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 Catyrpelius wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah, the douchewagon2 is pretty universally hated.

I still enjoyed it more then the M3 Lee grind. Both tanks suck, but both tanks bring you two an awsome Tier 5.

True, I suppose. I sitll haven't managed to grind past the lee, mind you.

 Melissia wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah, the douchewagon2 is pretty universally hated.

I still enjoyed it more then the M3 Lee grind. Both tanks suck, but both tanks bring you two an awsome Tier 5.

True, I suppose. I sitll haven't managed to grind past the lee, mind you.

It was rough. When I did it I didn't have any free XP at the time, it was the first tree I went up.

Treat the Lee like a TD and it will do ok. Its got useless camo, a huge silhouette and dubious armour but at least its gun is reasonable.

Yeah, while I played it 'I tended to do that. Even put a camo net on it, for what little good that did.

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah, while I played it 'I tended to do that. Even put a camo net on it, for what little good that did.

It's base camo rating is pretty bad though. I put the M3 Lee in the same position as the T25 AT, there is no reason for it to exsist.

 Catyrpelius wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah, while I played it 'I tended to do that. Even put a camo net on it, for what little good that did.

It's base camo rating is pretty bad though. I put the M3 Lee in the same position as the T25 AT, there is no reason for it to exsist.

Sure there is. M4 drivers deserve to suffer for running with that damn derp gun all the time

 motyak wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah, while I played it 'I tended to do that. Even put a camo net on it, for what little good that did.

It's base camo rating is pretty bad though. I put the M3 Lee in the same position as the T25 AT, there is no reason for it to exsist.

Sure there is. M4 drivers deserve to suffer for running with that damn derp gun all the time

90% of the time I run my M4 with the 76mm. The 105mm derp only comes out sometimes on weekends when I go noob hunting only firing premium ammo... I'm a bad bad man.

The Kv-2 is still the undisputed king of seal clubbing. It doesn't even require gold rounds (in fact its gold rounds are rather pointless).

I think I will start on the Us heavy line so its back to the M3 Lee for me, only 14k exp to unlock the T1.

Apparently the Lee has the highest (potential) DPM of any tank up to tier V. Its good for something after all

 Palindrome wrote:
The Kv-2 is still the undisputed king of seal clubbing. It doesn't even require gold rounds (in fact its gold rounds are rather pointless).

I think I will start on the Us heavy line so its back to the M3 Lee for me, only 14k exp to unlock the T1

I don't really like the KV-2, it's one of those vehicles I just don't get excited about... I'd rather play my T-150.

If you want to go down the American heavy tank line don't bother with the T1 Heavy or the M6. Instead unlock the M4 and M4A3E2 and take those to the T29. The only benefit to unlocking the M6 is that you'll start the grind on the T29 with the 90mm gun unlocked. In my opinion thats not a good enough reason to suffer through the T1 Heavy and the M6. I might be slightly biest though, the M4A3E2 (Sherman Jumbo) is hands down my favorite tank in the game.

I never liked my T-150 much, it just doesn't have much going for it in my view. My KV-2 has been a staple of my game since with was the KV-1. Its not as good as it used to be and it has some glaring weaknesses but one shotting people (even tier VIIs..) is just too much fun.

I have unlocked (but never used) the Jumbo mostly because I never liked the M4 much. The M6 seems like quite a decent tank though, if nothing else its pretty bouncy and I like bouncy tanks.

I bought a Jumbo (its a lot less grindy if I can sidestep tier 5 entirely) and I'm not that impressed with it. Its armour is decent(ish) but not that good and its gun isn't particularly inspiring, the second 76mm does get a nice ROF buff but I am finding the first 76mm to be very bouncy and it has identical pen and damage. The worst thing about it though is that I am nearly constantly in tier 8 games and the Jumbo is completely hopeless in those situations. It can't pen most things and even if it does it does negligible damage (I managed a whole 7% on an STA-1) and it may as well be unarmoured.

As usual with WoT the matchmaker really does its best to leach all the fun out of the game.

 Palindrome wrote:
I never liked my T-150 much, it just doesn't have much going for it in my view. My KV-2 has been a staple of my game since with was the KV-1. Its not as good as it used to be and it has some glaring weaknesses but one shotting people (even tier VIIs..) is just too much fun.

I have unlocked (but never used) the Jumbo mostly because I never liked the M4 much. The M6 seems like quite a decent tank though, if nothing else its pretty bouncy and I like bouncy tanks.

