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 Boblogik wrote:
I was in a platoon with my buddy using his tier 5 so that was for that one but the DW2 gets stuck in tier 6/7 matches regularly without platooning and even when platooning with my buddy's tier 4 TD. I think if I had the DW2 in proper matches of tier 4's, I wouldn't be in such a bad position... Oh wells. As you said, I best just take it until I get 10k more xp and go to the VK30.01H

Like others have said your DW2 should never see tier 7's unless you platoon with a tank a tier higher then you or with a tank that gets scout match making.

Normal vehicles in WoT's will only ever see vehicles two tiers higher then them.
Vehicles with scout match making will see vehicles three tiers higher then them (except for the chaffee which can get into tier 10 games).
Premium vehicles will only see vehicles one tier higher then them.

This is all asumming that your running solo and not platooned with a vehicle of a higher tier or one that gets scout match making. To be slightly more specific if anyone cares, not all scout match making is the same, it's actually weighted. Scout match making actually veries from vehicle to vehicle but it's really only the percentage of time that a vehicle will see certain tiers. For example (not 100% sure that the percentages are correct but they should be close enough to show my point) the AMX 13 75 is a tier 7 French Scout, 10% of the time it will be in tier 7 games, 20% of the time it will be in tier 8 games, 60% of the time it will be in tier 9 games and 10% of the time it will be in tier 10 games.

The DW2 is right up there with the worst tanks in the game... None of the tier 4 tanks are perticularly good, but the DW2 is a special kind of bad. It's almost as bad as the M3 Lee. It does have one strong point though and thats that the armor is pretty much a uniform 50mm all the way around the tank. It's basically a metal box with treads and a turret and because of this you can be very effective by angling your armor 45 degrees from your enemy. Best of luck with the gun though...

It will all be worth it once you get the VK though, that tank has some excelant gun options.

 motyak wrote:
Don't go the waffentrager line...so goddamn broken.

It's broken pretty evenly though. Amazing guns, but they might as well not have an armor value.

 motyak wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:

 motyak wrote:
Don't go the waffentrager line...so goddamn broken.

It's broken pretty evenly though. Amazing guns, but they might as well not have an armor value.

Yeah, but you get one shot off at them for, what, 3 of theirs? 4? With crazy pen and damage? If they were all like the tier 8 then it wouldn't be too bad, but the auto loader just kills it and puts it over the top. But I don't want to gripe too much, this should be a fun thread for people learning to play Sorry for derailing it a bit

Personally I'd rather be in my T110e3 or e4. Auto loaders are great... Until their empty. Correct me if I'm wrong but that beast has close to a miniute reload time.

 motyak wrote:
Yeah I think one of the guns is a minute on the dot. I recently unlocked the Tortoise, so I'm finally on the way to my 183. Ahhh I can't wait. And I can't really complain about broken ass guns when I'm working towards that monster

I just started working my way up that line, I'm only tier 6 though. Atleast with the 183 you only carry 13 rounds...

The At 8 was a tough grind, glad I'm done with it.

 motyak wrote:
My AT 15 is well acquainted with that thrice-cursed auto-loading French arty piece. I wish I was able to play arty well enough to get it ha. I'll have to settle for working my way up to the bat chat medium.

Either that or you can work your way up the American autoloader line, although I think the grind through the T21 might actaully kill me.

The French line leading up to the Batchat is actually pretty fun. In the right circumstances the AMX 12T can be a nasty little tank and it only gets better from there.

 motyak wrote:
Nice game. One can only carry so much...

Unless your in a American Tier 7 heavy tank or higher then played right you can carry most anything.

I played a bit last night and I decided to unlock the American Tier 5 & 6 heavy tanks. Looking back I'm really glad I went the Sherman to Sherman Jumbo to T29 route...

 Palindrome wrote:
The whole front section of the hull is the glacis plate so it its part of the superstructure then I would imagine thats what it would be called. Its not really the armour itself there that's the issue there, its the vision block and MG port.

I got into the Warthunder Ground combat beta and its not really the game that I thought it was. I was under the impression that it would basically be WoT but prettier, its not really.

Its a lot more of an arcade game, even the 'simulation' battles, and the matchmaking is even worse than WoT (just how is a Pz II supposed to kill a KV-1?). The tank models are very nice though and I think that my favourite thing about them is how the driver obviously shifts gears making the tank lurch in a realistic and pleasing manner.

Hmm, I was under the impression that WoT's was actually the arcade style game, Ground Forces being the much more historically acurate game given their tanks lack of health pools.

I played the beta for a bit, it's not my type of game though.

Has everyone seen the upcoming T34 event?

