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Yeah Nagash wins this now. Full stop end of conversation. He isn't unbeatable but 1 on 1 no one could beat him I think.

Goblin Warlord.

...because only he can make a Goblin army playable!

I still think that the chaos warrior Lord is the best. Personally. But then a concept wise I'd love to think a black orc warboss or an ogre tyrant could be pretty strong. (Stat wise obviously not) but for the concert would be brill

It's definitely Nagash now that his rules have been leaked.

One on one. I'd venture that a Empire wizard lord of life on griffon with van horstsman's speculum, a 4+ ward and sword of striking would have a shot.

 Acardia wrote:
One on one. I'd venture that a Empire wizard lord of life on griffon with van horstsman's speculum, a 4+ ward and sword of striking would have a shot.

Dreadlord with Hydra Blade! Finally! A use for that item!

How about Helbron the ultimate glass cannon? If not mistaken a potential 9 strength 10 asf reroll failed to wounds.

canadianguy wrote:
How about Helbron the ultimate glass cannon? If not mistaken a potential 9 strength 10 asf reroll failed to wounds.

It has a good potential to kill your opponet right out of the gate

Kholek Suneater.

He mathematically wins everytime.

However blender vamps especially on dragons, High elf princes on dragons. Demon princes, all are killers

I'd you can dodge combat a Ghoul King on a terrorgheist, with scabscratch, dragongem. The double scream will kill almost everything, however if you pin him in combat he's done, however if he can avoid it then he'll mop up

Probably worth a different thread but how about most cost effective lord choices for what they do?

I know if I could say heroes I'd probably say warlock engineers. You can take one for 15 pts without a wizard upgrade or anything and give it gear. Excellent as item carriers and in some cases when you have to throw some disposable idiot out to cast cracks call, a brass orb, doom rocket or death globe with skitterleap they do it best. You can even use them as disposable chaff for marching out of a unit and forcing an enemy to be re-directed with a warlock. Aside from sniping characters with spells or specific shooting attacks they can't even be targeted really.

Seriously I've heard about using warlocks as chaff and it's so cheap to do. You could probably take a dozen without gear just to be a jerk and keep them in units for a good portion of the game and then march them out to re-direct later in the game. I find warhammer fantasy hard sometimes but I just can't see how that tactic would ever make sense in reality. It just seems so stupid (a single dude with nothing special ruining movement of an entire unit of rank and file troops).

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Probably worth a different thread but how about most cost effective lord choices for what they do?

I know if I could say heroes I'd probably say warlock engineers. You can take one for 15 pts without a wizard upgrade or anything and give it gear. Excellent as item carriers and in some cases when you have to throw some disposable idiot out to cast cracks call, a brass orb, doom rocket or death globe with skitterleap they do it best. You can even use them as disposable chaff for marching out of a unit and forcing an enemy to be re-directed with a warlock. Aside from sniping characters with spells or specific shooting attacks they can't even be targeted really.

Seriously I've heard about using warlocks as chaff and it's so cheap to do. You could probably take a dozen without gear just to be a jerk and keep them in units for a good portion of the game and then march them out to re-direct later in the game. I find warhammer fantasy hard sometimes but I just can't see how that tactic would ever make sense in reality. It just seems so stupid (a single dude with nothing special ruining movement of an entire unit of rank and file troops).

The best use for warlocks is a 15 point champion upgrade. After the orb/condenser caddies.

Warpsolution wrote:
@zinogre: I've never seen the Virtue of the Ideal on the table, actually. It's always Heroism and Confidence.

Know what's better than any Bretonnian Lord, though? The Prophetess sitting behind the Lord and his two Paladins, giving them each +3S and +3A.

@ALEXisAWESOME: Nagash...is a character, now? What?

Nagash was always a character. It's just that up until now, his rules were obsolete.

Warpsolution wrote:
Know what's better than any Bretonnian Lord, though? The Prophetess sitting behind the Lord and his two Paladins, giving them each +3S and +3A.