I bought a Jumbo (its a lot less grindy if I can sidestep tier 5 entirely) and I'm not that impressed with it. Its armour is decent(ish) but not that good and its gun isn't particularly inspiring, the second 76mm does get a nice ROF buff but I am finding the first 76mm to be very bouncy and it has identical pen and damage. The worst thing about it though is that I am nearly constantly in tier 8 games and the Jumbo is completely hopeless in those situations. It can't pen most things and even if it does it does negligible damage (I managed a whole 7% on an STA-1) and it may as well be unarmoured.

As usual with WoT the matchmaker really does its best to leach all the fun out of the game.

The T-150 is a nice middle ground for me, it's not as fast and manuverable as the KV 1S but it's slightly better armoured. I tend to have problems over extending myself with fast tanks and the slower T-150 keeps me from doing this. It's the same reason why I prefer my Jackson over my Hellcat. Sure there may be a vehicle with less cons, but this is one of those times when a con is actually a pro in my case.

I think it just boils down to I'd rather have reliable consistent damage then have the ability to maybe one shot something.

In the M6 don't plan on reliably bounching anything larger then a 76mm.... The Jumbo is actually better armored then the M6(and most other tanks in it's tier), you just have to make sure your angling the massive target that is it's upper plate. The Jumbos biggest weakness is actually the same weakness the M6 has, it's turret front... Both can be reliably penetrated by most things it's tier and higher.

The M6 does get the 90mm which is nice when your the top tier in a match but in my opinion doesn't scale particularly well. To be honest if I had to use either gun in a tier 8 match I'd pick the 76mm over the 90mm. The rate of fire on the 76mm is fantastic, I can get off 3 to 4 shots for every one the 90mm fires. In the Jumbo when your in tier 6 and 7 games you can use it's armor and play similarly to a heavy tank. Once you go up to tier 8 just pretend that it doesn't have armor and play it like a medium. I've done really well with the 76mm in higher tier games, right now I'm grinding my way through the T21 so I can get the T71 and I've had a couple tier 8 games where I've done 2500 to 3000 damage.

 Catyrpelius wrote:

The T-150 is a nice middle ground for me, it's not as fast and manuverable as the KV 1S but it's slightly better armoured. I tend to have problems over extending myself with fast tanks and the slower T-150 keeps me from doing this. It's the same reason why I prefer my Jackson over my Hellcat. Sure there may be a vehicle with less cons, but this is one of those times when a con is actually a pro in my case.

I find myself doing the same thing in my vk3002m. It's actually quite fast and I don't realize how far I end up going until it's too late. I've been getting better about it though.

 Catyrpelius wrote:

I think it just boils down to I'd rather have reliable consistent damage then have the ability to maybe one shot something.

The KV-2 has an extremely reliable damage output. Its DPS isn't great and the 152mm has hopeless accuracy (but against stationary targets it is accurate enough, my KV-2 has several sniper medals) but its extremely rare for shells to bounce, if it hits something it will damage it, usually severely and it does a lot of module damage as well. Even if you miss you can still do damage, I once killed a Hetzer by hitting the tank next to it

Its the ultimate support tank, it will lose to most things 1 Vs 1 but played intelligently just behind the front line it can, and does, win games.

I found the T-150 to be too similar to the KV-1 so I sold it.

The Jumbo sees far too many tier 8 games...

 Palindrome wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:

I think it just boils down to I'd rather have reliable consistent damage then have the ability to maybe one shot something.

The KV-2 has an extremely reliable damage output. Its DPS isn't great and the 152mm has hopeless accuracy (but against stationary targets it is accurate enough, my KV-2 has several sniper medals) but its extremely rare for shells to bounce, if it hits something it will damage it, usually severely and it does a lot of module damage as well. Even if you miss you can still do damage, I once killed a Hetzer by hitting the tank next to it

Its the ultimate support tank, it will lose to most things 1 Vs 1 but played intelligently just behind the front line it can, and does, win games.

I found the T-150 to be too similar to the KV-1 so I sold it.

The Jumbo sees far too many tier 8 games...

To each their own, I'm just not a fan of derp. I know that the KV-2 is a powerful tank and that people enjoy it a lot, but it's just not for me and my play style.

The T-150 is similar to the KV-1, thats why I like it. It's a good all around tank and builds on what the KV-1 laid out.

My Jumbo doesn't see that many Tier 8 games, I played 10 games in it last night and only got into 1 game with Tier 8's... I'll have to see if i can find it's actual Match Maker formula.