100k XP in tier 4 and up vehicles for every nation gets you a free T34. There is also a mission that rewards free garage slots up to 5 times. I also think I remember seeing something about 100 gold garage slots.

 motyak wrote:
What? Link?

Unfortunatly I'm at work and can't give you one. Now that I think about this though, it might be a North American only event.

 motyak wrote:
Eh I play on the NA servers anyway. I asked my mate who normally tells me about all these things and he sent me the link

http://worldoftanks.com/en/news/22/operation-t34/

So I'll probably end up with a free garage slot and (maybe) 2 days premium. Not bad.

It's a pretty long running event plus I belive it's going to overlap with Memorial Day weekend which is usually a 5x weekend.

 motyak wrote:
Oh yeah, I don't expect to get that in the least. I do expect to get a garage slot and maybe the premium once/twice as a very, very outside chance.

For the the American, British and Russian parts won't be that hard especially if I can count on my daily doubles. The Chinese and Japanese might actually kill me though.,..

 motyak wrote:
I lack a Tier 4 in German, Japanese and Russian, and I just don't think it's worth it to grind out tanks that I don't think I'll really enjoy just to get a tank that I didn't buy when I did buy my Tier 8 premium.

I bought my T26E4 fairly early on mostly when I was playing mainly medium tanks, it was my highest tier vehicle at the time... Then I unlocked the T29, T32 and M103 and saw that the T34 is what I was hoping the T32 was. I've never been able to convince myself to buy another Tier 8 premium tank though. Don't get me wrong I've had some amazingly fun games in my Super Pershing, but the gun is definatly lacking.

The German line has some odd spots especially at Tier 4. I definatly recommend trying to skip over the DW2 using free xp, but the VK 30.01H fully upgraded is a lot of fun. My favorite German tank so far is my Luchs, it shares a special place with my TOG2, it's just so much fun to use.

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah, the douchewagon2 is pretty universally hated.

I still enjoyed it more then the M3 Lee grind. Both tanks suck, but both tanks bring you two an awsome Tier 5.

 Melissia wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah, the douchewagon2 is pretty universally hated.

I still enjoyed it more then the M3 Lee grind. Both tanks suck, but both tanks bring you two an awsome Tier 5.

True, I suppose. I sitll haven't managed to grind past the lee, mind you.

It was rough. When I did it I didn't have any free XP at the time, it was the first tree I went up.

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah, while I played it 'I tended to do that. Even put a camo net on it, for what little good that did.

It's base camo rating is pretty bad though. I put the M3 Lee in the same position as the T25 AT, there is no reason for it to exsist.

 motyak wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah, while I played it 'I tended to do that. Even put a camo net on it, for what little good that did.

It's base camo rating is pretty bad though. I put the M3 Lee in the same position as the T25 AT, there is no reason for it to exsist.

Sure there is. M4 drivers deserve to suffer for running with that damn derp gun all the time

90% of the time I run my M4 with the 76mm. The 105mm derp only comes out sometimes on weekends when I go noob hunting only firing premium ammo... I'm a bad bad man.

 Palindrome wrote:
The Kv-2 is still the undisputed king of seal clubbing. It doesn't even require gold rounds (in fact its gold rounds are rather pointless).

I think I will start on the Us heavy line so its back to the M3 Lee for me, only 14k exp to unlock the T1

I don't really like the KV-2, it's one of those vehicles I just don't get excited about... I'd rather play my T-150.

If you want to go down the American heavy tank line don't bother with the T1 Heavy or the M6. Instead unlock the M4 and M4A3E2 and take those to the T29. The only benefit to unlocking the M6 is that you'll start the grind on the T29 with the 90mm gun unlocked. In my opinion thats not a good enough reason to suffer through the T1 Heavy and the M6. I might be slightly biest though, the M4A3E2 (Sherman Jumbo) is hands down my favorite tank in the game.

 Palindrome wrote:
I never liked my T-150 much, it just doesn't have much going for it in my view. My KV-2 has been a staple of my game since with was the KV-1. Its not as good as it used to be and it has some glaring weaknesses but one shotting people (even tier VIIs..) is just too much fun.

I have unlocked (but never used) the Jumbo mostly because I never liked the M4 much. The M6 seems like quite a decent tank though, if nothing else its pretty bouncy and I like bouncy tanks.