But the idea of a Bret Lord clotheslining a dragon to death is just more entertaining. HKB is the best for mental pictures.

slaan mage priest.... with like 50 templeguard to soak up wounds, cause were apparently now facing down a chaos lord.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Nagash was always a character. It's just that up until now, his rules were obsolete.

That's just silly. But yeah, I would assume he wins the Overall Most Badass Lord Choice In Warhammer Fantasy competition.

Warpsolution wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Nagash was always a character. It's just that up until now, his rules were obsolete.

That's just silly. But yeah, I would assume he wins the Overall Most Badass Lord Choice In Warhammer Fantasy competition.

No. That's blatantly Alith Anar. I mean, warhammer batman.

Aren't there other god-like character in warhammer fantasy?

If I remember we had a power level of warhammer fantasy characters thread and nagash wasn't even on the top of the list for most people. That said nagash has rules and is a lord so I guess that's that.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Aren't there other god-like character in warhammer fantasy?

If I remember we had a power level of warhammer fantasy characters thread and nagash wasn't even on the top of the list for most people. That said nagash has rules and is a lord so I guess that's that.

Aenarion. Teclis. Kairos. Sigmar. Archaon. Grimgor(Technically)

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Aren't there other god-like character in warhammer fantasy?

If I remember we had a power level of warhammer fantasy characters thread and nagash wasn't even on the top of the list for most people. That said nagash has rules and is a lord so I guess that's that.

Aenarion. Teclis. Kairos. Sigmar. Archaon. Grimgor(Technically)

And Abhorash, don't forget him, I mean if you can take on an Emperor Dragon by yourself without needing magic to do it, that makes you a god in my book.
Then there is also Orion, Ariel, The Lady of the Lake and Be'Lakor too.

I mean...if Nagash's rules actually capture the comical level of power he supposedly had...he was going to cast a spell that animated everyone who had ever died ever as zombies. And then, since that's not enough, killed everyone ever and animated them as zombies, too.

But, that said, a lot of the literature behind characters is not done even remote justice by the numbers those characters are assigned.

Aside from Nagash, and maybe even in spite of him, my vote is still the Daemon Prince. He is tough, strong, fast, and has lots of magic. He is the overall best. Maybe character X can dish out more wounds, or can cast more spells, but the Prince ranges from very good to amazing in all areas.

Warpsolution wrote:
I mean...if Nagash's rules actually capture the comical level of power he supposedly had...he was going to cast a spell that animated everyone who had ever died ever as zombies. And then, since that's not enough, killed everyone ever and animated them as zombies, too.

But, that said, a lot of the literature behind characters is not done even remote justice by the numbers those characters are assigned.

Aside from Nagash, and maybe even in spite of him, my vote is still the Daemon Prince. He is tough, strong, fast, and has lots of magic. He is the overall best. Maybe character X can dish out more wounds, or can cast more spells, but the Prince ranges from very good to amazing in all areas.

The thing you have to take into this is the lore. If Nagash is T7 and can regain wounds, in addition to being able to store a power dice to gain the ability to clothesline anything to death, then he is by far the best, considering his statline.

It also depends on points levels. At anything less than 4k, everything I said is irrelevant. At less than 2k, everything you said about the demon prince is irrelevant.

 thedarkavenger wrote:
The thing you have to take into this is the lore. If Nagash is T7 and can regain wounds, in addition to being able to store a power dice to gain the ability to clothesline anything to death, then he is by far the best, considering his statline.

As I said: maybe. I don't know Nagash's rules are. That does sound pretty sweet, though.

 thedarkavenger wrote:
It also depends on points levels. At anything less than 4k, everything I said is irrelevant. At less than 2k, everything you said about the demon prince is irrelevant.

I think that's beside the point. The OP was asking what the best Lord was. If we're going to start considering the size of the game, sometimes the answer is none of them, because hey, I want to play a 239pt list. Which one is the best. It's a nice, broad question. Pretty sure the assumption that all our options are on the table is a safe one.

