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I know there's already a poll out there that has a similar discussion but I felt like it excluded a few options

My friend for example constantly raves about his vampire Lord.. obviously completed kitted out, he supposedly can take on anyone, he's not bothered about who duels him, or what charges him, he'll win. I don't know the setup but it's what he tells me

I'd just like to know what you.. as a community, feels is the most powerful Lord. Be it a chaos Lord, or a slann. What encounter has left you with a burning passion towards a foe!

Thank you for any stories

Well I can only say for the Army I play, but this would be the most kick ass Chaos Lord I can think of.

Chaos Lord.
Mark of Tzeentch
Barded Daemonic Mount
Helm of Many Eyes
Talisman of Preservation.
The Other Trickster's Shard
Third Eye of Tzeentch
Soul Feeder
Flaming Breath
Halberd

413 points on a Speed 7 mount. 5 ASF attacks at Strength 6 Initiative 7, once per game 2D6 S4 flaming attacks. For every wound he inflicts he gets to roll a D6, on a 6 he regains a would. Enemy units re-roll successful invun saves when in base contact. Toughness 5 with a 1+ armour save and a 3+ ward save which re-rolls 1's.

Vampire lords are certainly the best at chewing through rank and file, but nothing beats the above Chaos Lord for single target pwnage merged with good durability.

 welshhoppo wrote:
Well I can only say for the Army I play, but this would be the most kick ass Chaos Lord I can think of.

Chaos Lord.
Mark of Tzeentch
Barded Daemonic Mount
Helm of Many Eyes
Talisman of Preservation.
The Other Trickster's Shard
Third Eye of Tzeentch
Soul Feeder
Flaming Breath
Halberd

413 points on a Speed 7 mount. 5 ASF attacks at Strength 6 Initiative 7, once per game 2D6 S4 flaming attacks. For every wound he inflicts he gets to roll a D6, on a 6 he regains a would. Enemy units re-roll successful invun saves when in base contact. Toughness 5 with a 1+ armour save and a 3+ ward save which re-rolls 1's.

Most people do something similar but with a disc of tzeentch instead, he becomes much more mobile. Zipping around where needed.

A Dwarf lord can probably match the Chaos lord's durability... but yeah, the Chaos lord pwns pretty much anything.

 Throt wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:
Well I can only say for the Army I play, but this would be the most kick ass Chaos Lord I can think of.

Chaos Lord.
Mark of Tzeentch
Barded Daemonic Mount
Helm of Many Eyes
Talisman of Preservation.
The Other Trickster's Shard
Third Eye of Tzeentch
Soul Feeder
Flaming Breath
Halberd

413 points on a Speed 7 mount. 5 ASF attacks at Strength 6 Initiative 7, once per game 2D6 S4 flaming attacks. For every wound he inflicts he gets to roll a D6, on a 6 he regains a would. Enemy units re-roll successful invun saves when in base contact. Toughness 5 with a 1+ armour save and a 3+ ward save which re-rolls 1's.

Most people do something similar but with a disc of tzeentch instead, he becomes much more mobile. Zipping around where needed.

Whilst that is true, it downgrades his armour to a terrible 2+. Unless you give him a shield he can use at range.

DoC ultimate beatstick option:
Keeper of Secrets w/Eternal Blade + Lesser Gift + Lv4 Lore of Slaanesh

S/he can stand toe-to-toe with pretty much any 'uber beatstick character. If you subscribe to the very dubious RAW view of being able to gain ASF just by having the Sword of Swift Slaying, then you have a WS/I10 monster with up to 9 attacks at S9. Otherwise rewards like Cleaving Blow or the breath attack are solid add-ons. (and you could also just gain natural ASF anyways)

Lv4 Slaany spells gives you almost guaranteed access to Cacophonic Choir which is easily the game's single most broken spell. 1st turn it's pretty much just throw 6 dice to auto-delete all enemy chaff in range, while also screwing over any unit that suffers at least 1 casualty with Random Movement D6.



Only downsides are;
- Cost. A fully tooled Greater is expensive as feth, yet rather fragile all thing considered.