I bought a Jumbo (its a lot less grindy if I can sidestep tier 5 entirely) and I'm not that impressed with it. Its armour is decent(ish) but not that good and its gun isn't particularly inspiring, the second 76mm does get a nice ROF buff but I am finding the first 76mm to be very bouncy and it has identical pen and damage. The worst thing about it though is that I am nearly constantly in tier 8 games and the Jumbo is completely hopeless in those situations. It can't pen most things and even if it does it does negligible damage (I managed a whole 7% on an STA-1) and it may as well be unarmoured.

As usual with WoT the matchmaker really does its best to leach all the fun out of the game.

The T-150 is a nice middle ground for me, it's not as fast and manuverable as the KV 1S but it's slightly better armoured. I tend to have problems over extending myself with fast tanks and the slower T-150 keeps me from doing this. It's the same reason why I prefer my Jackson over my Hellcat. Sure there may be a vehicle with less cons, but this is one of those times when a con is actually a pro in my case.

I think it just boils down to I'd rather have reliable consistent damage then have the ability to maybe one shot something.

In the M6 don't plan on reliably bounching anything larger then a 76mm.... The Jumbo is actually better armored then the M6(and most other tanks in it's tier), you just have to make sure your angling the massive target that is it's upper plate. The Jumbos biggest weakness is actually the same weakness the M6 has, it's turret front... Both can be reliably penetrated by most things it's tier and higher.

The M6 does get the 90mm which is nice when your the top tier in a match but in my opinion doesn't scale particularly well. To be honest if I had to use either gun in a tier 8 match I'd pick the 76mm over the 90mm. The rate of fire on the 76mm is fantastic, I can get off 3 to 4 shots for every one the 90mm fires. In the Jumbo when your in tier 6 and 7 games you can use it's armor and play similarly to a heavy tank. Once you go up to tier 8 just pretend that it doesn't have armor and play it like a medium. I've done really well with the 76mm in higher tier games, right now I'm grinding my way through the T21 so I can get the T71 and I've had a couple tier 8 games where I've done 2500 to 3000 damage.

 Palindrome wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:

I think it just boils down to I'd rather have reliable consistent damage then have the ability to maybe one shot something.

The KV-2 has an extremely reliable damage output. Its DPS isn't great and the 152mm has hopeless accuracy (but against stationary targets it is accurate enough, my KV-2 has several sniper medals) but its extremely rare for shells to bounce, if it hits something it will damage it, usually severely and it does a lot of module damage as well. Even if you miss you can still do damage, I once killed a Hetzer by hitting the tank next to it

Its the ultimate support tank, it will lose to most things 1 Vs 1 but played intelligently just behind the front line it can, and does, win games.

I found the T-150 to be too similar to the KV-1 so I sold it.

The Jumbo sees far too many tier 8 games...

To each their own, I'm just not a fan of derp. I know that the KV-2 is a powerful tank and that people enjoy it a lot, but it's just not for me and my play style.

The T-150 is similar to the KV-1, thats why I like it. It's a good all around tank and builds on what the KV-1 laid out.

My Jumbo doesn't see that many Tier 8 games, I played 10 games in it last night and only got into 1 game with Tier 8's... I'll have to see if i can find it's actual Match Maker formula.

I started down the Japanese tech tree last night in an effort to get something going to the T34 event... Man am I underwhelmed by Japanese tanks...

 Palindrome wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:

The Jumbos biggest weakness is actually the same weakness the M6 has, it's turret front... Both can be reliably penetrated by most things it's tier and higher.

The stock turret has 150mm of armour all round (250mm on the mantlet), thats 30% thicker than the tier IX Patton and is pretty much impenetrable as it doesn't really have any weakspots, even the cupola has 150mm of armour. I'm not going to bother upgrading the turret given that the top gun's only benefit is a slight ROF increase.

I'm still not enjoying this tank as it sees too many tier 8 games which it simply can't handle. It is however amazing at tanking on reverse slopes, I just held off 4 tier VIIs and a KV-2 on the lakeville pass for a suprisingly long time before their arty got me.

It's still better then the M6... The American heavy line doesn't get good until you've fully unlocked the T29. You can do some amazing things in the T29 when you get it hull down. The T32 is just and upgrade of the T29 and is a bit underwhelming, mostly due to it's gun.

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah, WoT is anything but balanced. But it's definitely not pay to win.

Especially since premium consumables can all be bought with credits.

 Palindrome wrote:
I have now had 3 sessions with the Jumbo and I have not had 1 enjoyable match. Yes it is well armoured but its gun is hopeless and when in higher tier games even its armour isn't any good. It doesn't help that I seem to always end up in gak teams either.

Have you fully unlocked it yet?

 Palindrome wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:


Have you fully unlocked it yet?

