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Hey all,
I quite enjoy running deathstars, regardless of their ability to actually win a game. A unit just wreaking whatever it touches, especially in CC, is a lot of fun; more fun than winning I think. Thus, I'm wondering who/what is the best CC deathstar? In order to make the comparisons accurate, let's say the requirements are
-no more than 600 points per unit,
-you can assume that psychic buffs are successful/psykers get the powers they need, and
-the unit gets the charge

The underlying questions, then, are straightforward: why is the unit the best? How do they survive the slog over to get into CC? What makes them so potent in CC?

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As an example, a star I quite like is the harlequin+farseer star.

10x Harlequins, Shadowseer, 10x Kisses
Eldrad

The shadowseer gets veil to get the harlequins over to the fight, and Eldrad supports with Fortune, Doom, and Prescience. If I have the points, I'll even add a spiritseer for Runes of Battle to make it that much more powerful.

So the whole star has to be under 600pts?

Beast star is good, 4 masters 20 kyhmeras and jetseer.

Though harlequins are good too.

600 points is ~the value that the harlestar is run at (though any deathstar can be run with more or less points) so I figure keeping the points similar will help me keep things on the same playing field.

Most of the deathstars are going to be throwing out invisibility in this edition. It simply prevents other units from even having a chance at killing you. Your harliestar is only coming in at ~450, leaving you points for another farseer, or possibly a spiritseer. Another option would be taking the baron with DE allies.

I would actually throw in fugan, the baron doesn't do much for you other then a 2++ while fugan will take out tanks letting you assault the juicy targets inside.

Thunder Hammer + Storm Shield Terminators with Invisibility cast on them.

This does to ...well every other unit in the game what a combine harvester does to a chicken; grinds them up so fine you could inhale the afterwards.

Angron, 10 red butchers, invisibility liby, win.

Any Deathstar that actually reaches combat...

IMO, it doesn't have to be the killiest, it either needs to soak and survive enemy firepower, or be mobile enough to catch the enemy.

I'd have to pick a reasonable sized SeerStar or ScreamerStar.

Autarch, mantle, jet bike, power maul 130
farseer, jet bike 115 (x2)
autarch, jetbike, power maul 100 (x2)

40 points for upgrades. go for prescience and misfortune with the farseers, and if got, go for hammer hand. Can make a nasty and fun unit

Deathwing knights+librarian(pfg)+deathwing landraider

Or 10 DWK in Spartan assault tank probably closer to 700pts

kingleir wrote:
Deathwing knights+librarian(pfg)+deathwing landraider

Or 10 DWK in Spartan assault tank probably closer to 700pts

Pre heresy dark angels need to hurry the @#+%* up

4 Thunderwolf lords + allied white scar bike CM for hit and run and Tiggy for invisibility attached to some fenresian wolves.

this is more than 600 points, but i love it:

hok, wrath, axe, juggernaut, greater ether blade
hok, axe of khorne, juggernaut, greater etherblade x3
20 flesh hounds

be'lakor throwing invis on them.

a big red wagon wiv a deffrolla, filled wiv ded 'ard nobz in 'eavy armor, sportin' power klawz and a waaagh! banner, accompanied by a painboy, and maybe a warboss...

50 Conscripts, Xenos Inquisitor with both grenades that is level 1 for misfortune(dat rending against wraith knights), 2 priests for re-roll hits as well as armor and wounds.

150 for conscripts
Xenos is about 85
2 priests is 50
Level 3 grey knight with hammerhand,sanctuary and 4+ invul for unit. 200 or so

About 500 points of "cant touch this"

Add a Hereticus Inquisitor with Null Rod.

They are now psyker-immune.

 obsidiankatana wrote:
Add a Hereticus Inquisitor with Null Rod.

They are now psyker-immune.

True but then I would have to give up hammerhand, sanctuary, and the 4+ invul. I think conscripts with a 3+ re-rollable invul save is better than worrying about being casted on at effective strength 6(+2 str from hammer, -1 from rad grenades). Actually make that a 4+ re-rollable and give them invis instead of sanctuary

Still, 100 attacks re-rolling hits and wounding on twos against most targets with rending. Not gonna lie, looks pretty legit and TOTALLY legal in a one combined arms, one allied detachment

 Leth wrote:

 obsidiankatana wrote:
Add a Hereticus Inquisitor with Null Rod.

They are now psyker-immune.