- Requires a screening unit to avoid cannonballs, Bolters, etc...

That tzeench chaos Lord sounds beasty. Is that pretty much the optimal load out for a chaos Lord? Someone mentioned you can give a chaos Lord a sword that every time you cause a casualty the guy explodes and does D6 strength 4 hits to the unit? Imagine a khorne Lord wailing on a unit of skaven slaves popping left right and centre hahahsh

Nurgle demon prince with all the toys.

End of discussion.

How do you mean with all the toys?

Andy140491 wrote:
That tzeench chaos Lord sounds beasty. Is that pretty much the optimal load out for a chaos Lord? Someone mentioned you can give a chaos Lord a sword that every time you cause a casualty the guy explodes and does D6 strength 4 hits to the unit? Imagine a khorne Lord wailing on a unit of skaven slaves popping left right and centre hahahsh

That would be the hellfire sword. 65 points of ignoring armour and smacking you in the face if you roll a one at the start of the turn. The only problem is the cost, leaves little room for defensive items seeing as the lord doesn't have a natural ward save or ASF.

I'd love to use that hellfire sword just for that concept though would be even tastier on a unit of sword masters or executioners

Combining Mark of Tzeentch, 3rd Eye of Tzeentch, and Tal.of Preservation, is the most unfair and cheating move you can do in a WH game.
I never give a handshake to players who do this.

Andy140491 wrote:
I'd love to use that hellfire sword just for that concept though would be even tastier on a unit of sword masters or executioners

Its certainly a fun idea, but bare in mind that each casualty only explodes on the roll of a 6 and that at the end of your turn it causes a wound on the role of a 1 to the bearer with no armour saves.

 thedarkavenger wrote:
Nurgle demon prince with all the toys.
End of discussion.

+1

Mark of Nurgle, Chaos Armour, Wings, Sword of Striking, Dragonbane Gem, Charmed Shield, Scaled Skin, Soul Feeder, 4 Wizard Levels on Death magic. Add Chaos Familiar and/or Flaming Breath if your TFG quota hasn't already been filled. Prepare to have no friends anymore...

Andy140491 wrote:
How do you mean with all the toys?

Scaly skin, charmed shield, sword of striking, breath weapon, soul feeder and peripherals. Take the vamp blender lord, he hits this prince on 5s with no rerolls. Whereas the prince then slaps him back on 3s.

KeyserSoze wrote:
Combining Mark of Tzeentch, 3rd Eye of Tzeentch, and Tal.of Preservation, is the most unfair and cheating move you can do in a WH game.
I never give a handshake to players who do this.

This is, I think, the 4th or 5th perfectly legal thing you have labelled cheating now. Not shaking hands with your opponent after a game says more about you than them.

Ahhh I didn't realise that it was only on a 6 that it explodes. I thought it was every wound lmao!

Yeah the tzeench Lord ward save is only a combination. I think it would be unfair and unsporting to not shake someone's hand for simply utilising his book.

Using these build on a Lord it's the equivallent of playing football and using 2 goalkeepers. Would you like to play against it?

KeyserSoze wrote:
Using these build on a Lord it's the equivallent of playing football and using 2 goalkeepers. Would you like to play against it?

No, it's absolutely not. Using that build would be like selecting your best goalkeeper instead of your 2nd or 3rd best one. Playing with Net-builds or WAAC lists can be called many things. Cheating is not one of them.

My friend says that way stalkers and wild riders have been banned from local tournaments because they're deemed as 'unfair' even though I play against him I don't disallow it. If it's in his book I deal with it. I may get annoyed and call him names and sulk at work for the next week but it's legal. So sack up and do what we all do and moan, blame bad dice, and deal with it

Andy140491 wrote:
So suck up and do what we all do and moan, blame bad dice, and deal with it

Lag... Definitely Lag.

I like Lord of change with Eternal Blade, and ASF, hopefully getting treason of TZ to allow him to get hopefully dig out of steadfast combats.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

Andy140491 wrote:
How do you mean with all the toys?

