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Something a bit lighter.

The Marine Corp is thinking of new hat designs in this era of sequestration and budget unpheaval! The old hat was apparantly too large, and new slimmed down version was required to appeal to all members, male and female; of the service. The new hat does not "valiantly try to cover all angles" like the old version. An additional downside is that "it looks like the French!" and no one wants that!



Here is some links:

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/article/20131021/NEWS07/310210028/Marine-Corps-seeks-feedback-universal-cover-men-women

http://nypost.com/2013/10/23/obama-wants-marines-to-wear-girly-hats/

http://www.mcrc.marines.mil/4thmcd/News/NewsArticleDisplay/tabid/16019/Article/137773/cover-controversy-to-be-resolved.aspx

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That new cover is actually based on one of our older designs. However this story's BS.

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-marines-girly-hats-2013-10

There's a big story getting passed around in military circles and beyond from The New York Post that President Obama wants the Marines to start wearing 'girly' caps.

The Post writer, Jeane MacIntosh, writes of a "plan by President Obama to create a 'unisex' look for the Corps, officials are on the verge of swapping out the Marines’ iconic caps – known as 'covers' — with a new version that some have derided as so 'girly' that they would make the French blush."

As a Marine veteran who knows how these changes actually happen, I can tell you the story is 100% B.S. The bottom line: The President doesn't involve himself in what troops happen to be wearing.

But just to make sure, I called Headquarters Marine Corps and a spokesperson confirmed that the process for making changes to Marine uniforms hasn't changed since I last left the service in 2010.

Every year, a board (made up of senior enlisted Marines) meets and goes over things that they may want to change with uniforms. In 2007 for example, the board made a change that outlawed "sleeve" tattoos — and I don't remember thinking that was all President George W. Bush's fault.

"The President in no way, shape, or form directed the Marine Corps to change our uniform cover," said Capt. Maureen Krebs, a spokesperson for the Marine Corps. "We're looking for a new cover for our female Marines for the primary reason that the former manufacturer went out of business. The Marine Corps has zero intention of changing the male cover."

If there's someone to blame about a change in a uniform, the buck would stop at Marine Commandant Gen. James Amos, who has the final say.

To clarify, I made sure to ask whether President Obama had suddenly joined the uniform board of the Marine Corps.

"Not that I know of, but that would certainly be newsworthy," Krebs said.

There's plenty of things to nitpick with the Obama administration, but this isn't even close to one of them.



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Well, okay the part about the President is BS, but from the Marine Corp Times there is a process underway headed by Gen. Jim Amos.


Common dress blues uniforms for Marines, regardless of gender, could be on the horizon pending results of a multimonth wear test underway at Marine Barracks Washington, D.C.

Women stationed there have been wearing men’s white dress covers since the start of this year’s parade season. A select few also are wearing a modified version of the male dress blues jacket featuring its distinctive mandarin-style collar trimmed with the Corps’ gold eagle, globe and anchor insignia.

The experiment began quietly this spring, an initiative led by the commandant, Gen. Jim Amos, and the barracks commander, Col. Christian Cabaniss, said Capt. Jack Norton, a spokesman there. After Aug. 31, the end of parade season, Cabaniss will solicit feedback from the women who tested out the new gear.

For now, only women will be surveyed, Norton said.

It’s unclear how the Marines’ feedback will be collected, he added. It will be compiled into a report and submitted to Amos, who for now appears to be keeping his distance from the wear test. His spokesman, Lt. Col. Wesley Hayes, declined to discuss the matter or answer questions about it.

The uniform experiment comes as the service continues to introduce changes aimed at improving gender equality, most falling in line with the Defense Department’s mandate to open more jobs to women. For instance, starting next year, female Marines will be required to perform pullups on their annual Physical Fitness Tests, as men do, and the service is developing “gender-neutral” physical standards that will become part of Marines’ job requirements. Additionally, officials are making a concerted effort to put more women in key leadership roles.

