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Because Ive been reading up on the new guard dex I picked up recently and im not really seeing any real reason to take a Taurox at all especially over say a Chimera.
Sure you get some more options and stuff but honestly what do you need beyond a cheap standard transport which the Chimera has covered, it can even carry more troops can't it?

Its cheap.

Its got one twin-linked gun, which I guess is nice for moving about quickly.

I'm not a fan. Saturating AV12 is better than saturating AV11.

That, and its ugly as sin.

I have 5 salamanders, and if I use them as chimeras, my army is way over 2k. As taurox (3 of them) & 2 taurox primes, I can come in at 2k. That's the advantage for me...

 krazynadechukr wrote:
I have 5 salamanders, and if I use them as chimeras, my army is way over 2k. As taurox (3 of them) & 2 taurox primes, I can come in at 2k. That's the advantage for me...

The difference between 5 chimeras and 5 tauroxes (two primes) is 35pts.

That's not much of a difference.

 Blacksails wrote:


That, and its ugly as sin.

Funny thing is I don't actually mind it...if it has some fixes. Remove all those god awful lion decals, give it some wheels and its a nice looking urban vehicle. Especially for police themed guard.
but seriously what has GW got against wheels.

 AtomicEngineer wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:


That, and its ugly as sin.

Funny thing is I don't actually mind it...if it has some fixes, remove all those god awful lion decals, give it some wheels and its a nice looking urban vehicle. Especially for police themed guard.
but seriously what has GW got against wheels.

Sure, but at that point, I'd rather just buy a 3rd party vehicle and skip GW altogether. Secret Weapon does a cool 6x6 that can work as a Taurox and looks a lot better, especially if you have a slightly techy feely Guard.

It does look better with wheels, but I still think its ugly as sin, and the wheels only make it...ugly as...a lesser sin.

The only thing the Taurox has over the chimera is that it's base turret gun is a bit better against medium vehicles. In every other way I can think of, it's worse.

 Blacksails wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
I have 5 salamanders, and if I use them as chimeras, my army is way over 2k. As taurox (3 of them) & 2 taurox primes, I can come in at 2k. That's the advantage for me...

The difference between 5 chimeras and 5 tauroxes (two primes) is 35pts.

That's not much of a difference.

but when you add extra armor, camo, etc... x5, it adds up.... anyways, if I ever show up at games, several people cry over someone having a 2009 or 2012 pt list! Imagine the rage a 2035 pt would cause!

 krazynadechukr wrote:
but when you add extra armor, camo, etc... x5, it adds up.... anyways, if I ever show up at games, several people cry over someone having a 2009 or 2012 pt list! Imagine the rage a 2035 pt would cause!

Oh, well if you're adding in a bunch of upgrades, then sure, but naked, its not that much. Its gets worse if you upgrade the Primes in any way, which can rapidly become 100pt coffins.

The Taurox wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for one thing.. fire points.

See, with Chimeras(which aren't much more expensive) you can just stand in front of your enemy making AV12 wall between your fancy Russes and your melta/plasma vets/heavy weaps can shoot out of them forward, Tauroxes on the other hand.. have firing points on the sides, so to shoot your special guns out of them you have to expose the wet paper AV10 flank to your enemy, which makes a gargantuan difference.

That and the fact that regular Tauroxes aren't Fast vehicles, so if you want to score some sweet side AV shots with them, you have to move slowly in comparison to Taurox Primes which are fast.

It seems that GW believed that people actually disembark their veterans to shoot at the enemy(and for that the Taurox would be slightly better), but we don't do that. We simply don't, because vets, even with grenadier doctrine are laughably easy to decimate, so it's even safer for us to keep them in Chimeras and have them exploded in the vehicle than to disembark them and shoot their puny lasguns in addition to those 2 special weapons that normally would shoot out of the top hatch. The only thing I can see Tauroxes work at is actually not taking them to transport anything, but to act as fairly mobile TL autocannon platforms. Think lighter and cheaper Predators with no sponsons, and with twin-linked gun.

But even then it's not a competitive choice and it's mostly going to be used in fluffy/fun/noob-friendly games due to it simply being worse than a Chimera and not cheaper enough for the cost to make a difference.

Taurox's seem like they were made for kill teams.

 Gitsmasher wrote:
Taurox's seem like they were made for kill teams.

How so?

I know in Kill Team, I'd rather have the versatility of ML/HF Chimera with better front armour.