Scaly skin, charmed shield, sword of striking, breath weapon, soul feeder and peripherals. Take the vamp blender lord, he hits this prince on 5s with no rerolls. Whereas the prince then slaps him back on 3s.

An Eternal Beatstick Keeper still cracks him, especially if you or any event you're in allows the rather dubious 'combine it with the ASF sword' ruling.

alex87 wrote:

Andy140491 wrote:
So suck up and do what we all do and moan, blame bad dice, and deal with it

Lag... Definitely Lag.

My hand lagged mid way through rolling ^^

How does the keeper beatstick work then? And aside from one on one combat with the price are there more drawbacks??

Andy140491 wrote:

alex87 wrote:

Andy140491 wrote:
So suck up and do what we all do and moan, blame bad dice, and deal with it

Lag... Definitely Lag.

My hand lagged mid way through rolling ^^

How does the keeper beatstick work then? And aside from one on one combat with the price are there more drawbacks??

The Eternal Blade adds +D3 to the Kipper's WS/I/S/A at the start of each combat phase. So he's automatic WS/I10 all the time, and averages S8/A8 or better 66% of the time.

The Lesser Gift he'll carry can be used to default to the ASF sword if into that argument that "the bearer has ASF" means he gets the rule even when not actively using the blade. Otherwise you just aim for rewards such as Cleaving Blow, (gain Multiple Wouns (2) special rule), Unnatural Swiftness (gain ASF outright), Noxious Breath (S2 ignores armour Breath weapon) or even Crushing Mass in a pinch (D3 Impact Hits).

Add to Lore of Slaanesh for Caco which is a Hex and can gank the Nurgle Prince with 2D6 hits that wound on a strait 4+ with no armour saves and inflicts ASL if even a single wound is suffered.


Kipper is hands down the game's best beatstick Lord for sheer damage output. His downfall is only being T6/5++ and the existence of the Super Skillful Banner.

Super skillfull banner? i dont quite know what that is...

I dont know, whilst it sounds good, having a 3++ re rolling ones makes it quite tough to kill... whilst only have the 5++ in return, i think you could sway it either way to be honest...

Experiment 626 wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:

Andy140491 wrote:
How do you mean with all the toys?

Scaly skin, charmed shield, sword of striking, breath weapon, soul feeder and peripherals. Take the vamp blender lord, he hits this prince on 5s with no rerolls. Whereas the prince then slaps him back on 3s.

An Eternal Beatstick Keeper still cracks him, especially if you or any event you're in allows the rather dubious 'combine it with the ASF sword' ruling.

There's no two ways about the ruling. It's concrete in the FAQ.

Any weapon that provides a latent bonus, is always active, even if you're not using it.

So you use the ASF sword, and get the bonuses from the Eternal Blade.

Also, it depends on the roll of the combo. If you don't kill the prince before he strikes, the kipper is dead.

Andy140491 wrote:
Super skillfull banner? i dont quite know what that is...

Sarcastic nickname given to the HE Banner of the World Dragon by players who don't know how to cope with it.

To be fair, Experiment is a Daemon player. 'Coping with it' largely amounts to abandoning large areas of the battlefield and playing keepaway for 6 turns because it's going to win every single fight it enters. The only real options are rolling against the HE players magic defense for Slaaneshii Hexes, or sacrificing 60pts a turn in chaff if he didn't elect for High Magic.

50pts is a steal for that banner even before we consider that an entire army has magic attacks.

Yeah I could imagine it sucks for daemon players to have to deal with an item like that :/ non the less.. surely it would have been FAQ'd if it was too much if a problem?

Regarding the keeper. I still think as far as kick ass Lords go it still sounds like chaos Lords are topping the charts. It's striking the balance between survivability and deadlyness. Dwarf Lords can be tough, and daemon Lords can be deadly, but neither both, whereas the chaos Lord can be, and I think, from what I've been told, the only close comparison is a vamp Lord, although I'd love to think an ogre tyrant could best both in killing power! It's a damn ogre Lord!