I started down the Japanese tech tree last night in an effort to get something going to the T34 event... Man am I underwhelmed by Japanese tanks...

I had a better set of mm today with my vk30.02m. I was shocked, I got top tier or mid tier 50% of the time instead of 5%... needless to say, I had a good game day!

 Catyrpelius wrote:

The Jumbos biggest weakness is actually the same weakness the M6 has, it's turret front... Both can be reliably penetrated by most things it's tier and higher.

The stock turret has 150mm of armour all round (250mm on the mantlet), thats 30% thicker than the tier IX Patton and is pretty much impenetrable as it doesn't really have any weakspots, even the cupola has 150mm of armour. I'm not going to bother upgrading the turret given that the top gun's only benefit is a slight ROF increase.

I'm still not enjoying this tank as it sees too many tier 8 games which it simply can't handle. It is however amazing at tanking on reverse slopes, I just held off 4 tier VIIs and a KV-2 on the lakeville pass for a suprisingly long time before their arty got me.

 Palindrome wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:

The Jumbos biggest weakness is actually the same weakness the M6 has, it's turret front... Both can be reliably penetrated by most things it's tier and higher.

The stock turret has 150mm of armour all round (250mm on the mantlet), thats 30% thicker than the tier IX Patton and is pretty much impenetrable as it doesn't really have any weakspots, even the cupola has 150mm of armour. I'm not going to bother upgrading the turret given that the top gun's only benefit is a slight ROF increase.

I'm still not enjoying this tank as it sees too many tier 8 games which it simply can't handle. It is however amazing at tanking on reverse slopes, I just held off 4 tier VIIs and a KV-2 on the lakeville pass for a suprisingly long time before their arty got me.

It's still better then the M6... The American heavy line doesn't get good until you've fully unlocked the T29. You can do some amazing things in the T29 when you get it hull down. The T32 is just and upgrade of the T29 and is a bit underwhelming, mostly due to it's gun.

WoT in a nutshell

Well its the B1's fault for platooning with tier 10 tanks....

WoT is not a pay to win game though. Premium tanks are for the most part average and everything else can be bought with in game currency.

Yeah, WoT is anything but balanced. But it's definitely not pay to win.

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah, WoT is anything but balanced. But it's definitely not pay to win.

Especially since premium consumables can all be bought with credits.

I agree, definitely not pay to win. Not saying paying players don't get an edge though. I probably won't spend anything on the game except maybe perma camo for my favorite tanks one day.

I wish I could've played today though, missing out on 240000 credits is a bummer, especially since I only got a short bit to play yesterday. Just going to have to make up the difference tomorrow I finally slapped a gld and rammer on my vk 30.02 m so that's helpful and it's fully upgraded, now just working towards my panther. My buddy just got his tiger so I need to catch up.

i rather enjoy my panzer III Aussf A been annoying the heck out of people with it. but my panzer IV Aussf A is awful i never manage to get it to survive long. and WoT's isn't pay to win.

Why would you pay money tog et camo netting? It's like the cheapest thing to get... and it's permanent.

 Melissia wrote:
Why would you pay money tog et camo netting? It's like the cheapest thing to get... and it's permanent.

I think he means the tank painting, which also gives a camo rating, but costs gold.

Ah, that makes much more sense. Didn't know it gave camo rating though.

 Melissia wrote:
Ah, that makes much more sense. Didn't know it gave camo rating though.

Yeah, it's a minimal buff I think, a couple of % no more.

I found this searching the forums, not sure if it's accurate but sounds close to how I've had it explained to me

In many ways Paint works the same way as a net with a couple of differences. Light and medium tanks get a 3 point improvement to the base camo value, Heavy Tanks and SPG get a 2 point improvement and Tank Destroyers get a 4 point improvement. The key difference is that paint works while the vehicle is moving but its effectiveness when shooting is tied to the base camo of the tank. That means than an ELC AMX will get a 3 point improvement to camo rating when moving or stationary but only a 0.71 point improvement when shooting.

I have now had 3 sessions with the Jumbo and I have not had 1 enjoyable match. Yes it is well armoured but its gun is hopeless and when in higher tier games even its armour isn't any good. It doesn't help that I seem to always end up in gak teams either.

So basically that's how I felt about the T-50, except replace armor with speed

 Melissia wrote:
Why would you pay money tog et camo netting? It's like the cheapest thing to get... and it's permanent.

I meant paint camo, and only to make my tanks look good since the effect will be very little on the large hull of the panther and proto-panther...