Near enough. I'm not going to bother with the 'top' turret so I'm staying with the 1st 76mm which is identical to the 2nd except a slightly slower ROF. It can take hits well if it can find its way into a good position, although it is quite vulnerable if flanked, but its effective dps is just too low. Basically I'm not very impressed with it

I think I'm going to talk a WOT sabbatical though as the match maker is annoying me too much.

There are actually a bunch of hidden stats that make the second gun a substantial improvement over the 1st 76mm. Mostly though it's that the second gun has a substantially better dispersion within the aiming circle... The second gun is more likely to have the shot actually land in the center of the aiming circle then the first 76mm.

Welcome to well armored American tanks... Apparently American tank building doctrine during the 40's to 60's didn't belive sides and backs of tanks actually exsisted.

The alpha damage of the American 76mm is very low, but the DPM is actually really high. It's much better then the American 90mm. You've got to keep the gun working to get any substantial amount of damage out of it though.

 SickSix wrote:
I have got back to tankning. Got my IS but didn't have enough free xp to upgrade the gun. So it sucks fighting tier 7+ with that 85mm.

I love my Russian heavies. I have the KV-1, KV-1S, and KV-2. Haven't decided whether or not to get the T-150 yet or not. I have it researched. But having all three Tier 6 tanks seems a little overkill.

What I am disappointed in is that I spent free xp on upgrading the Hetzer and I got the deep gun. I hate it. So now I need to grind to get the upgraded 76 mm.

I only currently own a KV-1 and T-150, I've unlocked the KV-2 and KV-1S. I like the T150 alot but I'm in no rush to push past it because whatever it unlocks won't be nearly as good as my T29.

I spent most of my free XP awhile back to unlock my ELC AMX and AMX 12T...

 Ruberu wrote:
Off work for the next two days so I am going to start working on the a-44 (I thinks thats what it is called) for the on tracks event. Also going to continue the grind to unstock my KV-4. Need to work on my Jagdpanther 2 some more so I can replace it with the at-15 I unlocked a long while ago. I try to keep the number of same tier/type tanks down so I dont get over loaded.

I was thinking about going down the a-44 line, it might be pretty easy to pair with my grind for a free T34.

Hopefully this weekend I can finish off the 100k XP needed for the Russians and the Germans, which would leave me with just France, Japan and China to finish off.

 Boblogik wrote:
Had a great game last night in my 3002m. I got 7 kills (8 if you count an accidental team kill, shot went wide and blew up a poor friendly hellcat when I fired on the move). And I had a great game in my 3001h as well with a 6-kill game. Today stinks though, I couldn't hardly get a win. At least I keep in the top 10 and get a kill most games. MM seems to be paying me back 100fold for those 2 good games yesterday lol, throwing me in almost only tier 8 matches.

I think time of day has more to do with it then anything. When I'm off during the week I usually wait until 4 to 5 pm, when people are home from school and done with work for the day.

I really like my 30.01H, going from the DW2 to it was one of the sweetest transitions I've encountered yet in this game.

 Boblogik wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:

 Boblogik wrote:
Had a great game last night in my 3002m. I got 7 kills (8 if you count an accidental team kill, shot went wide and blew up a poor friendly hellcat when I fired on the move). And I had a great game in my 3001h as well with a 6-kill game. Today stinks though, I couldn't hardly get a win. At least I keep in the top 10 and get a kill most games. MM seems to be paying me back 100fold for those 2 good games yesterday lol, throwing me in almost only tier 8 matches.

I think time of day has more to do with it then anything. When I'm off during the week I usually wait until 4 to 5 pm, when people are home from school and done with work for the day.

I really like my 30.01H, going from the DW2 to it was one of the sweetest transitions I've encountered yet in this game.

It was a great transition. Going from not penetrating anything and being killed super easy to being able to take hits and actually deal damage (the L/70 is even top gun on the 3002 if you're not familiar) was amazing. I kept my 3001 because I enjoy the tank and I intend to get the Tiger I at some point.

I'll have to remember that, I played early in the day today because I had the day off. Now that I think about it, you're right, my best games have been more often in the evenings.

Definatly, and I've also found that the matchmaker seems to be alittle easier on me later in the day...

I'm working my way up to a Tiger I, lack of credits is slowing me down though. I've got too many different lines I'm working on at once.

I have my T110E5 unlocked but I've never been able to hold onto 6 million credits to buy it, I also have the T20 (American Tier 7 medium) unlocked, and what ever comes after the Stug IIIG

 ace101 wrote:
Just joined up this past Friday, and as of Today my L.Track, T2, and M2 Med are elite and I have a Pimped M4 Sherman.

The M4 is a great tank and currently one of the prettiest with it's new HD model.