 Blacksails wrote:

 Gitsmasher wrote:
Taurox's seem like they were made for kill teams.

How so?

I know in Kill Team, I'd rather have the versatility of ML/HF Chimera with better front armour.

Aren't vehicles prohibited in kill team anyway?

No you can take vehicles but armour can't exceed 33 points so 11/11/11 is the toughest vehicle.

The main advantage is that it's so shamefully ugly that your opponent will be reluctant to kill it, since the longer you have to be seen in public with one the more humiliation you suffer. Killing it allows you to put it back into the box and preserve your dignity.

The taurox isn't even a tank, waste of points.

 Crablezworth wrote:
The taurox isn't even a tank, waste of points.

no it's a APC.

So is the chimera, except it's an actual tank.

I tried justifying this to myself, but I also do not see why anyone would take this vehicle.

It's not fast, so why take lower armor?

It's not better armed, a twin linked autocannon is no better then two heavy bolters/lasers.

The fire points are terribad.

Rerolling terrain is similar to the chimera ignoring water....woo hoo? This ain't a land raider, i don't care if it's immobilized.

It doesn't hold as many passangers.

It's like they made it fast in development then said, woah guys this could be another special kit, lets up the chimera/vendetta points and then we will sell tons of these things! (Yeah no GW.)

I really don't understand this vehicle at all, GW has to be taking a horrendous loss on that kit.

That or armoured sentinels/chimeras with their 12/10/10 - still not 33

 sfshilo wrote:
I tried justifying this to myself, but I also do not see why anyone would take this vehicle.

It's not fast, so why take lower armor?

It's not better armed, a twin linked autocannon is no better then two heavy bolters/lasers.

The fire points are terribad.

Rerolling terrain is similar to the chimera ignoring water....woo hoo? This ain't a land raider, i don't care if it's immobilized.

It doesn't hold as many passangers.

It's like they made it fast in development then said, woah guys this could be another special kit, lets up the chimera/vendetta points and then we will sell tons of these things! (Yeah no GW.)

I really don't understand this vehicle at all, GW has to be taking a horrendous loss on that kit.

my personal theory is the taurox prime was designed first, and then GW was basicly "well the Imperial guard should have a crappier monkey version" this would explain why 90% of the promo art is of the Prime,

Yes. The chimera people will play against. where as with the Taurocks people will see, it and either give up and play someone using a prettier model, or have a medical issue come up. Either a heart attack or something of the like.

Am I the only one who likes the Chimera more because its profile is much shorter than that of the Taurox? Hey, a cover save is a cover save...

BrianDavion wrote:

 sfshilo wrote:
I tried justifying this to myself, but I also do not see why anyone would take this vehicle.

It's not fast, so why take lower armor?

It's not better armed, a twin linked autocannon is no better then two heavy bolters/lasers.

The fire points are terribad.

Rerolling terrain is similar to the chimera ignoring water....woo hoo? This ain't a land raider, i don't care if it's immobilized.

It doesn't hold as many passangers.

It's like they made it fast in development then said, woah guys this could be another special kit, lets up the chimera/vendetta points and then we will sell tons of these things! (Yeah no GW.)

I really don't understand this vehicle at all, GW has to be taking a horrendous loss on that kit.

my personal theory is the taurox prime was designed first, and then GW was basicly "well the Imperial guard should have a crappier monkey version" this would explain why 90% of the promo art is of the Prime,

I wouldn't be surprised if GW said "dammit, it has to be a dual kit!!!"

The prime is beyond insane in design, why in the hell would they mount the hot shot gun to the side of the truck?

 Crablezworth wrote:
The prime is beyond insane in design, why in the hell would they mount the hot shot gun to the side of the truck?

Right!?

The first thing I noticed (after I was done vomiting from the initial viewing) was how silly the side autocannons or hot shot volley guns (silly name for a gun too).

Reverse engineering ork technology = fail lol

The only thing I can think of for a Taurox would be a flanking team. with the high ST gun to hit the sides and rear of the enemy or for a prime to fire missiles into them....

But otherwise even in that I would still use a chimera. that AV12 makes a massive difference.

I suppose there is a reason for a Taurox.... Not sure what it could possible be, but there has to be a reason for it.

And as for Hot-Shot guns, I miss just calling them Hellguns.

I think it was a derpy attempt at doing some kind of MRAP, forgetting that MRAPs aren't actually battlefield vehicles...