Warpsolution wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
The thing you have to take into this is the lore. If Nagash is T7 and can regain wounds, in addition to being able to store a power dice to gain the ability to clothesline anything to death, then he is by far the best, considering his statline.

As I said: maybe. I don't know Nagash's rules are. That does sound pretty sweet, though.

 thedarkavenger wrote:
It also depends on points levels. At anything less than 4k, everything I said is irrelevant. At less than 2k, everything you said about the demon prince is irrelevant.

I think that's beside the point. The OP was asking what the best Lord was. If we're going to start considering the size of the game, sometimes the answer is none of them, because hey, I want to play a 239pt list. Which one is the best. It's a nice, broad question. Pretty sure the assumption that all our options are on the table is a safe one.

The points level is completely within the point. As your lord slot will depend on the points level. At 2k, the Sorcerer Lord is far better than the Demon Prince, because you can tool him up more.

At 2.4k, the two are swapped. Because the tooled up prince has the capability to do more.

Which is the most kick ass Lord?

That's the name of the thread.

So, what's more kick-ass than a Daemon Prince in a 2000pt list? A Daemon Prince in a 2,400pt list, you say? Well, guess we answered that one.

And now that I've seen Nagash's rules...yeah. He wins. A tough-as-nails monster and a lvl5 Wizard with 9 spells? Yup. Winner.

Warpsolution wrote:
Which is the most kick ass Lord?

That's the name of the thread.

So, what's more kick-ass than a Daemon Prince in a 2000pt list? A Daemon Prince in a 2,400pt list, you say? Well, guess we answered that one.

And now that I've seen Nagash's rules...yeah. He wins. A tough-as-nails monster and a lvl5 Wizard with 9 spells? Yup. Winner.

If we look at a scale of awesomeness, it's not all uniform. Nagash wins hands down, when you can take him.

As does the demon prince, when you can take him.

BUT, and this is a big but, perhaps a but the size of a large country, the fact that you can't take them means they're kind of pointless, unless you set a level where you can take all characters.

This does include Nagash, Which makes him the most badass.

I love facing BotWD with my mono Slaanesh Daemons...

Movement wreck that giant block of white lions and then avoid it the entire game possible having to feed it a unit or 2 of chaff.

Then clear out the other 1000-1300 points of his army...

Of course its easier to do with mono slaanesh since you have almost exclusively M10 accross the board except your daemonettes which are 6 and 7

Back on topic...

Fully kitted out kipper is one of the bestliest lords in the game...(not counting special chars) Also one I didnt see mentioned is the Ramhorn Doombull

If we are counting special chars Nagash, maleketh, Morathi, and Archaon come to mind

 thedarkavenger wrote:
the fact that you can't take them means they're kind of pointless, unless you set a level where you can take all characters.

This does include Nagash, Which makes him the most badass.

In a thread that's asking "Which is the most kick ass Lord?", I think we're safe to assume that it is a comparison of, in fact, all the Lords.
"Which one kicks the most ass?"
"Well, guy A is awesome at 2,000pt games. But this guy B's better once you hit 2,200--"
"So guy B kicks more ass. Got it."

Warpsolution wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
the fact that you can't take them means they're kind of pointless, unless you set a level where you can take all characters.

This does include Nagash, Which makes him the most badass.

In a thread that's asking "Which is the most kick ass Lord?", I think we're safe to assume that it is a comparison of, in fact, all the Lords.
"Which one kicks the most ass?"
"Well, guy A is awesome at 2,000pt games. But this guy B's better once you hit 2,200--"
"So guy B kicks more ass. Got it."

Yes. But if it's at a point where you can't field Guy B, then Guy A is better, simply because he's usable.

But this is getting long and tiresome. Nagash wins anyway.

Clearly we have different opinions of what "which is the most bad ass Lord?" means.

Bt yes. Nagash wins. Hands-freakin'-down. Malekith and Archaon are probably pretty decent choices, too. Anyone who can fight, survive, and cast.
The Daemon Prince has to take a backseat to Malekith on his dragon, right? Better caster, better fighter. Not Unbreakable, but still extremely tough. Yeah?