And “as we’re re-evaluating the role of women in the Marine Corps as a whole,” Norton said, “we’re also re-evaluating the uniforms that are being used.”

How the wear test works
During Friday Evening Parades aboard 8th and I and Tuesday Sunset Parades at the Marine Corps War Memorial in nearby Arlington, Va., women on the parade field working in a hosting capacity wear the female blues uniform with the men’s round white dress cover instead of the taller narrow-frame cap current regulations prescribe, Norton said. The handful of women serving as parade deck staff — including 8th and I’s top enlisted Marine, Sgt. Maj. Angela Maness, and the parade staff commander, Maj. Sarah Armstrong — wear the male dress blues jacket, as well as the men’s cover.

The traditional female version of the dress blues jacket has a blazer-style lapel collar with white dress shirt visible underneath. It has a tailored fit but no belt.

By contrast, the men’s jacket is more boxy, with a short stand-up collar, brass buttons down the center of the chest, and a belt — white for enlisted Marines and blue to match the jacket for officers. For the dress blue-white uniform, worn frequently for ceremonies at Marine Barracks Washington, a belt extending across the chest also is worn.

For this summer’s wear test, jacket modifications have been limited mostly to tailoring for fit, Norton said. The breast pockets with their brass-button accents also were removed on the enlisted version of the blues jacket worn by Maness.

“What we’ve done is take the male blues jackets that we have in our warehouse inventory and tailor them to fit women,” he said. “Going forward, there may be a need to develop a new female jacket from start to finish, but we don’t know at this point.”

Marine Barracks Washington was selected as a testing ground for the potential uniform changes, Norton said, because the Marines stationed there have so many occasions to wear the dress blues. Many of the 1,200 Marines on post don the Corps’ snappiest and most recognizable uniform at least twice a week during the summer for the parades, which show off the Marines’ marching bands and ceremonial units.

Past resistance to change
If a unisex dress blues jacket and cover are adopted for use across the Marine Corps, it would be a small change compared with many recent developments for female Marines — but likely a controversial one nonetheless. Previous efforts to change the dress uniform for women have met opposition from male and female Marines alike.

In 1999, for instance, the Marine Corps Uniform Board asked 14 women at 8th and I and Marine Corps Base Quantico, Va., to wear test skirts featuring scarlet “blood stripes” along the sides. Reactions were mixed, though some women strongly objected, calling the hips accent unflattering.

“Not all women are shaped the same way,” one of the testers, Maj. Carolina Fermin-Knuth, told The Washington Post following the experiment. “I don’t think stripes on a skirt do any woman a favor.”

Ultimately, then-commandant Gen. Charles Krulak nixed the proposal, saying through a spokeswoman that the overall reception to the new look had been poor.

Then, in 2002, the Marine Corps Uniform board again mulled changes to the female blues uniform to make it more like the male version, including the addition of the white belt and adding more red piping to frame and accent the jacket. Female Marines complained then that the changes made their uniforms unfeminine and accentuated potential problem areas.

“They’d have to make the coat longer because otherwise, you’d have a lot of women with their butts sticking out,” Gunnery Sgt. Rita DeSanno told Stars and Stripes.

The measure was voted down, and the commandant concurred with the board’s findings.

In 2005, Marine Corps Systems Command employed a different approach, polling female Marines across the Corps for their feedback on a proposed dress blues coat featuring the stand-up mandarin collar, but without the white belt, red piping on the sleeves or upper breast pockets.

Again, reviews were harsh. In Japan, 90 percent of female Marines voted against the proposed changes to the dress uniform, according to Marine Corps reports from the time. Overall, 68 percent of female respondents and 59 percent of total respondents voted against the change.

Amos and uniforms
Since becoming commandant in 2010, Amos has implemented some significant changes to the Corps’ uniform regulations, most aimed at making troops appear more fit and professional.

In 2011, for instance, Amos made waves by ending the practice of rolling the sleeves on Marines’ desert camouflage utility uniforms. More than 60 percent of troops surveyed voted against making the change, but the Marine Corps Uniform Board overrode their feedback and approved it anyway.

