with much cheaper models and even pre painted models. So why would you bother with 40k?

Because it was his/her money... and they were his/her models at the time.. Hope that helps

rothrich wrote:
They were in absolutely the west condition imaginable.

Whats wrong with the west?


I can see 2 possibilities

1: The person put them together when they where VERY young. (god knows when i was a kid sticking bayonets grenades all over the damn thing was the coolest thing ever)
2: The guy has arthritis and poor eye sight and you should feel bad for judging them

I just tried to fix one of the earlier models i did (well i had done a squad of scourges which while very underdone still look nice) and i sat there going how did I manage to make it look so mangled and disgusting but my newer stuff looks much better and that's only a year or so of change so everyone just needs time give them a break

West condition possible? First thing I thought of was this

My favorite one of these is when you get secondhand Space Marines and the grips on their bolters haven't been cut off, so you have dudes holding the grip to the bolter with the grip to the bolter resting on top of the hand that is already holding, you guessed it, the grip to a bolter.

And, naturally, the worse assembly you're seeing, the better chance there is that it was put together with plastic glue. Not saying people who use plastic glue are bad at assembly, but most poorly assembled models I've gotten were assembled with it.

Some people also get so excited about models that they put them together first, then check the Codex to see if the weapons combos make any sense. Then they sell off squads that you can't use unless you buy another squad to make two with legal weapons options.

 Brother SRM wrote:
My favorite one of these is when you get secondhand Space Marines and the grips on their bolters haven't been cut off, so you have dudes holding the grip to the bolter with the grip to the bolter resting on top of the hand that is already holding, you guessed it, the grip to a bolter.

And, naturally, the worse assembly you're seeing, the better chance there is that it was put together with plastic glue. Not saying people who use plastic glue are bad at assembly, but most poorly assembled models I've gotten were assembled with it.

QFT. The worse the modelling, the higher the chance that the model is stuck together with plastic glue. I don't consider it a successful purchase of second hand models until I stab myself at least once trying to rip them apart. As I play CSM I consider it a re-sanctification of the models for my use by bathing them in my own blood.

Overall I wouldn't be too mad. Looking back at my early attempts to assemble tanks I just have to laugh at what I did to those poor models.

I've done some really, really horrible work in my today, so I can't complain. I've seen some really terrible work, too, and I've just come to accept that some people aren't as on fire about a lovely army as I am, and that's fine.

Someone please elaborate on the problem w/ plastic glue.

Edit: I just looked it up... crap...

*takes a saw to the hurricane bolters of a land raider crusader*

 curran12 wrote:
ITT: We belittle people who are less skilled than we, and feel superior.

ITT: we confuse "skill" with "caring about your models". Yes, some people assemble their stuff badly because they don't have the skill to do better. But let's be honest here, a lot of people assemble their stuff badly (and then treat it badly so that everything ends up broken) because they just don't give a about it.

Yes, when people first start modeling, they have to start somewhere, and you would rather have them painted then not at all, and hell if you know yours look like absolute crap. When I first started, I painted mine and built mine like that. Heck, I was proud I got them painted. Now I look back and am like, those are some of the worst painted eldar I had ever seen

I am sorry, but sometimes there are true horrors. I bought some Destroyers that looked perfect on the pic but once they arrived and I saw some details I just thought "Why?". It makes no bloody sense that after spending money on models, you'd just, ya know, murder them.

Unless he's under 10 when he got them, I don't see any good explanation for this.

Well, Peregrine did give a good reason "they just don't give a about it."

Wow.

I suck at painting, and I'm not good at modelling either.

This thread doesn't make me want to get better.

Who the f*** are you people to judge other people's models?

Gwyidion wrote:
Wow.

I suck at painting, and I'm not good at modelling either.

This thread doesn't make me want to get better.

Who the f*** are you people to judge other people's models?

We're people buying them, generally, so we can judge however much we like. Nobody's saying you need to be a Golden Daemon winner here, we're just kind of talking about how a lot of the time when you get models secondhand, they're in pretty dire shape.

Gwyidion wrote:
Who the f*** are you people to judge other people's models?

I am Peregrine, Judger of Models and I will judge your models however I like.

 Peregrine wrote:

Gwyidion wrote:
Who the f*** are you people to judge other people's models?

I am Peregrine, Judger of Models and I will judge your models however I like.

Listen well, for Peregrine hath spoken.

I bought a battlewagon off of a kid who comes to my club who I'm pretty sure is autistic. It had a deffkopta glued to the top and a wartrakk glued to the back. Various wheels and gear had been cut off and reglued in stupid placed with hot glue.

I just laughed, as I effectively got three models for the price of one once I broke them off.

 djphranq wrote:
Someone please elaborate on the problem w/ plastic glue.

Edit: I just looked it up... crap...

*takes a saw to the hurricane bolters of a land raider crusader*

It's not so much a 'problem' with plastic glue as a problem with plastic glue, inexperience and overenthusiasm.

The model assembled with a dozen random gubbins glued to its head using about half a tube of gunge(tm).

The advantage of superglue here is that it is soooo much easier to disassemble a 2nd hand model put together with superglue (unless they also used half a tube on it).

 Dakkamite wrote:
I bought a battlewagon off of a kid who comes to my club who I'm pretty sure is autistic. It had a deffkopta glued to the top and a wartrakk glued to the back. Various wheels and gear had been cut off and reglued in stupid placed with hot glue.
I just laughed, as I effectively got three models for the price of one once I broke them off.

You completely managed to mis-spell every single word in "I'd foolishly ruined this masterpiece Kustom Stompy Shoota wid Xtra Stuff". I'd love to play against that Battlewagon.
...with the Deffkopta on top, does it class as a skimmer?

I still have my first 40K models lying around they're SM with IG arms and the left arms don't even touch the guns.

They sound remarkably similar to the large pile of second-hand Guardsmen I bought cheap. Luckily, I had enough bits to get them all in good order. I think some of them might have two bayonets, but hey, it can't hurt their chances.

Either they are new to the hobby (and hence extra-enthusiastic without the skill to match) and the models reflect that, or they genuinely don't care about the painting and modelling side of life (so 3 colours and the right wargear is fine by them).

All this talk about mold lines is embarrassing, I've never filed one in my life ...

bought some assault marines that were just drowned in plastic glue. kid must have used the full tube on 15 marines. one marine was covered nearly head to toe in a half inch thick layer of plastic glue.

took my wire cutters to that pile of crap, luckily I could still salvage most of the legs and the jump packs, aka the expensive parts.

its was also comical to see devlan mud applied to bare plastic. I guess they heard it will make the model look awesome, so they tried it.

When you need 80 of those dudes and they are just ablative wounds for your hvy weapons or special weapons , why care how they look ? All they need is those 4-5 colors that are enforced for tournaments and they are ready . Everything else is just a bonus to the game .