True but then I would have to give up hammerhand, sanctuary, and the 4+ invul. I think conscripts with a 3+ re-rollable invul save is better than worrying about being casted on at effective strength 6(+2 str from hammer, -1 from rad grenades). Actually make that a 4+ re-rollable and give them invis instead of sanctuary

Still, 100 attacks re-rolling hits and wounding on twos against most targets with rending. Not gonna lie, looks pretty legit and TOTALLY legal in a one combined arms, one allied detachment

Do tell, when Inquisitorial Detachments allow you to literally just take an inquisitor. And max at two.

Big stack of death company with Lemartes is still pretty mean. 10 black knights with an allied iron hands chapter master with shield and night shroud hanging around us tough.

Not really a death star but I like Karandras in scorpions for the double claw or in a pile of wraithblades. That claw of his just murders things.

 obsidiankatana wrote:

 Leth wrote:

 obsidiankatana wrote:
Add a Hereticus Inquisitor with Null Rod.

They are now psyker-immune.

True but then I would have to give up hammerhand, sanctuary, and the 4+ invul. I think conscripts with a 3+ re-rollable invul save is better than worrying about being casted on at effective strength 6(+2 str from hammer, -1 from rad grenades). Actually make that a 4+ re-rollable and give them invis instead of sanctuary

Still, 100 attacks re-rolling hits and wounding on twos against most targets with rending. Not gonna lie, looks pretty legit and TOTALLY legal in a one combined arms, one allied detachment

Do tell, when Inquisitorial Detachments allow you to literally just take an inquisitor. And max at two.

GK, primary.......
1x Xenos, check
1x GK librarian check
Allied IG
2x priest check
1x conscript squad, check

 Leth wrote:

GK, primary.......
1x Xenos, check
1x GK librarian check
Allied IG
2x priest check
1x conscript squad, check

Take Inquisitorial detachment as well. Not allied, not Combined Arms, does not require Unbound. The digital Codex: Inquisition allows for an Inquisitorial Detachment of 1-2 Inquisitors, 0-3 Henchment Squads.

Ooh, ooh, ooh! I know a good one!

 xlEternitylx wrote:
-no more than 600 points per unit,

... aww, never mind.
*puts away Necron Royal Court Disco Inferno*

10 TH/SS Terminators with a Level 2 TDA Librarian with a Force Axe/SS rolling on Telepathy. Make them Iron Hands for the 6+++.

575pts. Add Digital Weapons/Melta Bombs to Librarian at will.

 skoffs wrote:
Ooh, ooh, ooh! I know a good one!

 xlEternitylx wrote:
-no more than 600 points per unit,

... aww, never mind.
*puts away Necron Royal Court Disco Inferno*

Yea I was sad because I wanted to bring out the Death company hammer squad of death.

30 death company, all with jump packs and double hammers.

 Leth wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
Ooh, ooh, ooh! I know a good one!

 xlEternitylx wrote:
-no more than 600 points per unit,

... aww, never mind.
*puts away Necron Royal Court Disco Inferno*

Yea I was sad because I wanted to bring out the Death company hammer squad of death.

30 death company, all with jump packs and double hammers.

What's 3000 points in a single unit these days when gw tries to raise the point levels with every edition?

 Dantioch wrote:

 Leth wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
Ooh, ooh, ooh! I know a good one!

 xlEternitylx wrote:
-no more than 600 points per unit,

... aww, never mind.
*puts away Necron Royal Court Disco Inferno*

Yea I was sad because I wanted to bring out the Death company hammer squad of death.

30 death company, all with jump packs and double hammers.

What's 3000 points in a single unit these days when gw tries to raise the point levels with every edition?

When has GW ever raised the points levels? All they do is decrease the costs of things, in effect they do the opposite unless you want to use more toys.

In reality it is tournaments who set the points levels.

Not points limits per say, but by introducing larger units, bigger monstrous creatures and stuff like escalation and double force org you pretty much want to play bigger games to take advantage of the stuff in you codices.

I think a D Lord with MSS, semp weave, an overlord with MSS, weave, orb and scythe, two lords with MSS, weave, scythes and two lords with MSS, weave and void blades (exactly 600pts) is good against most smaller number deathstars (not any kind of blobs, obvs - but 6 MSS is pretty brutal...

Kharn and a Crimson Slaughter Lord with Daemonheart and the Blade, accompanied by 4 Chaos Khorne Terminators in a Land Raider with a Dirge Caster so you cant even fight back as they get out and charge your face. Then, if that's not evil enough, Force their Fear Check because your lord is a Daemon. Womp Womp. Welcome to WS 1 kiddies.

Swarmlord with 3 guard, prime with boneswords and scything talons. if swarmy gets catalyst and paroxysm they're pretty hard to kill and they wreck in CC