This year, as part of a continued effort to evaluate professional appearance and root out overweight Marines, Amos made the “bravo” or “charlie” service dress Friday’s uniform of the day for stateside troops not in the field.

Not all of Amos’ uniform updates have been more restrictive, however. In late 2011, he reversed a controversial ban on so-called KIA bracelets that honor fallen service members. At the time, commands had started cracking down on Marines who wore them in breach of the service’s uniform regulations. When troops complained, Amos stepped in, acknowledging the “strong bonds of fidelity that Marines have for one another, especially for those Marines who we have lost.”

Amos has been seen since wearing a KIA bracelet himself.


http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/article/20131021/NEWS07/310210028/Marine-Corps-seeks-feedback-universal-cover-men-women

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General Amos is the Commandant, he is not leading this process directly. Uniform changes are a regular function of the uniform board yearly.

However it is worth noting that the Marine Corps Times is NOT formally affiliated with the DoD or the Marine Corps.

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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
General Amos is the Commandant, he is not leading this process directly. Uniform changes are a regular function of the uniform board yearly.

However it is worth noting that the Marine Corps Times is NOT formally affiliated with the DoD or the Marine Corps.


Oh, that is interesting. Is it to keep its "journalistic integrity" in place, so it can not be formally linked to the actual chain-of-command?

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Nope. It's just a shill tabloid that focuses on military issues to sell papers.

The official "Hard Hitting" official DOD news source that has full authorization to do what media does (meaning they aren't speech restricted) is Stars and Stripes.

Interestingly the "girly cover" shown is apparently based on this old school number, seen here worn by SgtMaj Dan Daly, two time Medal of Honor winner, Navy Cross recipient, etc.


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 Frazzled wrote:
They need pink berets. An military man enough to wear pink is an army to be feared.


They would probably turn pink into the manliest color ever.

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 TheDraconicLord wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
They need pink berets. An military man enough to wear pink is an army to be feared.


They would probably turn pink into the manliest color ever.


It already is.

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 Frazzled wrote:
They need pink berets. An military man enough to wear pink is an army to be feared.


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Why does it matter if it is to girly(It isnt) A marine will still know 7 ways to kill you with his pinkie toe

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Some say the hats look 'girlie, some say the hats look 'French'.
It's not so much about what this says about the USMC, but what it says about the French.

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Why does it matter if it is to girly(It isnt) A marine will still know 7 ways to kill you with his pinkie toe

You have to understand, Marines serve their whole careers under the shadow of the certain knowledge that Navy uniforms look far better.
   
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 Seaward wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Why does it matter if it is to girly(It isnt) A marine will still know 7 ways to kill you with his pinkie toe

You have to understand, Marines serve their whole careers under the shadow of the certain knowledge that Navy uniforms look far better.

They do?

I thought that Marine's uni looks sharper and more iconic. *shrugs*

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Does it really matter what hat they get when they're dressed like that? I'd think they'd be more serious about what protective things they wear when they have to dress like this:

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The hat isn't important, it's what's under it that counts.

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Hat hair?

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 whembly wrote:
 Seaward wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Why does it matter if it is to girly(It isnt) A marine will still know 7 ways to kill you with his pinkie toe

You have to understand, Marines serve their whole careers under the shadow of the certain knowledge that Navy uniforms look far better.

They do?

I thought that Marine's uni looks sharper and more iconic. *shrugs*

Don't you guys still wear...bell bottoms...


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No. If the Corps wanted Marines to have hat hair, they would have been issued it.

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When did you quit?

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
Bonnet.
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i think the word you are looking for in relation to this areticle is Kepi with some silly French accent marks.

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Probably work

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hat
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a shaped covering for the head worn for warmth, as a fashion item, or as part of a uniform.

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It's called a cover, Maggot.

 
   
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Is this one of those "elevator/lift" things?

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